Armour Value Calculation

Heskey · August 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">Am I correct?</div> Hey guys, I never really got down to any nitty gritty in games like, how much damage every attack does and how quick the attack can be used, but I've always wondered about armour values and after reading a post just now I think I've got it...

HP is X
Armour is Y
Total HP = Z

Z = X + 2Y

So:

100 + 70x2 (140) would be 240 hp?

And is this the same for all Half-Life mods? Half-Life, CS, even CSS etc?

Dirty_Harry_Potter · August 2005

it's pretty much that but more hives and perhaps even just the carapace upgrade makes armor soak more damage, but as a rule of thumb that does nicely i think.

Heskey · August 2005

So for example in CSS:

HP + Jacket & Helmet = 100 + 100x2 = 300hp?

Cxwf · August 2005

No. THat is the default model for HL, but mods can change it.

HL -- Z = X + 2Y
DOD -- Z = X (no armor at all)
NS Marines -- Z = X + 2Y
NS Aliens -- Z = X + Y * (1.5 + 0.5H), where H is your hives

CS is a whole different thing altogether, as unlike NS, most of the damage you take will go to your health instead of your armor. So an NS marine with 100 hp and 50 armor who gets bit for 150 damage will have 50 hp and 0 armor left. By comparison, a CS guy with 100 hp and 100 armor who takes 100 damage will have about 20 hp and 90 armor left. Since you never actually run OUT of armor, its very difficult to calculate exactly how much it protects you.

The_Cheat · August 2005

Yeah, the only armor in CS worth mentioning is the helmet portion, which prevents death from one (1) headshot at full health. Other than that, it's virtually useless.

tankefugl · August 2005

In CS, it depends on what weapon you were hit with. An AK47 will do more damage to health, while a glock will chop away a good portion of the armor instad.

Golden · August 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ Aug 4 2005, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No. THat is the default model for HL, but mods can change it.

HL -- Z = X + 2Y
DOD -- Z = X (no armor at all)
NS Marines -- Z = X + 2Y
<b>NS Aliens -- Z = X + Y * (1.5 + 0.5H), where H is your hives</b>

CS is a whole different thing altogether, as unlike NS, most of the damage you take will go to your health instead of your armor. So an NS marine with 100 hp and 50 armor who gets bit for 150 damage will have 50 hp and 0 armor left. By comparison, a CS guy with 100 hp and 100 armor who takes 100 damage will have about 20 hp and 90 armor left. Since you never actually run OUT of armor, its very difficult to calculate exactly how much it protects you.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Incorrect, it should be:

Z = X + Y * (1.75 + 0.25H)

In combat it counts aliens as having two hives.

BlueNovember · August 2005

Note that armour also absorbs (negates) a portion of damage as well, further complicating matters.

Cxwf · August 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Aug 4 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Note that armour also absorbs (negates) a portion of damage as well, further complicating matters.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Thats exactly what we are discussing. The amount negated by armor is what makes 1 point of armor effecitvely count as 2 or more points of health.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Golden)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Incorrect, it should be:

Z = X + Y * (1.75 + 0.25H)

In combat it counts aliens as having two hives.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Combat gives alien 1 hive stats. I've tested this numerous times.

In NS, your figures make armor worth 2 points at Hive 1, 2 1/4 points at Hive 2, and 2 1/2 points at Hive 3. My figures make armor worth 2 points at Hive 1, 2 1/2 points at Hive 2, and 3 points at Hive 3. If you'll go actually test this on a server, you'll see that mine are correct.

puzl · August 2005

Tyr it out with the damage calculator <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/comm_manual/basic/damageCalculator.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/comm_manua...eCalculator.htm</a>

im_lost · August 2005

Then you have to add in the fact that armor counts as 2 health whether you have 1 or 0 hives, so you really need a piecewise function to fully define it.

The_Cheat · August 2005

EDIT: Give me a minute...

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'> Z = X + Y (1.5 + .5H), H != 0
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Z = X + Y (2 + H), H = 0
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I left the H in the second piece just to show how it would still work when it is 0.

Cxwf · August 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Aug 4 2005, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Then you have to add in the fact that armor counts as 2 health whether you have 1 or 0 hives, so you really need a piecewise function to fully define it.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I had forgotten about that. (Thanks to the Cheat for the piecewise function! )

But I've never actually TESTED zero hive armor either. Maybe it actually does drop? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Heskey · August 2005

On the subject of CS and armour

Does anyone know how that value is calculated? And how 'Vest' gives 100, and 'Helmet & Vest' gives 100, but the helmet is better? (In basic terms yeah you have a helmet - But it's the same value?)

Sakutaro · August 2005

try to on tourney mode and blow yourself with a mine

Renegade. · August 2005

Cxwf, how exactly did you derive (1.5 + 0.5H)?

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/comm_manual/basic/armorSystem.htm' target='_blank'>I'd really like to hear Niteowl's comment on this topic...://I'd really like to hear Niteowl...n this topic...</a>

im_lost · August 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R e n e g a d e @ Aug 4 2005, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Cxwf, how exactly did you derive (1.5 + 0.5H)?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
To derive that, you first figure out the coefficient in front of H. Since each hive adds 0.5 hp per point of armor, you get 0.5H. The next step is to figure out what gets added to 0.5H. To do this, plug in any value of H and the corresponding value for A. In this case, you could use 2 = c + 0.5(1), and find that c = 1.5.

a_civilian · August 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ Aug 4 2005, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I had forgotten about that. (Thanks to the Cheat for the piecewise function! )

But I've never actually TESTED zero hive armor either. Maybe it actually does drop? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I have; 0-hive armor is the same as 1-hive armor.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R e n e g a d e @ Aug 4 2005, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Cxwf, how exactly did you derive (1.5 + 0.5H)?

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/comm_manual/basic/armorSystem.htm' target='_blank'>I'd really like to hear Niteowl's comment on this topic...://I'd really like to hear Niteowl...n this topic...</a></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I wrote that page. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

(1.5 + 0.5H) does correspond with the data there, excepting the hive 0 case. 1.5 + 0.5(1) = 2, 1.5 + 0.5(2) = 2.5, and 1.5 + 0.5(3) = 3.

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