Final Fantasy XII

QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">Your Thoughts</div>So, I dunno what to think of it. On one side, the battle system is much better than the old, but thats not saying much. The gambit system is a bit too general-use until late game. And the game having points where you either run, or lose the game, doesn't feel like very much fun(considering its hard to tell when these are).

Normal fights ramp up in difficulty quickly, as well. But I love the character development overall, and the story is top notch thus far. And geez- this game is one of those games that make me wonder how most of the XBox 360 games STILL look worse than it. And I honestly think, thus far- best music a final fantasy has had.

What're your thoughts?

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  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    my roommate has it. it looks pretty. it sounds pretty. his grades are dropping. i'll wait until break to lift it from him.
  • wankalotwankalot Join Date: 2005-02-05 Member: 39872Members
    lol sadly i live in a far away land called australia... we dont get games until at least a month after the US.
    *curses geographical distance from everywhere and small consumer market in australia*
  • sherpasherpa stopcommandermode Join Date: 2006-11-04 Member: 58338Members
    My PS2 does some trippy thing where the damned thing refuses to load after a few minutes.

    I've been told the laser needs replacing but that sounds uber expensive.

    I'd love to play FF12 but don't see how- unless you guys can offer repair advice?

    There's a bit more info <a href="http://www.playzen.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=411" target="_blank">here</a>.

    (Sorry for e-highjacking! FF7 rocked, FF8 was okay, FF10 sucks! I wanna try 12!)
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Call Sony and be like "WTHreplace!"
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I'm still iffy. I've avoided FF since I tried 7 and 8 and couldn't stand them. Tactics was the only fun one. I'll read up on it, see about grabbing it or something. Guitar Hero 2 first though. LAID TO REEEEEEEEEEEEEST
  • torquetorque Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20035Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I think <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/07" target="_blank">Penny Arcade</a> summed it up pretty well.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited November 2006
    7 was okay, but they needed a better villain. Kefka would have slapped that ***** stupid.
    8 was pointless. Whiny emo crap. I stopped playing after about a half an hour, and threw it back into the 'used' bin.
    9 was okay, but mostly as I named the guard '######', which ended up in laughing fits at random points in the game. Also, Vivi was cute. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> The chocobos sucked though.
    X was more whining and ego. I think it's keeping a table level for me, but I can't remember which one, nor do I care.
    X-2 did not exist. Nothing that retarded can possibly continue in this reality.
    XI ended up boring after a while... no decent parties, nothing to really *do*, and you ended up dying a lot regardless. If you didn't end up dying, and actually found a decent group that worked together, you ended up backed into a corner somewhere, farming the same monsters over and over for exp, so you could go off and do the same to higher level monsters. Yawn.

    Tactics was awesome. I'm regretting refusing to sell my original copy, from before the game went Greatest Hits. :b Three hundred plus bucks, now down to twenty. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> Tactics Advance did not exist. Too craptastic to achieve recognizance.


    XII... well, yeah. Penny Arcade summed it up. At this point they're just milking the franchise, knowing that sephiroth-fanboy <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->retards<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> will always cough up the fifty bucks when another FF game comes out. But hey, that's a benny of owning the IP rights. I'm just waiting until they dress everyone up in party hats and clown clothes, just to see how far they can go before people realize they're being f***ed with.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I love it when Talesin makes a post that's actually good. Because when they are, they're REALLY good. Basically sums up all my feelings on the FF series and why I despite it, and why every Square fan-boy seems to despise my taste. Sephiroth sucked, by the way.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1573509:date=Nov 4 2006, 08:31 PM:name=Talesin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Talesin @ Nov 4 2006, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1573509[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    7 was okay, but they needed a better villain. Kefka would have slapped that ***** stupid.
    8 was pointless. Whiny emo crap. I stopped playing after about a half an hour, and threw it back into the 'used' bin.
    9 was okay, but mostly as I named the guard '######', which ended up in laughing fits at random points in the game. Also, Vivi was cute. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> The chocobos sucked though.
    X was more whining and ego. I think it's keeping a table level for me, but I can't remember which one, nor do I care.
    X-2 did not exist. Nothing that retarded can possibly continue in this reality.
    XI ended up boring after a while... no decent parties, nothing to really *do*, and you ended up dying a lot regardless. If you didn't end up dying, and actually found a decent group that worked together, you ended up backed into a corner somewhere, farming the same monsters over and over for exp, so you could go off and do the same to higher level monsters. Yawn.

    Tactics was awesome. I'm regretting refusing to sell my original copy, from before the game went Greatest Hits. :b Three hundred plus bucks, now down to twenty. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> Tactics Advance did not exist. Too craptastic to achieve recognizance.
    XII... well, yeah. Penny Arcade summed it up. At this point they're just milking the franchise, knowing that sephiroth-fanboy <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->retards<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> will always cough up the fifty bucks when another FF game comes out. But hey, that's a benny of owning the IP rights. I'm just waiting until they dress everyone up in party hats and clown clothes, just to see how far they can go before people realize they're being f***ed with.
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    Yeeah...nice job flaming dozens of people. By the way, I don't like Sephiroth, but I bought FFXII. I guess I'm still a retard. Thanks Talesin, I really appreciate that. Also btw, if you think their milking the genre, try 12 with the rather radical changes they've implemented. These changes are libel to kill the series then help it, but they did a damn good job. Sheesh, you'd think you would have retained some tact from being a mod.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited November 2006
    Thanks, I've been working on it every time I see a 'S3ph1r0-|-H_1214' posting somewhere, or used as an in-game name. I did not say that only sephiroth-fanboy <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->RETARDS</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> would buy FFXII, simply that they were the only ones <i>assured</i> to be buying copies. Not that everyone buying FFXII was a sephiroth-fanboy <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->retard</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->.

