Co Builds

Thardin · March 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Rate that Co Build!</div> I've never played in a clan match and so have had to play with many pubbies, pubbies that you need to co-operate with but be self-sufficent as they are very unreliable and thusly made this build, as I perfere living longer and contributing to the team.

Armor 1
Weapon 1
Shotty
HMG
Armor 2
Save
HA
Welder
Resupply

Armor 1 first is for focus rushers and can be alternated with weapons if you desperately want an early shotty.

The welder makes it so you can make people live MUCH longer then normal and to repair CC, resupply and if someone else has welder = invincible like HA.

HMG is all purpose, better then GL for HA useage (HA = slow tank that absorbs damage)

Also, its good to have 'meatshields' when you or another pubbie only get HA, the only bad part of this strategy is lack of another welder or a lot of onos.

Phin · March 2004

2. Welder
3. Armour 1
4. Resupply
5. Weapon 1
6. Shotgun
7. Weapon 2
8. Armour 2
9-10. Either save for HA or get MT + Wep3.

If I'm playing in a team with good coopertation then I'll always get a welder first, keeps them alive for much longer, especially if they have resupply. If I'm in a pub I usually don't bother, as noone stands still while you try to weld them and they usualy won't cover you effectively when they do. I'll usualy just get mines or cat packs instead.

The rest doesn't really need explanation.

stooopid · March 2004

Armor 1
Resupply (because humping the armory wastes precious time in the early game)
Damage 1
Shotgun
Armor 2
HMG (ownage)
Save
JP
Damage 2

jp is the way...

Fro5ty · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (stooopid @ Mar 23 2004, 12:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Armor 1
Resupply (because humping the armory wastes precious time in the early game)
Damage 1
Shotgun
Armor 2
HMG (ownage)
Save
JP
Damage 2

jp is the way...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Dunno bout you, but the starting ammo with most guns is enough to get me by. I usually die before I ever use the entire starting ammo with the LMG and pistol. The times I pull out my knife are the close skulks that it will work on. Usually one slash will kill them. If it doesn't, they will keep their distance and give me enough room to use the last ten shots in my LMG usually. I have it where I stop shooting my LMG and switch to another weapon. I've got a many retreating skulks becuase they thought I was outta ammo.

And yes, HMG does equal ownage. People that complain GLs haven't played against me on a good day with an HMG.

Doobie_Dan · March 2004

Frost: Agreed, resupply is most useful for late game when the armory is kaputt. Unless you're obsessed with K/D ratio (which isn't important) you don't really need resupply until level 8 or so, unless you're sitting in base nade spamming. I usually get mines first and then armor 1 - which are both anti skulk-rush. When I run out of ammo, I run into their hive (knife in hand) and die, and when I respawn, I've got full ammo and an extra mine.

Resupply is an absolute must for JPs or GLs though - JPs need those medpacks as they typically get one bite from time to time.

stooopid · March 2004

While its true that resupply is usually only needed for late game and heavy weapons, I find myself on the rush in the early game while the enemy is weak. The purpose of the Armor 1 is to keep you alive from one bite, then resupply restores your health, permitting you to press home the attack.

I play expressly on pubs, so welders are (sadly) not common.

About the mines, I'd agree they are useful and lots of fun. Especially when aliens get it in their head that they can rush with impunity. Nothing settles them like having their limbs torn off by mines. Wonderful.

Fro5ty · March 2004

Yeah, I like mines occasionally too. Place on mid hallway, pull out my knife and just knife. The stupid skulks rush, thinking that I won't be able to draw my gun fast enough. What is even funnier is doing that, having another mine behind you and fallin back to that while the next skulks rush. They can't see through the explosions that well not to mention they want to rush me quickly while I still have my knife out. >: D I've had one game where the same guy did this three times before wising up. Then I started putting it behind me and pressing jump and back when he bit me. He'd land on the mine and die. Eventually he caught on and got someone else to rush me.

