Ea's Vision Fr The Future

Steel_TrollSteel_Troll Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
<div class="IPBDescription">interesting gamespy article.</div> <a href='http://www.gamespy.com/articles/634/634928p1.html' target='_blank'>http://www.gamespy.com/articles/634/634928p1.html</a>

TBH i think it needs to be restrained. Its becoming a bit too much like Microsoft and Intel, they drive the market and they decide what to inovate. + we all know they make poor developers and coders cry...

have a read..
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  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    Hehehe..... Gamespy... doing an article about another companies lust for power. Bwahaha. (Truth of previous statement may be questioned as the poster did not actually read the whole article.)
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    Hmmmm

    Google should become a games publisher. That'd rock <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    This guy's a businessman, not a gamer. FOAD EA, I say.

    ---

    So they say that people want games with more pixels. BS. It'd be nice, yes. But I'd take a strong gameplay or story element over graphics any day.

    Emotional involvement is all very well, but he should understand that this can be done equally well with the power of imagination or with powerful writing. Yes it's a nice element to invest research in, but it sounds like he's trying to push the idea that this ground-breaking technology is just what we needed. EA should concentrate on the core of their games, not just the superficial.

    He talks about his daughters, who he admits aren't gamers, and then bases design theories around like-minded <b>non-gamers</b>' needs. That sounds like greed to me: the desire to ship as many units as possible, not the desire to set new benchmarks in gaming history and deliver quality to the gamer.

    Love this quote: "[...] I think relative to the size of the market [...]", and the way he calls us "consumers". Since when did I become a <i>consumer</i>?

    <!--QuoteBegin-GameSpy+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GameSpy)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->How do you prevent EA from becoming a victim of its own success?


    <!--QuoteBegin-Entis+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Entis)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's a great question. You ask different people in EA, and I think different people have different answers. To me, it really comes down to this: being motivated by more than simply winning. I think that leads to a very competitive company. I think that the important thing is that everybody at EA finds something that they are motivated by to go beyond just winning.

    For me, I'm a pretty gregarious person, so I'll tell you what motivates me right now. I believe EA is a place where we can have one of the greatest creative communities that I could imagine working at, and I have a place in helping to form and guide that community. There are more great artists, designers, graphics people at EA than any company I ever worked at.

    I would say that each person at EA has got to fall in love with some aspect of the company that goes beyond competition and winning and say: "This is my life's work. This is a personal battle for me to make this the best I can." If as a company we can do that, I don't think we'll ever be a victim of our own success.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->The fact that they simply have more artists doesn't mean they have the cream of the creative crop, and it shows.
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+Jul 20 2005, 06:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ Jul 20 2005, 06:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Love this quote: "[...] I think relative to the size of the market [...]", and the way he calls us "consumers". Since when did I become a <i>consumer</i>?


    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Gee, i dont know, probably when you bought there games? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jul 20 2005, 07:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jul 20 2005, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hmmmm

    Google should become a games publisher. That'd rock <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It would, but they'd become one helluva monopoly.
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Entis(EA dude)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Entis(EA dude))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We know that more pixels will make people want to buy more games.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    WTH? Get outta my industry.
  • TykjenTykjen Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12552Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    EA Warez>EA Retail
  • docchimpydocchimpy Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18266Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 20 2005, 08:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 20 2005, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It would, but they'd become one helluva monopoly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But you forget:

    1) Google is the Light.

    2) Google can do no wrong.

    3) Google is all.

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+Jul 20 2005, 01:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ Jul 20 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]Since when did I become a <i>consumer</i>?[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You've always been one. You work, you earn money, and then you go out and spend that money on goods. You consume. You keep the system running. You're important to the system, but not because of who you are, but because of the consumption that you do. Therefore, you are not a person, but a consumer. You could be a mindless slave barely aware of his own existence - it would not matter. Just keep consuming.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Jul 20 2005, 09:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Jul 20 2005, 09:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Entis(EA dude)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Entis(EA dude))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We know that more pixels will make people want to buy more games.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    WTH? Get outta my industry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This one deserves to be spelled out - Quoted For Truth
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jul 20 2005, 09:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jul 20 2005, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Jul 20 2005, 09:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Jul 20 2005, 09:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Entis(EA dude)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Entis(EA dude))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We know that more pixels will make people want to buy more games.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    WTH? Get outta my industry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This one deserves to be spelled out - Quoted For Truth <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh hell yeah. Quoted For Truth!
  • DiablusDiablus Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15080Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 20 2005, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 20 2005, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You've always been one. You work, you earn money, and then you go out and spend that money on goods. You consume. You keep the system running. You're important to the system, but not because of who you are, but because of the consumption that you do. Therefore, you are not a person, but a consumer. You could be a mindless slave barely aware of his own existence - it would not matter. Just keep consuming. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thank you lolfighter for that lesson in capitalism <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    We'll be alright.

    <a href='http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Electronic+Arts&word2=Google' target='_blank'>Dark vs Light</a>
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    edited July 2005
    What I was trying to get at is that I don't buy a game simply because I can, so I'm not so mindless after all. If you look at a thread in the General Discussions Forum (iirc) you'll see that <u>gamers</u> do quite a bit of research into what they buy (or otherwise procure) beforehand. Very unlike the consumer you were describing. Gamers (used to?) have taste.

