Give me a hug
OttoDestruct
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<div class="IPBDescription">I need it</div>I'm not gonna make a huge wall of text, nor spill out every insignificant detail.
I am suffering from mental depression, anxiety attacks, and various other things.
It's been going on for years, and today I finally manned the hell up and decided to 1) email my parents, and 2) commit myself to some help.
Give me a hug, I feel good and pretty crappy at the same time.
I am suffering from mental depression, anxiety attacks, and various other things.
It's been going on for years, and today I finally manned the hell up and decided to 1) email my parents, and 2) commit myself to some help.
Give me a hug, I feel good and pretty crappy at the same time.
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Also e-mailing parents? Phone them up and talk to them about it because they are sure as hell going to be worried.
I've tried prescription drugs and they didn't help me but I don't necessarily not believe in them. What helped me most was family + friends + sucking it up and putting my life in order. being unemployed is what made me the most depressed. gotta feel useful and productive to stay happy I think.
Best of luck.
Admitting it is good but doesn't telling and announcing it to everyone on the forums just give in to the attention seeking that you crave?
Also e-mailing parents? Phone them up and talk to them about it because they are sure as hell going to be worried.
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I don't have a good relationship with my parents to say the least. The fact that I talked to them at all is remarkable, let alone admit this.
Thanks everyone. Also, sorry if it seems like I was just attention-whoring, that was not my intent.
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Whatever you do, <b>stay away from prescription medicine</b>. I would be 1000x more hesitant to recommend prescription drugs than illegal drugs. Jesus christ if you get put on anything, research it thoroughly and don't be afraid to tell the quack "NO".
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I've read enough posts by people on SA to know to stay the hell away from head meds.
I don't have a good relationship with my parents to say the least. The fact that I talked to them at all is remarkable, let alone admit this.
Thanks everyone. Also, sorry if it seems like I was just attention-whoring, that was not my intent.
I've read enough posts by people on SA to know to stay the hell away from head meds.
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Hey you're looking for support mainly, I was just in a grumpy mood at the time.
Serotonin inhibitors I assume you mean by medication? Nothing wrong with them, it's the prozac related ones you have to look out for which are the "special circumstances" ones.
Take them for a month, if you feel suicidal don't touch them ever again. Otherwise they will probably help somewhat so don't knock it until you've tried it, especially if you don't believe you'll get that much better on your own.
Seriously though, I know how you feel, people get especially depressed around holiday times (weather/family/everyone enjoying themselves while your a struggling college student).
I hit the bars, or play my bass guitar when I'm feeling depressed.
In regards to medication, I took Lamictal for a while, it helped me.
Don't listen to anyone online when it comes to advice on treatment for depression, because if they were any good at it they would be making money.
Anyway, get to feeling better dude. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
TO THE MITTENMOBILE!!!!
ps: internet huggles!
MITTENS FOR OTTO.
ps: internet huggles!
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I don't swing that way. At least not for mages. Catfjord maybe.
Whatever you do, <b>stay away from prescription medicine</b>. I would be 1000x more hesitant to recommend prescription drugs than illegal drugs. Jesus christ if you get put on anything, research it thoroughly and don't be afraid to tell the quack "NO".
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This x100. In addition, if you can't really find any good information on any medication, chances are you're a guinea pig for it. So yeah, no. Winners don't use drugs <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
*hugs*
This x100. In addition, if you can't really find any good information on any medication, chances are you're a guinea pig for it. So yeah, no. Winners don't use drugs <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
*hugs*
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Winners don't use drugs pushed on them by drug peddling quacks, they use whatever drugs they goddamn want <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
This x100. In addition, if you can't really find any good information on any medication, chances are you're a guinea pig for it. So yeah, no. Winners don't use drugs <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
*hugs*
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OK, you know how many people die each year from people saying exactly what you said now?
OK, you know how many people die each year from people saying exactly what you said now?
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An insignificant number, especially in comparison to those who die each year from car crashes, lung cancer, liver disease, or even people who use prescription medicine?
Give me some statistics, I'd love to find out how close I was.
An insignificant number, especially in comparison to those who die each year from car crashes, lung cancer, liver disease, or even people who use prescription medicine?
Give me some statistics, I'd love to find out how close I was.
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No matter what statistic I post it wouldn't satisfy you.
