<!--quoteo(post=1587176:date=Dec 11 2006, 05:28 PM:name=Lt_Patch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lt_Patch @ Dec 11 2006, 05:28 PM) [snapback]1587176[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> How so? I don't mean "give it to them" as in attack them. I mean as in give them the till drawer. 99.999999% of the time, if someone robs the store, and gets what they demand, then they leave without any further fuss. At that point, you hit the silent alarm, and raise every copper for a mile to the location.
The police are paid to deal with robbery, and the like, at least, in the UK they are, dunno what they're for in the US... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> By saying it would put you and anyone around you in grave danger inferred that you'd resist the robber's attempt.
That's my point though. Money isn't worth getting hurt over. If someone pointed a knife at me when I was in a store, and demanded the till, I'd take that metal drawer out, and slide it over the counter for them. Hell, I'd offer to bag it up from them.
Cooperation saves you from trouble.
Now, I can understand some shopkeepers wanting to fight back, particularly in the states, because a show of weakness there, brings out all the lowlife scum that the country holds descending upon your little store. But other than that, why put yourself in harms way for a few pieces of paper?
<!--quoteo(post=1587205:date=Dec 11 2006, 06:09 PM:name=Lt_Patch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lt_Patch @ Dec 11 2006, 06:09 PM) [snapback]1587205[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> That's my point though. Money isn't worth getting hurt over. If someone pointed a knife at me when I was in a store, and demanded the till, I'd take that metal drawer out, and slide it over the counter for them. Hell, I'd offer to bag it up from them.
Cooperation saves you from trouble.
Now, I can understand some shopkeepers wanting to fight back, particularly in the states, because a show of weakness there, brings out all the lowlife scum that the country holds descending upon your little store. But other than that, why put yourself in harms way for a few pieces of paper? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't turn this into a U.S vs the world debate Patch, you're missing my point. The point I made was it's not only dangerous to the person being robbed if he resists, it's equally dangerous to everyone else in the immediate area (other nearby customers or employees). OK?
<!--quoteo(post=1586817:date=Dec 11 2006, 12:02 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kouji_San @ Dec 11 2006, 12:02 AM) [snapback]1586817[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm glad I'm living in the Netherlands, I still don't get it why civilians are even allowed to own guns in the US of A. I personally think theres a problem in that by itself...
Take West-Europe for example, the gun problem is way smaller (could call it non-existant) then in the US and theres a gun law against owning them over here as well. Kind of proves my side of the story? But just try and stop the gun problem now in USA: baddies own guns, civies own guns. The problem is WAY to big to even be considered as a law. However, the first thing should be the closing of gunshops, but that's not going to happen because a lot of Americans will vote against the gun law...
Reminds me of the arms race back in the cold war after ww2, a similarity if ya ask me is present there <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> Ah well to much off-topicness from me which has no place in this thread, sorry. I certainly don't want to start a debate on gun issues in this nice thread <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Any more ninja's out there. And I'm not joking, but interested if anyone practices the art of Ninjitsu. I've only briefly encountered a few who pratices it during matches and I must say it's very impressive to see and experience as an opponant... Man what good balance those guys have! Probably one of the few I just can't seem to tip over <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Allow me to explain, we don't let the government do things for us. Because here in the states we understand that police can only help you after a crime has been committed. You will see statistically more crimes are prevented with civilian firearms ownership. On top of that most police departments agree with this as well. That's how come we haven't had gross firearms registration or confiscation (Aside from crime ridden states like California that have severe firearms restrictions). Americans have always been grossly resentful against European traditions and customs. Since our culture is based upon independence from government bodies.
Wanna know why we vote against gun laws? Because gun laws don't save lives. Never have.
That's my culture anyway. There's other schools of thought.
But yeah, if you want to put your life in the hands of some fat ###### eating doughnuts go right ahead. Last I checked European police were getting their lunches at McDonald's subsidized by the government so they at least look like they are on the streets.
<!--quoteo(post=1587207:date=Dec 11 2006, 11:13 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Dec 11 2006, 11:13 PM) [snapback]1587207[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Don't turn this into a U.S vs the world debate Patch, you're missing my point. The point I made was it's not only dangerous to the person being robbed if he resists, it's equally dangerous to everyone else in the immediate area (other nearby customers or employees). OK? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> But I never said to resist them. What I said was the exact opposite of it. You give them the drawer if you're threatened for it. Maybe it's because I don't live in a city, that it's the kind of mentality that shops around here have.