    The best films are directed by people who put all their effort into creating a masterpiece in terms of its story or concept. If we follow this through, shouldn't games developers be doing exactly the same thing?

    Entis was the one that made the film industry parallels, you'd think that he and all the members of EA that they'd hired from that area would have seen how investing merely in special effects doesn't always pay off, and when it goes wrong, it goes very, very wrong.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Jul 20 2005, 09:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Jul 20 2005, 09:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Entis(EA dude)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Entis(EA dude))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We know that more pixels will make people want to buy more games.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    WTH? Get outta my industry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree.

    gameplay, story, sound, visuals, creativity, uniqueness, solid controls, hybridization, non-linear, realism/abstraction, compatiable software (easy to install/uninstall and runs stable & efficent on my PC), <i><b>FUN</b></i>!?! etc. Those are qualities that I'd be looking for in a good game.
  • Steel_TrollSteel_Troll Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
    HERE HERE!

    But seriously, i dislike EA more nowerdays. Even how Valve was basicaly forced to go to it for distribushion of HL on Xbox... Sad really.
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    By "was basically forced" you of course mean "passively chose"
  • Steel_TrollSteel_Troll Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
    No, you see it needs to distribute in the Xbox market, EA holds a monopoly in this iirc. Just because it is the main publisher, and has all the $$ to back it up, it would have been stupid for valve to try do it alone or get some other publisher.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    I can't believe he said that pixel ****, why the hell do people keep buying EA's games to make them so strong?

    Am I the only one starting to hate the gaming industry?
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    edited July 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Entis: We're looking forward to working on all of the next gen systems. There's interesting things we'll be able to do with all of them. From my perspective, <b>I'm a graphics guy</b>, so anything that's going to get better graphics and higher presentation of graphics I'm looking forward to.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This is not a good sign.


    Edit: For some reason, when I saw "EA's Vision for the Future" this image appeared in my mind:
    <img src='http://www.hlfallout.net/images/content/enemies/stalker.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Jul 21 2005, 10:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Jul 21 2005, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is not a good sign.


    Edit: For some reason, when I saw "EA's Vision for the Future" this image appeared in my mind:
    <img src='http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/images/6/66/Stalker.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why do you think I'm not buying an XBox 360 or PS3?

    I dislike their "OMG GRAPHICS F1RST!" attitude.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jul 21 2005, 10:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jul 21 2005, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why do you think I'm not buying an XBox 360 or PS3?
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because they're not out yet?
  • Steel_TrollSteel_Troll Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
    This guy sounds like a buisness bloke who said
    "Tell me!! Tell me now!! Im getting interviewed soon!! What do gamers want???
    To which some researcher says; "Well there is graphics and then... "
    "Yess thats it! Enough, be gone! I will rally the gaming masses by showing them i like the good graphics!11oneeleven!! More, i shall give them more!!.. Kilroy, get me my cigar." "Yes saah, pardon my saa, here saah."
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    one reason i believe that ea could never have the entire pc market is that ea is incapable of creating a next generation game. it takes time, money, and enjoyment of the game to do this, and ea only has money. they strip their developers of any enjoyment, and force harsh deadlines onto them.

    in the end there is no possible way that they could come out with something spectacular that would revolutionize the industry, only what is expected of the market.

    companies like valve, or ID will always be around to push the advancement of the industry, ea will not.

    if ea were to buy out one of these next generation companies, they would be doing nothing but hindering the market as they put tight restraints onto a team that needs artistic freedom.
  • BadKarmaBadKarma The Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7 Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8260Members
    All you folks that are saying "More pixels=better is BS", you got to understand that while most people here would agree with you, most people here represent a small portion of hardcore types. The average cat with a PS2 and fifty bucks is gonna go for the newest, prettiest Halo knockoff, as opposed to the thoughtful and story rich RPG or somesuch.
  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    Indeed, mainstream goes for looks as opposed to content in the short term. And short term is what these companies such as EA are looking at.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Damn the Casual Gaming Race, they should serve us, their true masters.
  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    But we owe the casual gaming race for the rise in the gaming industry.

    Although we should blame them as well for supporting all these crappy movie tie-in games that EA does. I mean EA KNOWS that these movie tie-in games have only a lifespan of like a few months or more if the movie was successful? Yet EA makes it because of that short term demand. C&C Generals is a prime example of shor term. On the surface is quite amazing for its time but as you play its utter crap and buggy

    There are so few companies that now look at the long term. Companies like Valve and Blizzard are those few that actually look at several years and support their communities.

    EA game companies don't give crap after a year or two cos they rather you keep buying the darn sequels they make.
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Liku+Jul 21 2005, 05:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jul 21 2005, 05:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can't believe he said that pixel ****, why the hell do people keep buying EA's games to make them so strong?

    Am I the only one starting to hate the gaming industry? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because they publish like 90% of all games?
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I stopped reading when it turned out he just figured out how important emotional investment is...

    this guy makes real game designers weep.
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