Can You Play Ns From A Laptop?

ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I'm getting a new work one...</div> Can most new standard laptops run NS pretty well?

My boss has decided that we are going to replace my p2 300 at my desk with something new, and since I like to write code on the go, a laptop seems to make a certain amount of sense.

My biggest fear is in the video card, will I have to request a higher end VC, or will most laptops now-a-days have a decent enough card that NS will run without a problem.

I'm getting a docking station for the office and when I'm at home, I have my home PC, so I'll have a decent NS experience (keyboard/mouse/monitor wise) no matter where I am (that's the plan)...

Anyone have any experience they can share?
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  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    I was recently looking at cheap laptops (£800 or so) and they were more powerful in every way than my dated desktop which runs NS fine. I get drops in frame rate in some places but it's always playable.
  • UibertoUiberto Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2321Members
    I play using the touchpad.
  • KhaimKhaim Join Date: 2002-06-28 Member: 841Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I have a laptop, and I usually play NS on that, as opposed to my desktop. I sometimes have problems, but that's due to driver issues more so than the actuall laptop.
  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    the biggest problem you'll run into will be the frame rate

    generally laptop monitors are considerably worse than standard TFT/CRT monitors - the frame rate will probably be fairly poor

    plug it into a proper monitor for gaming, slap on a optical mouse, and it should be fine

    the top end laptops these days are about 3x faster than my main pc, and I play NS fine (ping allowing :X)
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    Excellent.. I was leaning away from one if I couldn't play NS...
  • bioshockbioshock Join Date: 2003-05-20 Member: 16538Members
    I play ns on a laptop... inspiron 4100, p3 1.2 gig, geforce 2 32 meg, 512 megs of ram and it runs pretty crappy I'd say. max of about 50 fps or so, and it gets worse with lower res for some reason, but it is pretty playable.
  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-bioshock+May 14 2004, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bioshock @ May 14 2004, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it runs pretty crappy I'd say. max of about 50 fps or so <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you have (almost) identical specs to my pc - i'm running a 1.3mhz 512 ram 32mb gfx

    I average 40-50 fps - don't know what you're complaining about haha
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    edited May 2004
    Can you plug a mouse into the laptop? Because if you can't, that's going to be problem number one. I hate those clit mouses some laptops have, and the touchpad is sketchy at best. Aiming will be hell on a laptop without a mouse. You'll be aiming by using your directional buttons. The second problem is going to be the monitor, since I think most laptops have LCD or LED or whatever flatscreens, and those will give you ghost images if you're swinging your viewpoint around wildly, like you would in a fast-paced FPS.

    Basically, you'll make a good gorge or a good distraction, but not a good anything else. You'll probably be running at some lower resolution on a crappy monitor with light glaring off the screen. If you have any aptitude for aiming now, prepare to kiss it goodbye. I know I certainly couldn't make the step down to playing on a laptop. Those things just aren't your best bet for playing the game. You CAN, but would you want to? I mean this isn't like tetris on your pocket calculator here.

    On the other hand, shiney new laptops are pretty sweet.
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    Theres mini mouses for laptops. Real cute <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    edited May 2004
    You might miss opengl effects (like texture filtering) but should not miss much performance in the hl engine, especialy not in low resolutions.
  • DecimatorDecimator Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8057Members
    edited May 2004
    After playing various halflife mods with friends at school on laptops, I'd have to say that you'd have absolutely no problem running ns on a newer laptop, older would give you some trouble though. As for the ghosting problem, it's nonexistent as far as I've seen.

    edit: get a optical mouse of some sort to go with it, they work very well on one's leg, or the arm of a chair, or whatever.
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Uiberto+May 14 2004, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uiberto @ May 14 2004, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I play using the touchpad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's pretty hardcore. I tried that once and only managed to make an idiot out of myself.
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    edited May 2004
    Well at the office I'll have a docking station so full 21" monitor, mouse and full keyboard...

    At home I'll use my pc.. so I don't think it's a problem..