And I'm not turning this into a US vs the world debate. I was raising a point about what a show of weakness does to a place. Hell, it could easily apply to ANY country in the world, it's just that kind of flow is most commonly associated with America.
A little off topic, but a large part of gun ownership in America is knowing that if your government ever pulls something like Hitler or Stalin or Mao or anyone else who decides to throw people in jail for no reason and kill the rest, you can fight back, instead of lying down and taking it. It's not just that we're all scared of being mugged and wanna be able to nail someone in the head with a bullet before we give up our watches.
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I don't think they would understand the militia mindset. Anyway. So don't bring it up.
Amazing how a comment about a donut shop can completely derail a thread ... I smell lockage. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
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I think it got derailed around "Wii Boxing"
I do study Krav Maga. It's one of the few "true fighting" practices you will see out there. Since a lot of the stuff you learn are applicable in a fight.
Back on topic. Fencing is a good way of teaching someone finesse, and that it's not all about being outright better than someone else. It's more about using their mistakes to strengthen your position against them. Ok, so I won't be able to take a 36" rapier with me on the street to fend off some thug that wants my wallet, but it will help me speed, and reactions wise, if I do have to fight anyone.
And, like most martial arts, when you get around the initial learning, it is very relaxing, if more energetic than most other arts...
<Ed> Plus, personally, I believe that it's one of the more honourable arts. Matters of honour used to be settled over a locking of swords. Requires much more skill than just shooting someone. Also, I find it is a nod to the people, and the personalities that make up part of who I am now, by learning something as ancient as a sword fighting technique. I'd actually consider having a sword commissioned for me, to pass down, to keep my future generations reminded what the previous generations used to settle matters of honour with. Actions, not words... </Ed>
An opinion of my training: although we only wrestled three 3 minute periods, grapplers had to be in the best of shape. In addition, they have to constantly make weight, and so frequently went on jello diets and did laps around the gymnasium wearing rubber sweatsuits.
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Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited December 2006
Still we don't have many gun related crime incidents. Could call it close to nonexistant. Want to know why?
1. Civilians don't own guns (they are illegal) 2. Most criminals don't see the need for guns 3. Our crime rates are still pretty low so it seems to work
Violence + Violence = More violence
Add guns into the equistion and you just increase the violence.
But that might just be a culture thing. Theres a lot of history in the USA in the ownership of a gun to protect yourself against harmfull things, which is hard to shake of. However we Europeans have always tried to settle our differances with the mighty fist rather then getting firearms into the equistion. Simply because of the fact that there is a high potential of death involved... A gun just gives the criminals bigger balls/more security. But what they don't get is that it will also raise their chance of dying, because law enforcement is allowed to take them out by lethal force. Same as over here in Europe.
You just have to keep in mind that all over the world there are things which are different. I'm not saying one way is better then the other. I'm simply saying that increasing the chance of death will increase violence... It's like an arms race really...
That diss about our law enforcement, meh I'll choose to ignore it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> As it simply shows lack of respect for hardworking people...
I'd just rather go knock some sense into someone than injured/kill him with a firearm, simple as that...
I said my thing, you said your thing. Can we just agree to disagree and continue with the thread. Guns have no place in this thread anyway :/
@ depot: That remark about government takeover and stuff?
Let me tell you about a few times when Students and/or Farmers had major conflicts with the government their discisions. They didn't need guns to scare the living crap out of the politicians in Den Haag (government capital of the Netherlands). Even with the police and special ME units, which used teargass and weapon sticks to try and drive them back to finally take control (it's what they do and it works perfect). The government still gave in though, afraid of even larger riots the next day. And these weren't small time riots, bug huge riots which were controlled without the use of firearms
Simple thing, don't piss of farmers and students <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
About how my "gun theory" came to be about, it came about in this TV show called <a href="http://www.crimestriketv.com/" target="_blank">Crimestrike</a>. In one of the episodes, there was a case about someone in his 20s-30s, without a weapon, attempting to rob a lady(she was at least 60 years old) who owns a liquor store.
Since he was unarmed, he waited for everyone who was there, except the shop owner, to get out. Afterwards, he told her to give her the money, then she said no, then the guy started using force, then the lady pulled out a revolver and then fired a warning shot in the air and he ran, she first called her *'next door neighbor' liquor store friend and told her about the guy, then she called the cops.
The guy tried to rob the next person, but she pulled up a gun then he ran, then later cops caught him, the end.
