You Won't See These On The News...
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Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<div class="IPBDescription">Photos from Iraq</div> Linked by Matt of <a href='http://www.machall.com' target='_blank'>http://www.machall.com</a>. He says straight up he can't vouch for the source, but you'd have to have balls to claim these *aren't* of Iraq.
Not for the squeamish.
<a href='http://home.wi.rr.com/davef/iraq.htm' target='_blank'>http://home.wi.rr.com/davef/iraq.htm</a>
This is the kind of thing the administration doesn't want the American public to see. /:
Not for the squeamish.
<a href='http://home.wi.rr.com/davef/iraq.htm' target='_blank'>http://home.wi.rr.com/davef/iraq.htm</a>
This is the kind of thing the administration doesn't want the American public to see. /:
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I don't see what's so particularly terrifying or horrible about these. **** happens, and now it happens on camera.
That is what war is about. Death, killing, and destruction. I question my support of the war everytime I see a photo like that. It's hard to remember why we're fighting when confronted witih such visceral evidence.
One thing we should take note of is that we (most Americans) do not delight in these images of death and destruction. It's hard to face. Was the Arab world as sympathetic with images of the World Trade Center? I think not.
And yes, I know Iraq didn't attack on 9/11, but it is part of the terrorist infastructure that must be taken out... but that's a different topic.
Also, I'm pretty sure (not positive) those photos are from the Najaf/Falluja area where the majority of the fighting is. Such photos are not representitive of everything going on in Iraq.
Press of people dying makes war unpopular. However, the press exists to be, more than anything else, a watchdog for the government. They let the general public know just what is going on in the world.
I would stand to argue that they spend more time trying to censor domestic sources of unpleasantness such as Howard Stern than they do trying to censor pictures from Iraq.
Are you sure about that? Quite a few Americans revel in news of death and destruction in the Middle East, you can find some of them on this forum. Who is to say that the news clips of a few people cheering after 9/11 are representative of the entire Middle East? And furthermore, would that make those few Americans representative of our nation as well?
<span style='color:white'>Read the rules.</span>
What's the problem? The Sinclair Broadcast Group, which owns 8 ABC-airing stations, has pre-empted the broadcast, calling it an "anti-war political statement." Is it? Maybe. But it's also a respectful memorial for the dead. Frankly, if this kind of "liberal propaganda" offends SBC this much, they should drop ABC and just run the Fox News Channel. q: There's something wrong when major corporations think they can decide what I'm allowed to see.
John McCain, R-AZ, wrote in a letter to the CEO of Sinclair: "Your decision to deny your viewers an opportunity to be reminded of war's terrible costs, in all their heartbreaking detail, is a gross disservice to the public, and to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces. It is, in short, sir, unpatriotic. I hope it meets with the public opprobrium it most certainly deserves."
Conservatives accuse liberals who are anti-war of being unpatriotic. Liberals aren't unpatriotic. We love our country. We love our TROOPS. We love our troops so much, we'd be much happier if they were home safe instead of half a world away, dodging AK-47 fire and RPGs every day.
Programs like Nightline's and photographs of victims, coffins, and more serve a very real, very important purpose: they remind us that even on the other side of the world, even while we're sitting comfy in front of our computers and our TVs, war is still as horrific as it's always been.
also, its worth bearing in mind that most images we do see are from Baghdad, where most reporters are stationed (and also one of the few locations the coalition run a damn tight operation) so such images will not be representative of such places as Fallujah.
The reality is people just dont care, and its not hard to see why when 'news channels' like Fox will run with somthing like Micheal Jackson for 24 hours <b> solid </b> while people are losing their lives by the thousand or <a href='http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4894033/' target='_blank'>Being tortured in Baghdad Prisons</a>.
I really dont know (as I live in the UK), but do you see the major news stations over there running stories about the use of DP in explosive devices? or the use of bomblets? or any of the other really nasty (and incidentally illegal) stuff we do?
I guess its summed up by the old saying 'Ignorance is bliss'.
Second, communist i'm pretty sure you just wanted some attention with that remark. Here's your attention. Yes communist, the government is censoring the media to control the public to further their war aims. It's a conspiracy. We should all switch to communism. Etc. Etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hah. Agreed.
could it be cause im running firefox? (lol i jsut got it, so i dont know alot about it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins.
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some if the familys may not even want to see coffins you know....the pain could be unberable for them as they might remind them of lost loved ones...
Neither can I, it comes up blank for me.
Neither can I, it comes up blank for me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh jeez. Looks like the government struck AGAIN.
Curse you!!1~
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The families can, and that's the people that they're trying to respect.
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The families can, and that's the people that they're trying to respect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably not, unless they happen to have X-Ray vision.