Regardless, don't give medical advice unless your a ...you know...medical professional who has been certified by some academic institution centered in psychotherapy.
Also, there's enough suicides each year to warrant me telling you not to give medical advice unless it's A. common knowledge B. sensible. Telling someone not to take medication is not only dangerous but completely arrogant. Especially when you assume things like "drugs not solving the problem.
No matter what statistic I post it wouldn't satisfy you.
Regardless, don't give medical advice unless your a ...you know...medical professional who has been certified by some academic institution centered in psychotherapy.
Also, there's enough suicides each year to warrant me telling you not to give medical advice unless it's A. common knowledge B. sensible. Telling someone not to take medication is not only dangerous but completely arrogant. Especially when you assume things like "drugs not solving the problem.
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I was being sarcastic about the statistics, for hopefully obvious reasons. It was quite a scathing remark, I'm a bit disappointed you didn't get it -- nevertheless, we move on.
I can give whatever advice I want, medical or not. It's up to him to decide what advice to take and what to ignore. It wasn't bad advice either, and definitely worth mentioning considering how much unconscious abuse of prescription medicine occurs [especially in America, where I assume he is located]. Also, doctors are the number one cause of unethical or shoddy prescriptions, and that's not quite the logical fallacy you think -- it happens shockingly often. [Feel free not to demand statistics here, either.]
Yes, there are a lot of suicides. However, in typical and clinical depression [ignoring manic depression etc], the prescription of antidepressants raises the frequency of suicide among those suffering from depression. To clarify, those suffering from depression often develop the nerve to finally commit suicide after being put on antidepressants.
And yes, it is good advice. Prescription medicines aren't "safe" just because they've obtained a current government safety check. There is still an incredible potential for abuse and danger within the consumption of the drug itself, in any frequency - no two people are alike, drugs affect everybody differently. If we had responsible and ethical drug education, more people would be aware of that instead of developing this absurd notion that legal drugs are fundamentally safe and illegal drugs aren't.
I can predict your answer -- that is why they're prescription drugs, because trained professionals are prescribing them to patients on a case by case basis. However, I need only mention two prescription drugs to completely destroy that argument in relation to common, 'popular' disorders such as depression: Ritalin and Roaccutane.
And if you'll check, the advice I gave wasn't "don't take medicine", it was "<i>if you get put on anything, research it thoroughly and don't be afraid to tell the quack "NO".</i>" Feel free to continue misrepresenting my arguments though.
Your turn!
I was being sarcastic about the statistics, for hopefully obvious reasons. It was quite a scathing remark, I'm a bit disappointed you didn't get it -- nevertheless, we move on.
I can give whatever advice I want, medical or not. It's up to him to decide what advice to take and what to ignore. It wasn't bad advice either, and definitely worth mentioning considering how much unconscious abuse of prescription medicine occurs [especially in America, where I assume he is located]. Also, doctors are the number one cause of unethical or shoddy prescriptions, and that's not quite the logical fallacy you think -- it happens shockingly often. [Feel free not to demand statistics here, either.]
Yes, there are a lot of suicides. However, in typical and clinical depression [ignoring manic depression etc], the prescription of antidepressants raises the frequency of suicide among those suffering from depression. To clarify, those suffering from depression often develop the nerve to finally commit suicide after being put on antidepressants.
And yes, it is good advice. Prescription medicines aren't "safe" just because they've obtained a current government safety check. There is still an incredible potential for abuse and danger within the consumption of the drug itself, in any frequency - no two people are alike, drugs affect everybody differently. If we had responsible and ethical drug education, more people would be aware of that instead of developing this absurd notion that legal drugs are fundamentally safe and illegal drugs aren't.
I can predict your answer -- that is why they're prescription drugs, because trained professionals are prescribing them to patients on a case by case basis. However, I need only mention two prescription drugs to completely destroy that argument in relation to common, 'popular' disorders such as depression: Ritalin and Roaccutane.
And if you'll check, the advice I gave wasn't "don't take medicine", it was "<i>if you get put on anything, research it thoroughly and don't be afraid to tell the quack "NO".</i>" Feel free to continue misrepresenting my arguments though.
Your turn!
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No, actually, I don't want to make a rebuttal, you already pointed out the following.