Government does not posess power. People posess power. Government only posesses power to the point that the people are willing to let them have it. If the people agree to take the power away from the government, they don't need guns to do it.
"But lolfighter, what if the military..." Well, let me ask you this: Do you honestly think that civilians with handguns and hunting rifles and maybe the odd assault rifle, the modern day equivalent of a <i>peasant army</i>, would stand a chance against trained and well-equipped professionals? Against tanks, aircraft, smart missiles? Never.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
edited December 2006
what the ######, guys. why are you ###### up my thread? that's pretty disrespectful.
ANYway, getting off the topic of some stupid sh*...
i took this vid yesterday, me on the bag, going light and practicing single punches. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs</a>
i have since been told my glaring faults (leaving my elbows out in the guard, squaring up too much off the jab). after watching the video though, i feel like a weakass, so tomorrow i'm gonna take a vid of me blasting the thing. lol
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ANYway, getting off the topic of some stupid sh*...
i took this vid yesterday, me on the bag, going light and practicing single punches. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs</a>
i have since been told my glaring faults (leaving my elbows out in the guard, squaring up too much off the jab). after watching the video though, i feel like a weakass, so tomorrow i'm gonna take a vid of me blasting the thing. lol <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It doesn't happen in just this thread, it happens many times in many threads where a discussion changes its topic. Though I didn't intentionally wanted to introduce a debate about guns, and I'm sure other people didn't intentionally want to debate over guns too, but it's hard to resist sometimes changing the thread's topic.
Anyway, I've pretty much talked about everything I've done and offered as much to the discussion in the first two posts I've made in this thread.
<strike>Now it's "wait for other people to talk about stuff and maybe give them some information or personal experiences" game.</strike>
Edit: Speaking of Ninjutsu, it's divided into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu" target="_blank">18 disciplines</a>. Personally I'd choose Kayakujutsu, really some creative ways to create smoke bombs and other things.
I talked about owning nun-chucks, I'd really like to train using nun-chucks as a sport but unfortunately(like I said earlier) nun-chucks are illegal to have in CA.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMJ_b9uV1Lo" target="_blank">Shaolin kungfu vs. karate</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jYp6U3YZs" target="_blank">Tony Jaa vs Eddie Gordo</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7O8ELJDvU" target="_blank">Muay Thai beating the crap out of Tae Kwondo guy</a>... but, honestly, I think TKD guy's just not very good. No balance, look careless. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhSh_huZGs" target="_blank">Muay Thai 1962 and Muay Thai vs Karate</a>
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
I don't think it counts as a martial art or even a real fighting style, but my dad taught me dozens of ways to break a lot of joints- legs, arms, neck, back- in really easy to pull off ways. He also got me really good at catching/diverting punches. It turned out nice in High School(never lost a fight, but then again the worst I ever did was break a kid's leg by stepping on the joint while it was bent), but then again, High School kids aren't real threats(unless they've played some of them veedio games).
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Didn't care to read it, because I'm going back on topic. Everytime someone mentions private ownership about firearms some prissy little pig ###### like you pops out of the woodwork and decides to make a rant.
Likewise, all your doing is making Europe sound like it's full of self righteous ###### holes.
Anyway. I don't like the idea of using videos of certain fighters vs certain fighters when it comes to martial arts. I mean anyone knows a good grappler has the upper hand in any fight (simply because most fights end up on the ground, professionally speaking). But what really matters is if the fighter himself is skilled all around in all aspects of hand to hand combat.
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Likewise, all your doing is making Europe sound like it's full of self righteous ###### holes. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, way to take the thread back on topic, there. *rolls eyes*
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I'm still working on the combat style that allows me to deliver a kick to the face over copper media.
<!--quoteo(post=1587337:date=Dec 12 2006, 05:06 AM:name=Revlic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Revlic @ Dec 12 2006, 05:06 AM) [snapback]1587337[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> [...]Likewise, all your doing is making Europe sound like it's full of self righteous ###### holes.[...] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> But it is. Just like any other continent you care to mention.
<!--quoteo(post=1587459:date=Dec 12 2006, 10:18 AM:name=Revlic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Revlic @ Dec 12 2006, 10:18 AM) [snapback]1587459[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm still working on the combat style that allows me to deliver a kick to the face over copper media. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's the device that lets you stab people in the face over the internet...
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Revlic, ever heard of respect for other people? Think before posting moronic instults like that, with that post you actually did a good job at discribing yourself <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
If you actually read it, you would have seen that I wasn't saying one way is better then the other. On the contrary, theres just a differance of opinion, nothing more... Howcome some people see the need to act all though when they draw the wrong conclusion. It wasn't even a personal attack against you, just a remark about the difference between two cultures...