    I was really just concerned with the video card.
  • NaxoNaxo Join Date: 2003-04-10 Member: 15385Members, Constellation
    HL is kinda old and laptop's gfx cards nowadays are sufficient, you can often find radeons 9800. The real problems with laptops are keyboard and screen, but since you've managed to fix it...
  • SalvationSalvation Join Date: 2003-11-21 Member: 23300Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Uiberto+May 14 2004, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uiberto @ May 14 2004, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I play using the touchpad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    h4|-|


    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    good luck on your buy, your boss not a <span style='color:white'>Search yourself a new all-purpose swearword, will ya?</span> and will not fire you for playing games during work....awesome <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    edited May 2004
    PC's are cheaper (if you have to care about that).
    PC's can be a lot more customized/new stuff added to.
    PC's don't have a small **** keyboard and a touchpad <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (not mine at least, and yes ofcourse you can plug in a keyboard and mouse @ the laptop)
    PC's are easier to cool so far as I've seen.
    CRT (not flatscreen) monitors give better graphics for FPS and other flashy stuff

    PS:
    I'm not used to laptops, so that may explain a lot >)
    (/me remembers the time he played Test Drive 1 with colors instead of orange/black....good old time were the games were ugly but fun)
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    I played NS for its first year on a PIII 700 MHz, 8 MB integrated video laptop and got about 15-20 fps so I just went gorge all the time and it was fun anyway.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You might miss opengl effects (like texture filtering) but should not miss much performance in the hl engine, especialy not in low resolutions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Why would he get a laptop without an openGL capable graphics card?
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I just got my laptop last week.

    Inspiron 5150, price paid? £0.

    SWEEEEEEEET. And yes, it eats NS alive, stomps on its corpse, laughs, then goes & has a meal while it waits for NS to recover.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    I want a free lap-top... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    if you move an optical mouse too quickly they go berzerk. so you can't use them for gaming if you have lightning reflexes or you'll end up looking in some random direction everytime you try to look around.
  • v4rAv4rA Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23672Members, Constellation
    My mother has one laptop, and really, ns there goes fine, but the tft isnt enough good. If you can accept the quality of the tft, then its fine, but ive always played on crt monitors and i assure you there is a big difference
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-ViPr+May 16 2004, 03:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ May 16 2004, 03:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you move an optical mouse too quickly they go berzerk. so you can't use them for gaming if you have lightning reflexes or you'll end up looking in some random direction everytime you try to look around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have been **** at my wireless optical mouse for a while, since it lags, it is frigging fast, but I don't have to clean it, and there is no wire.

    HAH fooled ya!

    There is a wire, for the loading station
    There is something too clean, your desk! (or where ever you use your mouse on)

    Where did I leave my ball mouse again...



    <edit>
    its wire not whire O.o
    </edit>
  • Turkey2Turkey2 Join Date: 2003-04-23 Member: 15766Members
    Biggest problem actually is hdd speed as most run incredibly slow. Now for a workstation laptop depending on what you do I think it could be justifiable to get a 7200 rpm model. All that really effects is load times for games though, which is annoying but not horiible. I used to play on a 1gig pIII with a geforce2go chipset. Yeah 40-50 fps was the average, but it was playable. It dipped alot though, but I would think a newer machine would handle it fine.
  • Turkey2Turkey2 Join Date: 2003-04-23 Member: 15766Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-ViPr+May 16 2004, 03:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ May 16 2004, 03:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you move an optical mouse too quickly they go berzerk. so you can't use them for gaming if you have lightning reflexes or you'll end up looking in some random direction everytime you try to look around. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Uhh utter lies check your mouse pad or whatever surface you are using, been using optical mice for gaming for years and not had a problem. It's all based on your sensitivity. I actually play with mine in the 30's with windows up most of the way on a logitech laser. Never had any of the problems you had.
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    edited May 2004
    I play NS on my laptop all the time. It has a 1.6gHz P4 and a radeon 7900. I spend about $1500 on it two years ago. Anything you get now will beat that.

