Personal Experience With God
kida
Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
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I've met people who have described to me there personal experiences with God, and how it has changed their lives in a unique, dramatic or slow but surely way.
Ineffable to them but not altogether easily described at all, since words fail to truly describe these experiences, they become an encouragement to their faith.
The arguements here are many. I mean, you could say that these people are really auto-suggesting such experiences to transform them into hallucinatory states and whatnot. I'm sure you've read material or something along the lines about what I am saying. If not, I've already said something about it to give you an idea.
Anyways, I believe (because I cannot necessarily prove at all in any circumstance), that such experiences are true to the subjective viewer, and true none-the-less outside of the personal viewer. They were touched by the "absolute."
Most importantly, I am saying this because I have experienced God in different ways too. And I know that (don't get me wrong, I am a very skeptical guy - which probably doesn't say much).., it is truly, truly something which neither the imaginatve state of mind could produce.
Although, I am willing to debate this to a certain point. Perhaps, someone else can later pursue the topic in a different direction.
Ineffable to them but not altogether easily described at all, since words fail to truly describe these experiences, they become an encouragement to their faith.
The arguements here are many. I mean, you could say that these people are really auto-suggesting such experiences to transform them into hallucinatory states and whatnot. I'm sure you've read material or something along the lines about what I am saying. If not, I've already said something about it to give you an idea.
Anyways, I believe (because I cannot necessarily prove at all in any circumstance), that such experiences are true to the subjective viewer, and true none-the-less outside of the personal viewer. They were touched by the "absolute."
Most importantly, I am saying this because I have experienced God in different ways too. And I know that (don't get me wrong, I am a very skeptical guy - which probably doesn't say much).., it is truly, truly something which neither the imaginatve state of mind could produce.
Although, I am willing to debate this to a certain point. Perhaps, someone else can later pursue the topic in a different direction.
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to such things as out-of-body experiences, "astral projection,"
that kind of stuff. There is proof that these experiences can
be induced by spinning a bunch of magnets around your head,
so could you explain on your experience a bit more?
I like to think that all life, all matter; everything is connected and intertwined by one continuous omnipresent energy flow.
I think experiences like these are just our minds tapping into small portions of this energy.
I have my own crazy little theory, which I think is original, on how this energy flow works and how we fit into it. But being an idiot I'm probably dead wrong and unknowingly copping someone else’s work.
Maybe you could elaborate more on your experience? I still see most "experiences" as hallucination, unless you've got atleast some proof that it wasn't.
The God I believe in isn't really a god, more like the "Universe" type thing...
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Nah, just kidding. I've never had an "out of body" experience or anything else related to God or any gods, so I can't really comment on it. But it would be awesome if folks really had psionic powers now.
Also, personal experiences are totally worthless in establishing the truth of something. Tons of people believe they have been abducted by aliens.
I tried what is promised in the bible. And what shall I say ... it just works. I trusted that god exists, that he loves me and saves me. I believed that he knows best, whats best for me because he created the world and everything in it, including me. I recognized from what I read, that I had choosen to rebell against him so far, and that I need his present of forgiveness.
It did not take long ... I was changing. Many of my negative traits against which I fighted for long just disappeard. It wasn't even hard. It has nothing to do with asceticism. I'm a happy person, and I enjoy life more then I ever did ^^
This is my personal experience with god ^^ I expect noone to try the same, because it's your personal freedom to choose not to. In the end its your butt <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I can explain enough to tell you even if the powers of my imagination were in effect throughout, there is no doubt on my part that they were touched, even if ever so slightly, by the absolute.
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The absolute may personify himself in whatever means, either it be a source of magnificent light, and... but the main emphasis of my arguement is that God emphasizes himself in his "hiding." I am not going to judge whether if someone claimed to see Santa Claus one day qualifies as to what i am saying, but that when God touches someone in the way I am speaking of, it is not necessarily Santa Claus, Thor, or whoever...But rather that when God does touch someone in the way I am talking about, it is not a vision, a sweet taste of feminity, but a truth that is hidden in "darkness," and that is compelled beyond anything possible through our faculties. The God I am talking about is beyond our comprehension of reason. Through the experience I am talking about, God's language is not reason.