It takes heck of a lot to piss me off, but you just managed to do it. Very impressive...
--- Last thing I'm going to say about this nonsense
Anyway, not all fights end up on the ground. A possible way of defending yourself in "real" conflict is to scare them more then hurting them, most will back-off. If they don't theres still a small chance of ending up on the ground. Still depends on what sport you practice of course...
However I still stand by my point made WAY before the gun jazz.
It's better to not use your skills IRL then actually going out looking for fights or at the slightest hint of trouble start kicking the crap out of people... People who do this should be banned from their club and other events related to martial arts IMHO. Only act in self defence, but keep it within certain limits...
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
a pretty big gym here on base. the biggest areas in the gym are the two basketball courts, and the weightroom (which is about as big as a small theater). one of the smaller rooms has a bunch of stationary bikes, and two bags in the back.
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How so? I don't mean "give it to them" as in attack them. I mean as in give them the till drawer. 99.999999% of the time, if someone robs the store, and gets what they demand, then they leave without any further fuss. At that point, you hit the silent alarm, and raise every copper for a mile to the location.
The police are paid to deal with robbery, and the like, at least, in the UK they are, dunno what they're for in the US...
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By saying it would put you and anyone around you in grave danger inferred that you'd resist the robber's attempt.
Cooperation saves you from trouble.
Now, I can understand some shopkeepers wanting to fight back, particularly in the states, because a show of weakness there, brings out all the lowlife scum that the country holds descending upon your little store.
But other than that, why put yourself in harms way for a few pieces of paper?
That's my point though. Money isn't worth getting hurt over. If someone pointed a knife at me when I was in a store, and demanded the till, I'd take that metal drawer out, and slide it over the counter for them. Hell, I'd offer to bag it up from them.
Cooperation saves you from trouble.
Now, I can understand some shopkeepers wanting to fight back, particularly in the states, because a show of weakness there, brings out all the lowlife scum that the country holds descending upon your little store.
But other than that, why put yourself in harms way for a few pieces of paper?
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Don't turn this into a U.S vs the world debate Patch, you're missing my point. The point I made was it's not only dangerous to the person being robbed if he resists, it's equally dangerous to everyone else in the immediate area (other nearby customers or employees). OK?
I'm glad I'm living in the Netherlands, I still don't get it why civilians are even allowed to own guns in the US of A. I personally think theres a problem in that by itself...
Take West-Europe for example, the gun problem is way smaller (could call it non-existant) then in the US and theres a gun law against owning them over here as well. Kind of proves my side of the story? But just try and stop the gun problem now in USA: baddies own guns, civies own guns. The problem is WAY to big to even be considered as a law. However, the first thing should be the closing of gunshops, but that's not going to happen because a lot of Americans will vote against the gun law...
Reminds me of the arms race back in the cold war after ww2, a similarity if ya ask me is present there <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Ah well to much off-topicness from me which has no place in this thread, sorry. I certainly don't want to start a debate on gun issues in this nice thread <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Any more ninja's out there. And I'm not joking, but interested if anyone practices the art of Ninjitsu. I've only briefly encountered a few who pratices it during matches and I must say it's very impressive to see and experience as an opponant... Man what good balance those guys have! Probably one of the few I just can't seem to tip over <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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Allow me to explain, we don't let the government do things for us. Because here in the states we understand that police can only help you after a crime has been committed. You will see statistically more crimes are prevented with civilian firearms ownership. On top of that most police departments agree with this as well. That's how come we haven't had gross firearms registration or confiscation (Aside from crime ridden states like California that have severe firearms restrictions). Americans have always been grossly resentful against European traditions and customs. Since our culture is based upon independence from government bodies.
Wanna know why we vote against gun laws? Because gun laws don't save lives. Never have.
That's my culture anyway. There's other schools of thought.
But yeah, if you want to put your life in the hands of some fat ###### eating doughnuts go right ahead. Last I checked European police were getting their lunches at McDonald's subsidized by the government so they at least look like they are on the streets.
Don't turn this into a U.S vs the world debate Patch, you're missing my point. The point I made was it's not only dangerous to the person being robbed if he resists, it's equally dangerous to everyone else in the immediate area (other nearby customers or employees). OK?
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But I never said to resist them. What I said was the exact opposite of it. You give them the drawer if you're threatened for it. Maybe it's because I don't live in a city, that it's the kind of mentality that shops around here have.
