Ns Can Be Interpreted As Capitalism Vs. Communism?
Mantrid
Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Probably been discussed before...</div> I was thinking about this, and its probably been done before, but even if it has, there are new people with new opinions.
Is it valid to think of NS in some aspects to be Communism vs. Capitalism? I'm fairly sure that wasn't the developer's intent, but it can be though of this way.
The Frontiersmen represent Communism because...
They all follow one leader (the Commander) and obey his will.
The one leader decides who gets what and for what purpose.
They don't have their own "currency" (i.e., Resources), but instead it is shared with all.
The Kharra represent Capitalism because...
They each follow their own individual desires.
They aspire to whatever they wish.
They control their own means to achieve their ends (personal Resources).
They can build their own miniture empire (Gorge fortresses, WoL's, et cetera).
Through careful "spending", they can become a powerful force (through Evolving).
Thoughts?
Is it valid to think of NS in some aspects to be Communism vs. Capitalism? I'm fairly sure that wasn't the developer's intent, but it can be though of this way.
The Frontiersmen represent Communism because...
They all follow one leader (the Commander) and obey his will.
The one leader decides who gets what and for what purpose.
They don't have their own "currency" (i.e., Resources), but instead it is shared with all.
The Kharra represent Capitalism because...
They each follow their own individual desires.
They aspire to whatever they wish.
They control their own means to achieve their ends (personal Resources).
They can build their own miniture empire (Gorge fortresses, WoL's, et cetera).
Through careful "spending", they can become a powerful force (through Evolving).
Thoughts?
Comments
<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
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You owned that guy!
Except for the fact that you're completely wrong. Communism does include leaders.
Like that Stalin guy and his eye-beam lasers.
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Don't know what history you studied, but a Communist govenment has a leader.
For example, Communist Russia during World War II were lead by Stalin. Heck, China is Communist right now and they have a leader.
though not meant to maybe, they have a huge difference in one another <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Russia and China never really went all the way. They sort of stopped at some form of extreme capitalism, where one person owned everything and therefor had the power. They never continued with the final step which was to distribute the resources and disband the government. I'm fairly sure Marx turn in his grave every time someone say that Russia was a communism.
Either way, yes, it's been discussed before. I wouldn't get my hopes up about this thread, as it will inevitably be closed within a not-so-distant future.
What China and Russia represented was socialism.
Communism would work fine in a perfect world, but in reality, the human race has it's lazy buggers & it's greedy buggers, meaning Communism would never be accepted by all.
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You owned that guy!
Except for the fact that you're completely wrong. Communism does include leaders.
Like that Stalin guy and his eye-beam lasers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh...the ideaology has no leadership. It means to commune. One for all all for one. Like a hive mentallity almost...hmm
What you are referring to is a spit in the face to communism. Stalinism. Dictators are evil kthx.
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Don't know what history you studied, but a Communist govenment has a leader.
For example, Communist Russia during World War II were lead by Stalin. Heck, China is Communist right now and they have a leader. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahem!:
Communism in its true form has _no_ leaders. It is described as the transfer from the ultimate capitalism(where one person owns everything) to communism. In this form, noone owns anything, but shares everything. With no ownage( <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) , you get no power, as theres nothing to threat with nor anything to gain from personal archievemnets. With no power, we get no leaders.
Soviet, China, Cuba etc. are not communisms, rather dictatorships following the communism ideals(more or less).
I just had to get it off my chest...
*points finger*
But I wouldn't call the marines capitalists either. Monarcy.
Communism is fun. But not possible in our world. Perhaps we all get more civilised in the future.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I got here before lock! yay!</span>
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<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
moron. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't know what history you studied, but a Communist govenment has a leader.
For example, Communist Russia during World War II were lead by Stalin. Heck, China is Communist right now and they have a leader. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
pffft china is not communist.
It has more of a resemblance to Capitalism than most western European countries.
I can't even say they are socialist! The real socialist contries are the Scandanavian countries where they tax lots but almost every public ammenity is free.
PS: I am chinese
<lil john><b><i>huh-what?!?!</b></i></lil john>
However, as nice as communism seems to be at the outset (even socialism with a benevolent and moral leader for that matter), the idea is naive to think that everyone will play along. It can really only work best in very small communities... if not smaller. These principles are usually found in small groups like athletic teams, development teams, management teams. Even in these cases you can turn up a rotten apple though.
Like mentioned earlier, communism is the perfect solution for a perfect world... but then you add the human race to the picture and it is all bunk.
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Dictatorship being the marines, and socialism being the aliens.
As HAMBONE pointed, aliens are socialists, and take a close look at any military installation today, it's done with dicatorship principles and the such.
Now, the real question is this:
- What kind of dictatorship are the marines? I'd say it resembles more of a Facist dictatorship, with the racism being against the aliens? lol who knows.
Dosen't all army have a commander leading it's troops?? You can say that it was a joke for the American to get rid of Communist people in their country, but actually their army is running in communism ideals with a leader?
really why put ns into politics. it was a meant to be enjoyed
and also as mention befored, why the symbolism in everything
- What kind of dictatorship are the marines? I'd say it resembles more of a Facist dictatorship, with the racism being against the aliens? lol who knows. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL.
pffft china is not communist.
It has more of a resemblance to Capitalism than most western European countries.
I can't even say they are socialist! The real socialist contries are the Scandanavian countries where they tax lots but almost every public ammenity is free.
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!?!?!?
My GCSE history just became contradicted 50 times by the first page of this topic.
"China and Cuba are the only 2 remaining Capitalist states". :S
Would I be right in saying China just does not think it's communist? *Cough* Propagand / censorship / Taiwan *cough*.
Acutally, if I include the word "Taiwan" or "Capitalist" doesn't that prevent any chinese ISP from loading the page? I read somewhere that all ISPs must router connections though a massive Government Proxy Server. :o
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I think this is an interesting comparasion; boo to the "NS is a game, ****" people.
Commanders are the perfect dictators, I mean, they control *health*!
And for anyone who does not follow this political mumbo-jumbo, here's the Cow Politics page I finally found:
<a href='http://www.tysknews.com/LiteStuff/cow_politics.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.tysknews.com/LiteStuff/cow_politics.htm</a>
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the government is buffing about the restcted site, actually there is no restriction except postin chinese government sensitive info
china now adays is different not to much restrictions.
Also There is a lot of different communist state, eventhough china are using some capitalistic ideas, they are still communist. Capitalist ideas are just ideas