It could be a split second sight of infinity, and likewise in paradox, he is both darkness and light. It is everything that encompasses into one, unitied...love...that says, "truly you are God..."
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Read above.
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The truth of something is based on personal experiences whether it may be wrong or not: however wrong this may seem. I know you are talking about common objectivity of our senses, but that does not say such a possibility is nullfied even with thousands of alien abduction reports, which is to say is totally irrelevant as to what i am talking about: and that is a definite and pure, personal experience of the absolute, however tainted by our environment; yet even it is through our experiences that some things are made clearer. None-the-less, it is not auto-suggestion, and it does not come about by wishing, or when you expect it. But by grace, through willingness in heart, it comes about when his will says so unexpectedly.
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Read the above.
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I cannot judge you. I don't have the right to judge you. But i can tell you that even though both of us struggle to understand and comprehend God, (and please, don't think I am some quasi-mystical quack), if we seek we will find. I often have noticed that the answers were in me all along. And still...I am searching, stuggling evermore...Because the sum of humanity is in me, and the sum of myself is in humanity, and humanity is in its sum searching for what I am searching, in however disguised of a way to each of us.
Before I mentioned that I would debate this to a certain point, since afterall, it's hard to argue against something that cannot really be "argued."
I tried what is promised in the bible. And what shall I say ... it just works. I trusted that god exists, that he loves me and saves me. I believed that he knows best, whats best for me because he created the world and everything in it, including me. I recognized from what I read, that I had choosen to rebell against him so far, and that I need his present of forgiveness.
It did not take long ... I was changing. Many of my negative traits against which I fighted for long just disappeard. It wasn't even hard. It has nothing to do with asceticism. I'm a happy person, and I enjoy life more then I ever did ^^
This is my personal experience with god ^^ I expect noone to try the same, because it's your personal freedom to choose not to. In the end its your butt <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Although I'm not discounting the possibility that putting total faith in God can cause you to go from bad to good (or just get better), I think it's also possible that this is something of a spiritual placebo effect. It could be argued that it wasn't God doing anything, but your faith that provided the change. Just as believing that you are receiving morphine when you aren't can ease the pain, believing that God is altering you when he isn't can cause you to become a better person.
Not to say it isn't God or anything. I don't want to be hit by a lightning bolt.
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The truth of something is based on personal experiences whether it may be wrong or not: however wrong this may seem. I know you are talking about common objectivity of our senses, but that does not say such a possibility is nullfied even with thousands of alien abduction reports, which is to say is totally irrelevant as to what i am talking about: and that is a definite and pure, personal experience of the absolute, however tainted by our environment; yet even it is through our experiences that some things are made clearer. None-the-less, it is not auto-suggestion, and it does not come about by wishing, or when you expect it. But by grace, through willingness in heart, it comes about when his will says so unexpectedly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is English your first language? This seems like <span style='color:red'>babbling</span> to me.
And to NoArms NoCookies, all I have to say is placebo effect. Attributing you making yourself a better person to God is wrong. Why wouldn't you attribute it to John Travolta? Or a horse at the zoo?
<span style='color:red'>*Edited.* -Talesin</span>
"This topic is now in lock down, please proceed to the nearest exit quickly, containment forces are in route."
*helicopters roar overhead*
Proceed... but keep it low please, Nadagast. Discussion, argumentation, not flames or personal attacks.
It makes me sad, that people start insulting others, when there might be a possibility of any kind of god. This is my experience and the experience of many other people. And theese are no dumb or uneducated people. They used their minds to figure out that there is a god, which guides them through their life.
A placebo effect occurs when you already believe that something does help you. But the people I'm talking about, are people, who had been suspicious about religion, until they tried to make little steps with the intend to prove the religious people wrong.