Ns Beta 4a - Your Views

viper · May 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">unbalanced, combat gone crap?</div> First off, I've noticed the now slight unbalance in the new patch. I played a lot of games last night (classic) and saw marines winning 95% of the time.

Second off, combat. It is now complete rubbish. Aliens hardly win, and when they do it's because of a stupid time limit. What the hell was ol' charlie thinking when he put this in? It takes away the whole satisfaction factor of winning! I just find combat is now pointless, it's far too short for someone to be able to reach level 10 - although possible - and it's just NOT fun anymore. I heard the kinda things he was saying in the PT's, from a mate who was in them, about what he wants with combat, and they were not good. (Kinda like: loads of spawn camping - Flayras words: "looking good for release lads")

Well thats quite evident from whats happening to it. I used to enjoy combat, until the most recent changes. Could classic be heading the same way? I don't see why Flayra wants to make the games so short? Has he been influeneced by cs?

IMO long games on both classic and combat are loads of fun. It's why i've always loved NS, but i can see myself finding another game soon.

l3igD · May 2004

CO=Good.
NS=Good

Long co games where every is lvl10. How is this fun? You just kill each other over and over.. If you like this go find a server that sets the time limit to 999. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

viper · May 2004

I meant to put more emphasis on long classic game where the balance of power gets thrown from one team to another and everyone enjoys it. I was getting at these are a rarity now.

Combat games - ok long ones arent so fun but these are too short. Like i said the timelimit takes away the joy of winning.

l3igD · May 2004

I have played on servers where the time limit is set to 30mins+. Just found one of those servers.

Yea, Sometimes ns games clan be short.. I see long games (25+mins) just as much as short games. Maybe its just the servers your playing on? Each server is diffrent depending on the people who play there. Just goto random ones and find one you like.

kolokol · May 2004

Long games happen in ns when the teams are evenly matched. I played one of the best and most fun ns games ive ever had last night, it was a long game. The other was on 3.00, another long game and an absolute blast. If the game isn't long one team or the other has lost. The new maps do have something to do with this. Both the long games were on old maps which ar the simplest and still the best. Possibly with the exception of veil, though i don't like eclipse much any more.

viper · May 2004

i see what your all saying.i play on the yo-clan server mostly since the standard of play there is very high. it's just i've seen if the marines have a good commander alines are stuffed.

I've given up on combat completely now. And yes the new eclipse has lost its atmosphere. It's far too bright and very marine oriented - like metal.

napi · May 2004

best game ever... 5 hour marathon on hera in 1.04

commanded the whole thing :X

4 cups of coffee, 3 beers, and countless chocolate bars to keep me concentrated through it

marine win in the end.. that second hive was a pain in the backside to lock down <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Mintman · May 2004

I can't fault either too much now. I've found 4a combat the most fun it's ever been. I think there's a little tweaking to be done in classic, though I can't put my finger on what it is. It just doesn't quite feel right at the moment.

MindCrafter · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mintman @ May 4 2004, 09:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I can't fault either too much now. I've found 4a combat the most fun it's ever been. I think there's a little tweaking to be done in classic, though I can't put my finger on what it is. It just doesn't quite feel right at the moment. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i second that.

And i think that he means that the "long" games is much more than 25+
My longest game ever was on ns_tanith, it lasted for over 3 hours, i've never enjoyed a game so much before. (But that was in 2.01 though)
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> . . .. .. . .. . . <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' />

juggler · May 2004

I think it's good that combat has a time limit.

Yes, the new eclipse is WAY too bright, you can't even hide on the triad roof anymore <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

I also just a couple of days ago had a GREAT game. I was alien and the marines sieged hives at least 4 times. But there was allways a new one coming up <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />. And onii and fades dying but allways new ones popping out of eggs....

I think 4a is good, but the eclipse is too bright, gonna start a new topic about it

RoCkIn_RiCkY · May 2004

This is definitely the worst version yet. The small amount of people playing on servers shows that, most of the time there's a lot of new players who only play for Combat and can't be bothered to play classic NS. /sigh <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

Jared101 · May 2004

i think they made it brighter because most people would crank up gamma anyways,so now they just made it every has the sight"as if there gamme was cranked" without it looking nasty

and viper,i dont know whats wrong with you,in 3 i hated co,i would play it for about 7 min,then at 10min mark its all HA;s with Gls,and onos and fades,that would last about 20 minutes,then one non noob,would join,leech,then jp shotty rush hive,and gg

CO now actually takes SKILL,it envolves more than just leeching till you become a extremly long lifeform

..and a side not,i dont see what you all hate CS so much for,i dont play it anymore,but it is still a great game,dont be a **** just because you cant aim the damn AK

Outlaw · May 2004

I don't like 4a much at all. It seems that in 4 it was the aliens turn to win horribly in combat and have NS be fairly even. Now in 4a in NS nobody has the res to drop a tower at the beginning, so fewer will. Those that will need to wait several ticks before they have the res to do so (meaning lost res for the team)

On a server that uses a random plug-in (no matter which team you join, it puts you into random, to prevent stacking) Marines win unless they make a long series of mistakes. It doesn't matter how on top of things the aliens are, it just seems like an alien victory now depends on the marines not knowing what they are doing.

Megadeth · May 2004

need unlimited lerkflight back <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' />

v4rA · May 2004

NS is so balanced nowadays, that dont matter what happends, the best team work ( good individual players with teamplay). Its simply that

l3igD · May 2004

I think NS IS balanced...If it isnt balanced say why? Alot of people say it isn't balanced but they do not know why it isnt balanced. Its simple.. It IS balanced.. Maybe if your seeing marines win all the time.. Maybe no one on that server likes gorging. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /> you have to have a good comm and 1-2 good gorges to have a good even game.

wascally_wabbit · May 2004

Personally, I feel the problem with ns_ is that it's becoming more uncommon for aliens to actually play with second hive for more than 5 minutes, unless it's a complete marine rape match.

Unknown · May 2004

Combat is ok... could use a few changes though. 10 min seems a bit too short for me. Maybe 15 or 20 will help? (Never saw a marine team win in CO since b4 came out, and I've played lots of CO since then) I would also like it if fades only cost 1 point to get, but you have to go lerk first. So if I want to be a lerk for the first few min of the game, but then marines are starting to pull out the heavy weapons and armor, I want to be able to not die in a few seconds.

NS:C (Classic) needs a rush patch though. Putting 2+ res towers on a node is a very serious bug that really hurt the first version of NS (v1.03 was it?). Other than that, it seems pretty balanced to me.

Nemesis_Zero · May 2004

There's numerous such threads in <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=39' target='_blank'>Public Beta Discussion</a>. Please use one of them.

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