    You can only get 60Hz (60fps, really) on most LCD screens, but that's not so bad. It's a little more straining on the eyes than 75 or 80.

    The biggest considerations are to get a USB mouse (the older kinds sometimes interfere with the touchpad. I'd have to disable the touchpad in my bios to use a PS2 mouse), and to actually use a cable instead of your wireless to hook in.

    You can actually get an "optical mousepad," but any surface with some texture will work fine. Glass works pretty awful.

    It's not hard to get a 7200RPM laptop drive anymore. It's well worth it.

    While I'm here, I'll give you this hint: get a laptop screen with a fairly low natural resolution! My 1600x1200 15" makes text TINY, or slightly blurry if I turn down the resolution. That's just how LCDs go...

    edit: oh, also you should definately get a laptop cooler if you're going to work it hard. The tiny fans it will come with suck, and heat buildup will shorten the life of your laptop. I have an Antec one (USB powered with pass-thru for my mouse), and it's as noisy as a freaking tornado but it keeps the laptop fairly cool. Even when it's not on, having the laptop elevated a bit improves the airflow and keeps it cooler. There are probably better ones, however.
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    Heheh, about the mouse thingie, I've hooked 3 mouses up to my pc, all working.
    -Trackball mouse
    -Ball mouse with cord
    -Cordless optical mouse

    Test results for ns:

    -Trackball mouse: EEEK I'm NOT used to it!
    -Ball mouse with cord: It's like the optical one, except it has the annoying cord, and its waaaay to dusty to play with
    -Cordless optical mouse: Teh Win, until the batteries run low, I shouldnt play all day ns btw <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    60hz on an LCD (laptop) is not straining on the eyes in the slightest.

    When a CRT (traditional monitor) updates, after each refresh, the screen begins to fade. This is why at low refresh rates, like 60hz, there is a visible flicker; the monitor has faded enough before the next refresh for you to notice it. This is also what causes the eye strain and headaches. On a CRT, this is solved by using a higher refresh rate, (72hz is generally considered flicker-free). If you go high enough, the screen doesn't fade enough between refreshes for your eye to notice.

    This is a total non-issue on an LCD. LCDs don't fade between updates, they just stay on whatever they're on until the next refresh. So 60hz on an LCD is more than fine. 60hz is enough for completely fluid movement.

    Now, back to the issue at hand, I've seen HL on some low-end laptops. Notably, I've seen it on a Dell Inspiron 1100, which I believe had an Intel Extreme Graphics processor (I don't think it had the Intel Extreme Graphics 2).

    I saw The Specialists running, and it ran ****-poor. At some points it was virtually unplayable, and NS is a hell of a lot more demanding than TS.

    I've also seen it running on a Toshiba laptop that had a Radeon 9000. That's pretty low-end, sub-GeForce3 I think. It ran silky smooth.

    So my advice? ANY kind of GPU from ATI or nVidia will do, ANY GeForce 2/4/FX Go or Radeon Mobility. Or, failing that, your absolute minimum should be an Intel Extreme Graphics 2. Not 1, <b>2</b>.
  • bioshockbioshock Join Date: 2003-05-20 Member: 16538Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+May 15 2004, 05:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ May 15 2004, 05:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well at the office I'll have a docking station so full 21" monitor, mouse and full keyboard...

    At home I'll use my pc.. so I don't think it's a problem..

    I was really just concerned with the video card. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    if you buy one of the newer dells you can get a geforce fx in it
  • RueRue Join Date: 2002-10-21 Member: 1564Members
    edited May 2004
    <a href='http://www.alienware.com' target='_blank'>www.alienware.com</a> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    One of my friends was boasting about how she spent ?1500 on a new dell latop, then I showed her alienware's site and she hit me cause I made her feel bad <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    If I wasnt a student and living away from home I'd probably get a <a href='http://www.alienware.co.uk/Configurator_Pages/area-51m.aspx?SysCode=PC-EU-LT-AREA51-M&SubCode=SKU-ENTHUSIAST' target='_blank'>laptop</a>(either that or I dont eat for a year :/)
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