And I'm not turning this into a US vs the world debate. I was raising a point about what a show of weakness does to a place. Hell, it could easily apply to ANY country in the world, it's just that kind of flow is most commonly associated with America.
A little off topic, but a large part of gun ownership in America is knowing that if your government ever pulls something like Hitler or Stalin or Mao or anyone else who decides to throw people in jail for no reason and kill the rest, you can fight back, instead of lying down and taking it. It's not just that we're all scared of being mugged and wanna be able to nail someone in the head with a bullet before we give up our watches.
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I don't think they would understand the militia mindset. Anyway. So don't bring it up.
Amazing how a comment about a donut shop can completely derail a thread ... I smell lockage. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
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I think it got derailed around "Wii Boxing"
I do study Krav Maga. It's one of the few "true fighting" practices you will see out there. Since a lot of the stuff you learn are applicable in a fight.
Fencing is a good way of teaching someone finesse, and that it's not all about being outright better than someone else. It's more about using their mistakes to strengthen your position against them.
Ok, so I won't be able to take a 36" rapier with me on the street to fend off some thug that wants my wallet, but it will help me speed, and reactions wise, if I do have to fight anyone.
And, like most martial arts, when you get around the initial learning, it is very relaxing, if more energetic than most other arts...
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Plus, personally, I believe that it's one of the more honourable arts. Matters of honour used to be settled over a locking of swords. Requires much more skill than just shooting someone.
Also, I find it is a nod to the people, and the personalities that make up part of who I am now, by learning something as ancient as a sword fighting technique. I'd actually consider having a sword commissioned for me, to pass down, to keep my future generations reminded what the previous generations used to settle matters of honour with. Actions, not words...
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An opinion of my training: although we only wrestled three 3 minute periods, grapplers had to be in the best of shape. In addition, they have to constantly make weight, and so frequently went on jello diets and did laps around the gymnasium wearing rubber sweatsuits.
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1. Civilians don't own guns (they are illegal)
2. Most criminals don't see the need for guns
3. Our crime rates are still pretty low so it seems to work
Violence + Violence = More violence
Add guns into the equistion and you just increase the violence.
But that might just be a culture thing. Theres a lot of history in the USA in the ownership of a gun to protect yourself against harmfull things, which is hard to shake of. However we Europeans have always tried to settle our differances with the mighty fist rather then getting firearms into the equistion. Simply because of the fact that there is a high potential of death involved... A gun just gives the criminals bigger balls/more security. But what they don't get is that it will also raise their chance of dying, because law enforcement is allowed to take them out by lethal force. Same as over here in Europe.
You just have to keep in mind that all over the world there are things which are different. I'm not saying one way is better then the other. I'm simply saying that increasing the chance of death will increase violence... It's like an arms race really...
That diss about our law enforcement, meh I'll choose to ignore it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> As it simply shows lack of respect for hardworking people...
I'd just rather go knock some sense into someone than injured/kill him with a firearm, simple as that...
I said my thing, you said your thing. Can we just agree to disagree and continue with the thread. Guns have no place in this thread anyway :/
@ depot:
That remark about government takeover and stuff?
Let me tell you about a few times when Students and/or Farmers had major conflicts with the government their discisions. They didn't need guns to scare the living crap out of the politicians in Den Haag (government capital of the Netherlands). Even with the police and special ME units, which used teargass and weapon sticks to try and drive them back to finally take control (it's what they do and it works perfect). The government still gave in though, afraid of even larger riots the next day. And these weren't small time riots, bug huge riots which were controlled without the use of firearms
Simple thing, don't piss of farmers and students <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Since he was unarmed, he waited for everyone who was there, except the shop owner, to get out. Afterwards, he told her to give her the money, then she said no, then the guy started using force, then the lady pulled out a revolver and then fired a warning shot in the air and he ran, she first called her *'next door neighbor' liquor store friend and told her about the guy, then she called the cops.
The guy tried to rob the next person, but she pulled up a gun then he ran, then later cops caught him, the end.
*It was the closest liquor store nearby.
"But lolfighter, what if the military..." Well, let me ask you this: Do you honestly think that civilians with handguns and hunting rifles and maybe the odd assault rifle, the modern day equivalent of a <i>peasant army</i>, would stand a chance against trained and well-equipped professionals? Against tanks, aircraft, smart missiles? Never.