1. You see psychologists as "quacks"
2. You explained that depression is serious business. But likewise, your no better then scientologist when it comes to neuromedicine. Therefore when someone goes to help it's best that they go to a trained, licensed professional for help. Telling someone that these people are "quacks" you endanger their lives.
3. It's nearly impossible to find out who is a "quack". Likewise, I doubt you would have any experience with pointing out which one which.
4. It's better to see a medical professional then seek medical advice from a gaming forum (nothing against Natural Selection, but last time I checked some of you were putting butter, on a burn).
OK, you know how many people die each year from people saying exactly what you said now?
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I'm assuming you're referring to "winners don't use drugs."
I meant that in relation to my post. Maybe I should put the obvious ending on it for you. "Winners don't use drugs that haven't been tested on humans before, and winners also do not use drugs without finding out exactly how it will effect their mental processes."
No, actually, I don't want to make a rebuttal, you already pointed out the following.
1. You see psychologists as "quacks"
2. You explained that depression is serious business. But likewise, your no better then scientologist when it comes to neuromedicine. Therefore when someone goes to help it's best that they go to a trained, licensed professional for help. Telling someone that these people are "quacks" you endanger their lives.
3. It's nearly impossible to find out who is a "quack". Likewise, I doubt you would have any experience with pointing out which one which.
4. It's better to see a medical professional then seek medical advice from a gaming forum (nothing against Natural Selection, but last time I checked some of you were putting butter, on a burn).
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1. Sounds almost like an ad hominem attack, but it's just off the mark. Either way, it's completely irrelevant to my arguments/
2. What are you trying to achieve here? You call me a scientologist for referring to 'quacks' twice -- there's your gratuitous "Revlic's Ad Hominem attack of the day!" for you -- then try [and fail] to promote the idea that my personal slang [used only twice in a less-than-formal setting] somehow creates a lethal environment. Well, I guess words really can kill. I'd better watch my nouns and verbs, too.
3. How is it impossible to find out who a quack is? You ring them up and ask them if they're a psychiatrist. If yes, congratulations! You've done the impossible. If you want to determine whether or not they're giving you bad advice, thoroughly research whatever they prescribe you, using several external and unbias sources -- although I've already said this. Must I repeat everything to you twice, slowly?
4. We've already established that he's going to a professional. I offered, pro bono no less, critical advice that may even save his life. Why attack that?
-go see friends and do something fun with em, a card game or something, just be with them
-do not stand still to look back on the bad stuff all the time, keep moving forward to something positive
1. Sounds almost like an ad hominem attack, but it's just off the mark. Either way, it's completely irrelevant to my arguments/
2. What are you trying to achieve here? You call me a scientologist for referring to 'quacks' twice -- there's your gratuitous "Revlic's Ad Hominem attack of the day!" for you -- then try [and fail] to promote the idea that my personal slang [used only twice in a less-than-formal setting] somehow creates a lethal environment. Well, I guess words really can kill. I'd better watch my nouns and verbs, too.
3. How is it impossible to find out who a quack is? You ring them up and ask them if they're a psychiatrist. If yes, congratulations! You've done the impossible. If you want to determine whether or not they're giving you bad advice, thoroughly research whatever they prescribe you, using several external and unbias sources -- although I've already said this. Must I repeat everything to you twice, slowly?
4. We've already established that he's going to a professional. I offered, pro bono no less, critical advice that may even save his life. Why attack that?
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1. Look I understand your heart is in the right place, but you have to understand we often don't realize what we are saying until it's spelled out to you. People who are depressed and are seeking help don't need additional input, it confuses them and puts them in danger.
2. I didn't call you a scientologist, I called you acting like a scientologist for giving medical advice without any medical certification. It's a fair example really. Since they have killed people with their beliefs in psychology.
3. This explains itself, you see as psychologists as quacks.
4. You also gave him advice that would of endangered his. Good job.
1. Look I understand your heart is in the right place, but you have to understand we often don't realize what we are saying until it's spelled out to you. People who are depressed and are seeking help don't need additional input, it confuses them and puts them in danger.
2. I didn't call you a scientologist, I called you acting like a scientologist for giving medical advice without any medical certification. It's a fair example really. Since they have killed people with their beliefs in psychology.
3. This explains itself, you see as psychologists as quacks.
4. You also gave him advice that would of endangered his. Good job.
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1. I know what I'm saying. I stand by my advice. Just because he's depressed doesn't mean he shouldn't care about his welfare.