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The families can, and that's the people that they're trying to respect. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably not, unless they happen to have X-Ray vision. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*smacks you*
In a shell-game sense numbnuts.
Stop.
What if I said that Liberals refuse to take differing opinions at face value because Liberals frequently speak with metaphorical anecdotes that are loaded with duplicitous meanings.
Words have significant meaning. Choose them wisely.
I grow tired of this incessantly unfounded generalization. If I see it in the future, I will report it without notice.
Hate the war. Hate Bush. Hate NeoCons. Hate Haliburton. Hate whatever you like all while loving your country. But do not become a tool for someone out to sell a few extra books.
What's the problem? The Sinclair Broadcast Group, which owns 8 ABC-airing stations, has pre-empted the broadcast, calling it an "anti-war political statement." Is it? Maybe. But it's also a respectful memorial for the dead. Frankly, if this kind of "liberal propaganda" offends SBC this much, they should drop ABC and just run the Fox News Channel. q: There's something wrong when major corporations think they can decide what I'm allowed to see.
John McCain, R-AZ, wrote in a letter to the CEO of Sinclair: "Your decision to deny your viewers an opportunity to be reminded of war's terrible costs, in all their heartbreaking detail, is a gross disservice to the public, and to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces. It is, in short, sir, unpatriotic. I hope it meets with the public opprobrium it most certainly deserves."
Conservatives accuse liberals who are anti-war of being unpatriotic. Liberals aren't unpatriotic. We love our country. We love our TROOPS. We love our troops so much, we'd be much happier if they were home safe instead of half a world away, dodging AK-47 fire and RPGs every day.
Programs like Nightline's and photographs of victims, coffins, and more serve a very real, very important purpose: they remind us that even on the other side of the world, even while we're sitting comfy in front of our computers and our TVs, war is still as horrific as it's always been. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
1st, who in Gods name is going to watch that, I respect our troops and keep them in my mind daily, but to be honest that sounds like a deliberate anti-war protest, not to mention bad TV. You know he’s going to screw some names up and the whole thing would just become a joke. Heck it might already be, did they air this yet? I don't watch the basic channels, they never have anything good on. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the bit about loving our troops, yes that’s all true, but why even have an army with that mentality. There is no draft, every one of those soldiers knew what they were going into when they signed up for it. I don't buy that "oh the poor kid needed the money for college" bull. If you’re joining the military solely to pay for college you’re joining it for the wrong reason. I myself am seriously considering joining the army, and I know what kind of a climate this world is in. If I was in Iraq now I wouldn't want people to be seeing pictures of my dead comrades, most of the soldiers in Iraq really seem to believe their doing a good thing. All this "censorship" is doing is making it easier for us to believe in what the troops are believing in, that their doing a good thing. If you want to harbor anti war feelings fine, you know what a dead body looks like, you know what soldiers look like, you have seen blood, tears, sweat, and you know the reality of what is happening in Iraq. Do you really need to see it, in your face 24/7? I'll put up with the Michel Jackson BS thank you.
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some if the familys may not even want to see coffins you know....the pain could be unberable for them as they might remind them of lost loved ones... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sure it would cause them pain. But it reminds us all as to just what the cost of war truly is. IMO it is important for all in the US to feel some degree of those families pain.
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some if the familys may not even want to see coffins you know....the pain could be unberable for them as they might remind them of lost loved ones... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sure it would cause them pain. But it reminds us all as to just what the cost of war truly is. IMO it is important for all in the US to feel some degree of those families pain. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We all get our dose of that. Local stations in Washington State have always reported on the losses of troops from our area. They always interview the families and put a blurb in the newspapers.
I personally think it's more respectful to only air this stuff to these families' immediate community than broadcasting such interviews nationwide.
I don't buy into that excuse. It's not like you can identify the soldiers in those coffins. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The families can, and that's the people that they're trying to respect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
IMO it is more respectful to allow images like that to be shown. It seems disrespectful to me to treat the fallen as some sort of "dirty secret".
Showing mangled bodies is one thing, but a flag-draped coffin shows how the dead are treated with honour for their sacrifice.
Trip at night they make.
The last journey they will take.
Our soul, it does shake.
those particular photos may have been hoaxed, but a report carried out by the army itself found evidence of things which go beyond cruel and into the realms of perverted and just plain sick, were going on in at least one Baghdad prison.
Point taken about some veiwers being too 'soft' to hear such things, and its certainly not on to broadcast such information while children might hear it, but theres a big difference between seeing, say, an Iraqi gunned down, and hearing the words 'Insurgents killed' (because lets face it, we never hear of civilian deaths over here, every civilian to die in Iraq was an insurgent as far as the news is concerned [there cant be a 'small number of insurgents' as were continuously told when there were somthing like 1300 Iraqis killed last month alone, were they all insurgents?]).