ANYway, getting off the topic of some stupid sh*...
i took this vid yesterday, me on the bag, going light and practicing single punches.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs</a>
i have since been told my glaring faults (leaving my elbows out in the guard, squaring up too much off the jab). after watching the video though, i feel like a weakass, so tomorrow i'm gonna take a vid of me blasting the thing. lol
what the ######, guys. why are you ###### up my thread? that's pretty disrespectful.
ANYway, getting off the topic of some stupid sh*...
i took this vid yesterday, me on the bag, going light and practicing single punches.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_jGsq1IWs</a>
i have since been told my glaring faults (leaving my elbows out in the guard, squaring up too much off the jab). after watching the video though, i feel like a weakass, so tomorrow i'm gonna take a vid of me blasting the thing. lol
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It doesn't happen in just this thread, it happens many times in many threads where a discussion changes its topic. Though I didn't intentionally wanted to introduce a debate about guns, and I'm sure other people didn't intentionally want to debate over guns too, but it's hard to resist sometimes changing the thread's topic.
Anyway, I've pretty much talked about everything I've done and offered as much to the discussion in the first two posts I've made in this thread.
<strike>Now it's "wait for other people to talk about stuff and maybe give them some information or personal experiences" game.</strike>
Edit: Speaking of Ninjutsu, it's divided into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu" target="_blank">18 disciplines</a>. Personally I'd choose Kayakujutsu, really some creative ways to create smoke bombs and other things.
I talked about owning nun-chucks, I'd really like to train using nun-chucks as a sport but unfortunately(like I said earlier) nun-chucks are illegal to have in CA.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jYp6U3YZs" target="_blank">Tony Jaa vs Eddie Gordo</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7O8ELJDvU" target="_blank">Muay Thai beating the crap out of Tae Kwondo guy</a>... but, honestly, I think TKD guy's just not very good. No balance, look careless.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhSh_huZGs" target="_blank">Muay Thai 1962 and Muay Thai vs Karate</a>
Meh.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah. ish no one gives a ###### about.
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Didn't care to read it, because I'm going back on topic. Everytime someone mentions private ownership about firearms some prissy little pig ###### like you pops out of the woodwork and decides to make a rant.
Likewise, all your doing is making Europe sound like it's full of self righteous ###### holes.
Anyway. I don't like the idea of using videos of certain fighters vs certain fighters when it comes to martial arts. I mean anyone knows a good grappler has the upper hand in any fight (simply because most fights end up on the ground, professionally speaking). But what really matters is if the fighter himself is skilled all around in all aspects of hand to hand combat.
Speaking of Ninjitsu,
<img src="http://www.publispain.com/posters/american_ninja.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
is on TV right now.
Didn't care to read it, because I'm going back on topic. Everytime someone mentions private ownership about firearms some prissy little pig ###### like you pops out of the woodwork and decides to make a rant.
Likewise, all your doing is making Europe sound like it's full of self righteous ###### holes.
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Yeah, way to take the thread back on topic, there. *rolls eyes*
Yeah, way to take the thread back on topic, there. *rolls eyes*
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I'm still working on the combat style that allows me to deliver a kick to the face over copper media.
[...]Likewise, all your doing is making Europe sound like it's full of self righteous ###### holes.[...]
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But it is. Just like any other continent you care to mention.
I'm still working on the combat style that allows me to deliver a kick to the face over copper media.
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It's the device that lets you stab people in the face over the internet...
Bash yourself familiar, nublar <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
If you actually read it, you would have seen that I wasn't saying one way is better then the other. On the contrary, theres just a differance of opinion, nothing more... Howcome some people see the need to act all though when they draw the wrong conclusion. It wasn't even a personal attack against you, just a remark about the difference between two cultures...
It takes heck of a lot to piss me off, but you just managed to do it. Very impressive...
--- Last thing I'm going to say about this nonsense
Anyway, not all fights end up on the ground. A possible way of defending yourself in "real" conflict is to scare them more then hurting them, most will back-off. If they don't theres still a small chance of ending up on the ground. Still depends on what sport you practice of course...
However I still stand by my point made WAY before the gun jazz.
It's better to not use your skills IRL then actually going out looking for fights or at the slightest hint of trouble start kicking the crap out of people... People who do this should be banned from their club and other events related to martial arts IMHO. Only act in self defence, but keep it within certain limits...
took this vid today. more combinations and more activity.
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6IfNbLQuq4" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6IfNbLQuq4</a>
took this vid today. more combinations and more activity.
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Where was that taken? In a gym or in your house?