Japanese Horror

CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
edited July 2005 in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">omg dracula lol</div> EDIT: Got too carried away.

It seems more Japanese horror movies such as The Ring and the Grudge are showing up in the US. Japanese horrors tend to have a different approach then most horrors that involve monsters, such as Elm Street or Chainsaw people. What is scarier, the US or Japanese horrors? And why?

Personally, I feel the Japanese horrors due to the fact most of it is left up to the imagination. The "monsters" aren't really there that long, but long enough for your mind to wander into what could happen next. The US horrors portray monsters as living entities, things you can kill, which I find less scary.

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  • Mr_JeburtOMr_JeburtO Join Date: 2003-08-29 Member: 20340Members
    erm....................what?
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Definantly not a discussion topic. Off to offtopic!
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    Why would it not be discussion? I intended to discuss, most off-topic
    threads tend to derail rather quickly, and things in the discussion forums
    doesn't always have to be evolution, war, politics and all that stuff...

    I'll start off, do you think The Ring or the Grudge was a good horror
    movie in the sense that it instilled fear into you...
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    I demand pictures for explanation.
  • CxwfCxwf Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13168Members, Constellation
    I'd sort of agree that the Japanese are better at horror--but I don't really know why, so I don't have much to add to the discussion. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Jul 18 2005, 11:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Jul 18 2005, 11:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and things in the discussion forums
    doesn't always have to be evolution, war, politics and all that stuff... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They do. It keeps all that crap out of here.
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    edited July 2005
    Why Pictures? Pictures of what, too?

    EDIT: Asshat removed

    Well, I think they seem to be better, cause of imagination. The monster films identify what the monster is, and how do kill it. Ghost films tend to have no rational explanation and your head ends up creating a scary looking picture...

    <img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Tsaiyao/demonstration.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rob+Jul 18 2005, 10:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ Jul 18 2005, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Definantly not a discussion topic. Off to offtopic! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its just not a discussions topic unless someones feelings are being hurt <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BuggyBuggy Join Date: 2003-11-08 Member: 22400Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364385/' target='_blank'>here</a>'s one of the japanese horror movies he was talking about. The actual "eek" moments were awesome, the whole movie confused me though. Imagine watching Ridley Scott's Alien, without the scenes that explain/deepen plot/characters, where everyone dies in a random order. Still, for something that's supposed to scare you, it does an awesome job.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    I find horror movies funny.
  • illhillh Join Date: 2004-08-31 Member: 31104Members
    I found "Ringu" (japanese The Ring), to be less of a horror and more of a suspense mystery.
  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    I LIKE **** SUCKING **** ****
  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Jul 18 2005, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Jul 18 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would it not be discussion? I intended to discuss, most off-topic
    threads tend to derail rather quickly, and things in the discussion forums
    doesn't always have to be evolution, war, politics and all that stuff...

    I'll start off, do you think The Ring or the Grudge was a good horror
    movie in the sense that it instilled fear into you... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because there is no discussion - Japanese horrors are better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    So much tension, so much build-up, and generally nothing held back on the horrifying reality of the conclusion. Western horrors are all about scary imagry and 'the big baddie', with lots of focus on keeping the story going with 'mini shocks' and disturbing things which are very apparent at face value.
    Japanese horrors, in my experience, are a LOT more subtle, and generally are quite passive for a lot of the movie but slowly building up questions and fears without ever fully manifesting them, until the end where something horrible is realised or occurs. I think because all the straight out horror is kept to the end, it makes it much more powerful and less desensitising.

    Haven't finished, but gotta go...hate to run out in the middle of a post <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    It was moved from discussion because you didn't post a reason to discuss anything in your first, unedited post. You merely expressed your opinion and hit submit. Now that you have a clear direction for discussion to go, I'll move it back.

    Discussion means you express an opinion or topic, and indicate a question for people to ponder over. "Japanese horror is freaky." Is an offtoic thread, "Why is Japanese horror so freaky? What cultural references and differences bring this up," is a Discussion topic.
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    Yeah, the Ring isn't the only movie, there are japanese and korean versions plus their respective sequels...but, is the reason the movie is scarier because you have no clue what is going on, or because the "monsters" are really wierd perversions of normal life? Cause stuff like Chainsawmen are scary, but compared to something like a rokurokubi, the rokurokubi seems more stealthy and scary for some reason...why?