Myomer · March 2004

lately i've been goin

armor 1, or weapon one if i've taken damage
weapon 1
weapon 2
weapon 3
welder
shotty
armor 2
heavy if i've got a buddy, if not then

resupply
armor 3

Preclude · March 2004

armor 1
wepon 1
shotty
resupply
armor 2
save
jp
wepon 2
wepon 3; hmg; (mostlikely wepon 3 because lv3 shottie pwns the hive)

Reasons why:
L1 armor fixes the focus rushers (focus is aliens 1st upgrade, period)
shotty next is just sexy because lv1 shottie has alot of power
resupply because it saves alot of valuble time and it makes you live 200% longer
JP because JP is the way to go
I get the the hmg or the lv3 depending on my mood or the amount of skulks ingame.

Calldown · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Preclude @ Mar 25 2004, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Reasons why:
L1 armor fixes the focus rushers (focus is aliens 1st upgrade, period)
shotty next is just sexy because lv1 shottie has alot of power
resupply because it saves alot of valuble time and it makes you live 200% longer
JP because JP is the way to go
I get the the hmg or the lv3 depending on my mood or the amount of skulks ingame.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I laugh at lvl 1 shotty. Honestly, get the weapon upgrades - lvl 2 - 3 lmg will let you take down many more skulks easier.

-calldown

Fro5ty · March 2004

Not to mention that LMG fires at a further range than SG, easier to aim and easier to blast through umbra with. Not to mention smart skulks rush carapace and leap first. They become harder to hit and a lot tougher.

lagger · March 2004

I dont know about you but I ushally get. - This works the best at least for me.

weapons 1
shotty
armor 1
resupply
armor 2
jetpack
weapons 2
weapons 3

*U can get a welder instead of weapons 3 if needed*

Kobayashi · March 2004

heh... so much anti-focus.... I personally don't care.. I'd rather just kill them before they can get to me. Yes, that means you have to play smart and use the long corridors, camp them out, or *gasp* work as a team and use your teammates as a meat shield =P.

lvl 1 gun
shottie
hmg (absolute ownage when you get it this early)
lvl 1 armour
lvl 2 armour
save
HA/JP (map dependant)

Then, if I got HA:
welder
resupply/lvl 2 guns

If I got JP:
resupply
lvl 2 guns

or, if i feel like gl spamming
lvl 1 gun
shottie
gl
resupply
lvl 1 armour
lvl 2 armour
save
JP
lvl 2 guns

FoolishOne9k · March 2004

Personally i got for my shotgun early on

wep 1
shotgun
resupply (cause i need the ammo by then)
armor 1
armor 2
JP (w00t w00t)
wep 2
OPEN

this build allows you to hit hard and stay alive and keep a slot open for welder/mines/etc...
I've singlehandedly sluaghtered hives with this build cause jp pwns hives cause those fades and onos cant hit you and lerks have problems with you and the shotgun just rips hives apart.
Sometimes i get mines cause portable platforms are fun. make a little ledge and jump onto it and sit and guard spawn early on. Skulks will just rush you and if you dont kill them before they get close enough the mines prox effect will jsut blow up in their face keeping you alive a bit longer and giving you a easy kill.
Or ive had mines save me form falling into that ono's open mouth by quickly getting next to a wall and deploying it under me. try it it works <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Fro5ty · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Mar 28 2004, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> heh... so much anti-focus.... I personally don't care.. I'd rather just kill them before they can get to me. Yes, that means you have to play smart and use the long corridors, camp them out, or *gasp* work as a team and use your teammates as a meat shield =P.

lvl 1 gun
shottie
hmg (absolute ownage when you get it this early)
lvl 1 armour
lvl 2 armour
save
HA/JP (map dependant)

Then, if I got HA:
welder
resupply/lvl 2 guns

If I got JP:
resupply
lvl 2 guns

or, if i feel like gl spamming
lvl 1 gun
shottie
gl
resupply
lvl 1 armour
lvl 2 armour
save
JP
lvl 2 guns  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You need those of us that get A1 first to be the meat sheilds. Otherwise that one skulk rips through several before you kill it, making it counter productive. I still don't understand people getting rid of LMG so early... It's a fregging killing machine and you should be 1337 at it since you use it 90% of your marine life.