2. It's not a fair example, it's not a fair comparison. I gave advice on common sense -- if you're going to put something into your body, be damned sure you know what it is so you can make an educated decision. You're acting like a scientologist by denying people the right to give fair opinion uninhibited. Do you realise your hypocrisy, or do I need to spell it out for you?
3. Obviously it doesn't. Hopefully you're the only one dense enough to believe that, since I don't. I say 'quacks' because it's common slang from where I come from, it doesn't necessarily have negative connotations.
4. No advice I gave in this thread has been anything but beneficial. I warned him that prescription medicine can be very dangerous and that he should educate himself about any medicine he puts into his body. I advised him to ensure a lack of ignorance, which in anybody's minds but yours would be beneficial advice. I suppose you just want to drag him down to your level so that you aren't lonely, I guess.
Enough of this rubbish. I made my point several posts ago and you have never, at any stage, come close to forming a coherent or convincing counter-argument to any of my points. Stop derailing the thread and embarrassing yourself. I'm not going to waste my time, and I'm not going to entertain your delusions of debating aptitude.
Otto, I apologise for my derail, and also on behalf of Revlic's ravings. I realise that you've already acknowledged my advice, so I'll leave on the note that I sincerely hope you the very best on your road to recovery.
Whatever you do, <b>stay away from prescription medicine</b>. I would be 1000x more hesitant to recommend prescription drugs than illegal drugs. Jesus christ if you get put on anything, research it thoroughly and don't be afraid to tell the quack "NO".
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Bad advice, seriously. Many types of depression (dependent on the type, of course) are caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, which can be remedied only by prescription drugs.
"Don't be afraid to tell the quack "NO".?!? Could you be more specific as to who you consider a "quack"?
1. I know what I'm saying. I stand by my advice. Just because he's depressed doesn't mean he shouldn't care about his welfare.
2. It's not a fair example, it's not a fair comparison. I gave advice on common sense -- if you're going to put something into your body, be damned sure you know what it is so you can make an educated decision. You're acting like a scientologist by denying people the right to give fair opinion uninhibited. Do you realise your hypocrisy, or do I need to spell it out for you?
3. Obviously it doesn't. Hopefully you're the only one dense enough to believe that, since I don't. I say 'quacks' because it's common slang from where I come from, it doesn't necessarily have negative connotations.
4. No advice I gave in this thread has been anything but beneficial. I warned him that prescription medicine can be very dangerous and that he should educate himself about any medicine he puts into his body. I advised him to ensure a lack of ignorance, which in anybody's minds but yours would be beneficial advice. I suppose you just want to drag him down to your level so that you aren't lonely, I guess.
Enough of this rubbish. I made my point several posts ago and you have never, at any stage, come close to forming a coherent or convincing counter-argument to any of my points. Stop derailing the thread and embarrassing yourself. I'm not going to waste my time, and I'm not going to entertain your delusions of debating aptitude.
Otto, I apologise for my derail, and also on behalf of Revlic's ravings. I realise that you've already acknowledged my advice, so I'll leave on the note that I sincerely hope you the very best on your road to recovery.
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Your the one who derailed the thread with your posting about "avoiding quacks" ishball. Don't try to blow me off you found yourself in the hangman's noose with your ###### pant's down and now your looking to escape. You know damn good and well you were giving advice you probably weren't qualified to give.
Sorry ######hole, common sense isn't common and likewise you failed in it. Common sense would of dictated that he would of gone to a doctor, in which he did. What did you do? You told him that his doctor could possibly hurt him that he should be mistrusting of him because he's only out there to press his drugs on people.
I'm pretty sure he understands that his doctor for the most part knows what's best. If you wanted to save face it would of been better to said long ago that maybe you were wrong in regards to your advice, now all your trying to do is save face and protect your petty pride. Your the one who's in the delusion that you have some sort of medical degree or on some sorta higher level when it comes to neuroscience. The fact is what sort of qualifications do you have to issue medical advice vs. a ###### school janitor? I will give you a hint, it's less then 1.
And don't apologize for me because your a idiot, the same kind of idiot who get's people killed because of "folk medicine". Just shut the ###### up before you get someone hurt mmkay? I'm not here to talk to you about appropriate debate tactics, this isn't politics here, this is ###### science. If I had it my way people like you would be arrested for attempted murder.