    <img src='http://koinu.cside.com/images/mizuki-bronze-4/38-rokurokubi.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • HandmanHandman Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Members
    Japanese horror movies in general are not better than american. There are few exceptional ones like "Uzamaki" and "Ju-on", and there is a lot of crap like "Stacey" and The mermaid series. Yes main stream american horror movies have been lacking recently; the last good on was Dawn of the Dead and that wasnt scary, it was just good. The best horror movie to come from Japan is <a href='http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267116/' target='_blank'>Wild Zero</a>
  • LegatLegat Join Date: 2003-07-02 Member: 17868Members
    edited July 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd sort of agree that the Japanese are better at horror--but I don't really know why, so I don't have much to add to the discussion<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Japanese movies are in many aspects superior to Hollywood movies of the present time.
    Hollywood is degraded to churning out popcorn movies. Especially the overuse of CGI technology and the fact that more emphasys is laid on post production than actual filming is a catastrophy. I can count the movies that I actually watched in a movie theatre the last years on my two hands.

    Of course not every japanese movie is a piece of art ....
    But those who are considered exceptional and make it abroad, both anime and real movies, are in their way fascinating.

    My favorite is that the japanese usually avoid the black and white storytelling and the deliberate happy ending which is an obligatory to Hollywood productions.

    The bad guys do have faces and motivations and often are equally well developed that the heroes. In many aspects, the new japanese movie ( japanese movie industry was next to nonexistant in the past 30 years, exept the booming anime market and just recently is coming back to the international scene) reminds me of the young hollywood that revitalised the US movie during the 70s.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The best horror movie to come from Japan is Wild Zero<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah! Wild Zero! Best trash movie since braindead! Strike that! best trash since Army of Darkness.... no strike that too. Best since Bad Taste.... Arrgg best trash EVAR!!!

    Seriously. That flick is so damn bad but it rocks. Watch it drunk, you are going to wet your pants. Not because of fear though....
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    I vote for Japanese films being scarier. Based entirely on that bloody Sadako (spelling?). She/it is the one thing that sticks in my mind, all the time. I was once spooked by an animation of her getting out of the well (the ones that look like a still picture then leap out at you) and I couldn't sleep that night, nor could I be in a dark room for the next week or so.

    I hate that character. So much.
  • illuminexilluminex Join Date: 2004-03-13 Member: 27317Members, Constellation
    I'd say that Japanese films aren't trying to be "extreme" like most American movies. Blood and guts aren't nearly as scary as a ghost coming out of your TV. But then again, a Horror movie isn't always a Scary movie. There's a real difference. In America, we have lots of movies where the premise is usually involving someone massacring people. Massacres really aren't that scary anymore, particularly when the movies have this dark sense of humor about them.

    Japanese ghost movies are generally humorless. They tend to rely more on the suspense and plot than the blood and guts humor of American horror. Some people find American horror movies to be scary, but let's face it: half of us moviegoers aren't scared by most American horror. We are horrified or humored by it.

    In these newer Japanese movies, they show alot more of their characters. We get to know them and go along with them as they solve the mystery of the story. In American horror, we laugh or avert our eyes to some stupid character being killed in a crazy fashion.

    I'd say if you like the suspense and fear brought about by Jap "horror" or "ghost" flicks, than you're obviously going to prefer them.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Wow illuminex really hit the nail on the head I think. I mean, America's approach to horror is to load us up with blood and gore. And, considering how desensitized most of us already are, that really isn't going to have much effect on us.
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    I have YET to SEE a movie that scares me...

    take the ambient sound + music away from a movie... it isn't scary!


    You HEAR a scary movie... not see one.

    Play The Ring, or whatever movie scares you badly, and watch it on mute... with some soft jazz or perhaps "Top Gun- Ride into the Danger Zone" in the background. You wont' be scared, unless you sit 3 inches from the TV screen.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Isn't that just mincing words Bullet? You know perfectly well what we meant by the implicit question "Have you seen any movies that actually scared you?"

    I mean you make a good point, with sound being the most important factor in creating an ambient sense of fear and all though.
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    edited July 2005
    If you haven't seen a scary movie, then you've taken out the sound? Well, obviously if you play music in the background of ANY scary movie, muted or not, it's less scary since it depends on atmospheric sound so much...but honestly, you've never had a movie scare you??

    I was in a Japanese "Haunted House" once:

    2(The Ring + The Grudge)+Psychological Monsters

    No gore, except for a bunch of bloody hand prints on a rag + a disembodied hand. The real scare wasn't the Monsters either, there was like two, one of those long neck human monsters.

    I would have to say this was the most scary due to the sounds generated by the "ghost" and that wierd music that plays in scary movies that sounds like your in a cave or something. Also because you don't SEE the ghost, she isn't an tangible entity, so your imagination needs to take wild guesses where it comes next...not to mention the house itself, it played a MAJOR role in conveying the fear. The right placements of blue lights, green lights, and pulsing red lights made it scary in it's own right...

    EDIT: Now I think about, have any of you every played any Japanese horror games? I've played a single horror game in my life...NS doesn't count, Aliens are more scared of the Marines...
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