    And of course they're milking the IP. It's what companies do to make money. They didn't need to call it 'Final Fantasy', they could have created a freestanding world, with gameplay mechanics radically different from any of the rest of the series. What's that you say? They do that almost every revision of the game, never really coming back to the same location or time period? And they only name the series FINAL FANTASY out of brand-recognition, so people will purchase it?
    Quaunaut, give the wounded ego a break, and think about how much an oxymoron 'Final Fantasy 12' truly is. Originally named that as it was to be Square's last game, but ended up pulling them out of the final throes of bankruptcy and company-death. They've milked the brand recognition and IP to keep alive, and HAVE created some pretty awesome games. But it doesn't mean that they aren't milking the IP in this case, to get your money.

    And it's 'admin', not 'mod'. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Well, I guess theres only one way to resolve this:

    Have fun not playing FFXII!
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited November 2006
    Yep. Too busy with BF2142, Ship, Guitar Hero, Frequency, Amplitude, Rez, Okami, Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! and Children of Mana. With the occasional round of NS or an hour or two of Burning Crusade now and again, just to break up the monotony.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Hey guys, I have testicular elephantitis.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited November 2006
    Nah, just birthday cash from parents/relatives. My landlord is also kinda awesome, gave me this month's rent free as a birthday present. So I went a little nuts in getting all the time-wasters I'd been wanting/waiting on for a while, instead of saving it to fix my car like I should have.

    Er... unless you actually have testicular elephantitis. In which case I'm extremely sorry to hear that, but no, you can't borrow my wheelbarrow, even if you sterilize it afterward.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    edited November 2006
    In all honesty, though, I think that is the main reason I avoid the Final Fantasy series. It's just 13-16 sub-par clone RPGs with a specific brand name attached to it so it will sell. It's the same thing people ish on EA for doing.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    So, Penny Arcade had a complete change of heart(on one half).

    <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/" target="_blank">http://www.penny-arcade.com/</a>
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    I have to agree with Talesin.

    FF's marketing also sucks. I wouldn't watch James Bond's 21st film if it were to be called James Bond 21 so I really don't expect a game called 12 or putting it in Roman numerals to dupe consumers. Milked more than Zelda and Mario.
  • wankalotwankalot Join Date: 2005-02-05 Member: 39872Members
    IMHO the only final fantasies worth playing are 7 and 9. 7 was actually one of my favourite games. the only reason 9 was good was because they realised how ish 8 was and returned to the 7 formula. As for 10 and 10-2: Complete and utter crap. Crap story, crap characters, crap combat system, crap voiceovers.. hell crap everything, except mayb graphics.

    Its with great scepticism and suspicion that im about to buy ff12, but reports say its better that the last 3 installments, but thats not saying much tbh.
  • torquetorque Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20035Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I really couldn't care if they'd called it Final Fantasy or not; I bought it because I'd seen gameplay trailers, and I found both the gameplay and plot intriguing. My post of the PA comic was just supposed to be a playful jab (because you have to admit, it does have some truth to it).

    FF to me is a way of saying that it's a game that will retain references to other FF games, and quite possibly a fair amount of the staff and general themes (and therefore, 'similarity'). Other than that, my breakdown goes something like this:

    FF6: Best. FF. Evar.
    FF7: Load of crap. Hated all the characters and couldn't give a damn about the rest of the game.
    FF8: Pretty. Whiny, bland, and made absolutely no sense - but pretty.
    FF9: Enjoyed the gameplay and some of the characters.
    FFX: Gorgeous. Whiny protagonist and the game was way too easy - but I still loved it, especially the world that they created for it.
    FFX2: I am beyond words. FF is dead to me.
    FFXI: I'm so bored I don't know what to do with myself.
    FFXII: I need to understand more of how to play it better (for lack of a better phrase), but definitely intriguing.
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    Chrono Trigger > FF6 > FF9 > * > FF7.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    <!--quoteo(post=1574494:date=Nov 7 2006, 02:31 PM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Nov 7 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]1574494[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    FF7 < Chrono Trigger < FF6 < Secret of Mana < Zelda.
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    Fixed.
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    aww I like ffxi <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> I also liked 5,7,9,10. I read the review of ffxii on penny arcade ages ago and came to the conclusion that perhaps the ff series was totally dead <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> But then there was more commenting on monday which may sway me into investigating further, but still buying is a long way from my mind lol. I play enough games, ns, starcraft, ffxi. My game time is tapped by those I got other stuff to do D:
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