Kobayashi · March 2004

Lol, yeah, which is why I always follow people out of base ^_^

And hmg = lmg with double teh damage and 2.5x the clip size... I'll take the hmg, thank you.

Calldown · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Mar 29 2004, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Lol, yeah, which is why I always follow people out of base ^_^

And hmg = lmg with double teh damage and 2.5x the clip size... I'll take the hmg, thank you.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
and like half the range and double the spread and three times to reload time.

-calldown

Kobayashi · March 2004

okay... so if teh hmg sucks so much. why the heck does it cost more than an lmg? hmmm?

sheesh...

half the range - what? do hmg bullets suddenly stop halfway or something? wow... your hmg must be really screwed up..

more spread - okay... so maybe 2/3 of the bullets hit SKULKS... Iounno.. I actually LIKE spread when I'm fighting skulks that tend to leap. If you can't hit fades and onos practically 100% of the time - I never want to be on a team with you. and lerks. They move to quickly to actually track properly with a pistol or lmg. HMGs slaughter lerks meanwhile.

three times teh reload time - you'll never run outta ammo though. if you have to reload in the middle of a firefight, you're probably fighting a lost battle. anyways.. I'd rather fire off 2.5x teh clip and THEN reload rather than having to reload after a short spurt. ANY reload time is already too long.

if you rather take teh lmg and fight, go ahead and die thousands of times againt onos and fades and lerks.

P.S. I wonder why hmgs kill many, many more aliens than lmgs do...?

NGE · March 2004

HMG is better than LMG, but a focus skulk is better than an unarmored rine.

Let us assume you're leveling up at the same speed as the skulk.

Both of you reach lv. 2.

You get weps 1.
They get focus.

Guess what?

They still die in 9 shots, as if you didn't have any upgrades.
You die in one bite now.

Kobayashi · March 2004

so? I son't really think focus it that dangerous until they get leap as well, and then you have a shottie. Which means it's quite even.

edit:: if they get close enough to bite you, your usually screwed anyways.

Thardin · April 2004

The point to rush Armor 1 is that if you are being spawn camped you can win it for your team. I shall explain.

-Team dies to 1-2 focus skulks.....(this actually happens a lot in 6v6)
-2 people spawn......-dead-
-You spawn, you now jump around like a drug addict, kill 1 skulk with aim (50 LMG bullets!) you will get hit once, but take the precious time focus gives and finish the skulk(s)!
-Even if you die 2 marines should respawn even as your screen blackens.
-Not guariteed, Armor 1 also makes it so you can keep from dieing so you can save the MS room when it's being camped.

Unless you have Matrix reflexes when you spawn and the skulks don't have celerity to screw hitboxes when shotties shoot them then by all means get shotty.

(Its a good idea to aim at the nose of the skulk with a shotty so their hitbox screws them over)

MrKNifey · April 2004

Hmmm......

Resupply
Armor 1
Armor 2
JP
Weapon 1
Shotgun, or not if I'm feeling bored
GL
<insert upgrade here>

I've gone entire CO games using nothing but a freakin Level 0 LMG......and all those focus users can't touch me, and they're all but useless for killing the CC, they're too slow and don't do enough damage fast enough unless there's like 5 of them, and if there's 5, we've lost anyway.

I don't see what's so special about the shotgun anyway, except when the fades come, I prefer getting more defensive upgrades, and both HMG or shotgun slow you down if you don't have a JP.

CombatJoe · April 2004

Armor 1. first everytime, period. <--- a period
Weapon 1
Shotgun
Armor 2

JP or HA

If i go JP, the last 3 points are
resuply
Weapon 2
Weapon 3

If i go HA, the last 3 points are
HMG
Weapon 2
Welder

If our team has a shortage of GLs, i'l trade weapon3 for the GL as a JPer

But yeah... armor1 first everytime.
Think of it this way, you're only delaying getting that shotgun by ONE level.
If you try for shotgun first, you're delaying getting armor one by TWO levels.

don't try to convince me that getting a shotgun 1 level earlier lets you rape everything, you NEED that armor to avoid getting raped yourself. everytime a focus skulks chomps you for an easy kill you're feeding the alien team.

It takes two levels to get the shotgun asap, assume the skulk has two levels, he probably has leap and focus. As alien, i like to leap to the side of the marine and a little behind him, since leaping right at him gives me a shell in the mouth. if i survived the leap to his side and behind, i might leap again toward his front, chances are, the marine has spun around in confusion looking for me and i'm behind him. the end result is, a good alien with leap and focus will rape a marine with a shotgun and stock armor.

unless you're planning on using teammates as bait (i hope that's not the only way you can get kills), armor1 is the way to go.

bottom line, armor1 first ladies.

ThE_HeRo · April 2004

I like:

MT / Resupply / Wep 1
Wep 1
Wep 2
Wep 3
Amr 1
Shotgun
Amr 2
Save
Jetpack

Cheese · April 2004

And another one of these topics...people post in here their favourite combination without reading the combs of the other people...
personally i wouldn´t read them either...cause i like my combination (which i wont post right here) best!

Outlaw · April 2004

Although it's usually best to get armor 1, if you can grab a quick HMG and ambush a group of skulks (like on co_core) you can rack up about 5 kills real quick and probably get 2 levels in a hurry. Generally though, it's best to get armor first and then other stuff.

Or rush mines and be happy about dieing a lot.

Cheese · April 2004

lol what did i say...

SageGaspar · April 2004

Hehe, I'm a greedy damage**** so lately I've been going Super LA:

W1
Shotgun
HMG
W2
W3
A1
Resupply
A2
A3

You'll note there's one missing. If I feel uppity I'll take cat packs, otherwise I'll get a welder, MT, sweep, or something else. I'm perfectly willing to postpone W2 and W3 until later if the case warrants it, but without my h em gee I'm nekkid :/

keep_it_Gangsta · April 2004

I go

1. Weapon 1
2. Shotgun
3. Armour 1
4. Armour 2
5. Save
5. Heavy Armour
6. Weapon 2
7. Weapons 3
8. Armour 3
and maybe a welder after

I dont bother with bullshicht, I just go for the power upgrades!

silverace · April 2004

I actually HAVE read all the above combos <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> ... and here's mine.

weap1
shottie
HMG
Armor1
Armor2
HA
weap2
weap3

Plain and simple. heavy armor + HMG kicks ****. The only aliens it has problems with are the Onos and xeno-skulks(but HA that is mostly undamaged will still survive a suicide attack), but massed HMG's or GL support will solve that problem (there's always a few ppl with GL's in public hubs).

I agree that armor 1 can be useful as the first upgrade to get, but I prefer to tech to HMG instead. Why? Because in order to level up, you need to make kills. And therefore the first upgrades i get are the ones that allow me to kill more efficiently. Once I get to HMG, I can rack up the kills, very quickly tech up to HA, and become a huge headache for aliens. Not to mention that the lerk's annoying poison cloud thingy has absolutely no affect on marines with HA.

Someone mentioned earlier that welders are sadly absent from pubs, which I have found to be untrue. Especially if the game lasts long enough for you to get HA, there's always someone with a welder to keep you alive.

maverick651 · April 2004

Depending on the map, I go with JP or heavy, if the maps are very open/decent vent system, I get a JP. Rarely do I go with heavy, as they are onos food. I've played a couple of CO games where there were a ton of "super skulks," and our entire marine team got heavies and the alien team was just like "well #@%^" cause they all had maxed out on level 10 skulk upgrades. Maybe I'm just lucky, but the server I tend to be regular at usually has at least one weilder guy, I've been it a few times.

Its good to communicate (I know teamwork is unheard of in CO, but none the less) and ask if anyone has/planning on getting a weilder. It's worked for my teams.

More or less, my upgrades are as follows (usually in this order too):
lv1 armor
lv2 armor
lv1 damage
shotgun
lv2 damage
resupply
jetpack
lv3 damage OR HMG OR Weilder(depends on facing superskulks or onos, or if there are no other weilders)

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