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Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Make Poverty History</div> <img src='http://static.technorati.com/pix/partner/live8/u2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Every single day, 30,000 children die, needlessly, of extreme poverty.
On July 6th, we finally have the opportunity to stop that shameful statistic.
8 world leaders, gathered in Scotland for the G8 summit, will be presented with a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair. If these 8 men agree, then we will become the generation that made poverty history.
But they'll only do it if enough people tell them to.
That's why we're staging LIVE 8. 10 concerts, 100 artists, a million spectators, 2 billion viewers, and 1 message... To get those 8 men, in that 1 room, to stop 30,000 children dying every single day of extreme poverty.
We don't want your money - we want you!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what do you think of it?Ive been watching it, and it is
a) good (music wise especialy the london hyde park concert) and
b) carries out a good message and cause
There is a superb lineup including
* African Children's Choir
* Annie Lennox
* Bob Geldof
* Coldplay
* Dido
* Elton John
* Joss Stone
* Keane
* Killers, The
* Madonna
* Mariah Carey
* Ms. Dynamite
* Paul McCartney
* Pink Floyd
* Razorlight
* REM
* Robbie Williams
* Scissor Sisters
* Snoop Dogg
* Snow Patrol
* Stereophonics
* Sting
* Travis
* U2
* UB40
* Velvet Revolver
and thats just in england! Pink floyd reformed just for this!
There is also a add your name to a list thing (petition) sign it! <a href='http://www.live8live.com/list/' target='_blank'>Click!</a>
EDIT: WOW aparently the concerts are being streemed to 70% of the worlds population, and there are over 1 million people at the philadelphia concert, and nearly 300,000 in the london one. Awsomesauce!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Every single day, 30,000 children die, needlessly, of extreme poverty.
On July 6th, we finally have the opportunity to stop that shameful statistic.
8 world leaders, gathered in Scotland for the G8 summit, will be presented with a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair. If these 8 men agree, then we will become the generation that made poverty history.
But they'll only do it if enough people tell them to.
That's why we're staging LIVE 8. 10 concerts, 100 artists, a million spectators, 2 billion viewers, and 1 message... To get those 8 men, in that 1 room, to stop 30,000 children dying every single day of extreme poverty.
We don't want your money - we want you!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what do you think of it?Ive been watching it, and it is
a) good (music wise especialy the london hyde park concert) and
b) carries out a good message and cause
There is a superb lineup including
* African Children's Choir
* Annie Lennox
* Bob Geldof
* Coldplay
* Dido
* Elton John
* Joss Stone
* Keane
* Killers, The
* Madonna
* Mariah Carey
* Ms. Dynamite
* Paul McCartney
* Pink Floyd
* Razorlight
* REM
* Robbie Williams
* Scissor Sisters
* Snoop Dogg
* Snow Patrol
* Stereophonics
* Sting
* Travis
* U2
* UB40
* Velvet Revolver
and thats just in england! Pink floyd reformed just for this!
There is also a add your name to a list thing (petition) sign it! <a href='http://www.live8live.com/list/' target='_blank'>Click!</a>
EDIT: WOW aparently the concerts are being streemed to 70% of the worlds population, and there are over 1 million people at the philadelphia concert, and nearly 300,000 in the london one. Awsomesauce!
Comments
I urge you to read help.<a href='http://www.live8live.com/whatsitabout/index.shtml' target='_blank'>this</a> to actualy see how these concerts will help.
PS: Sign the petition on the first post which will be presented to the leaders, so far over 4 million people have signed. it cant hurt to add another ame on the list !
Bring on Velvet Revolver!
This is a marketing ploy. One of the nicer marketing ploys because it might result in some public awareness, but still, a marketing ploy, and thus largely ineffective at anything but selling images and records.
Now its silly Scissor Sisters on the London show. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm assuming none of you here have any wet dreams that this will actually produce some results...
This is a marketing ploy. One of the nicer marketing ploys because it might result in some public awareness, but still, a marketing ploy, and thus largely ineffective at anything but selling images and records. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not to mention you'd also have to convince the majority of African "governments" to stop slaughtering their neighbors for no better reason than "I don't like them". Relieving their debt might be a good cause, but it won't solve anything.
I'm sure these people mean well, they just don't seem to grasp the disconnect between partying at a concert and ending oppressive genocidal regimes.
I'm assuming none of you here have any wet dreams that this will actually produce some results... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Reasa this is the bigest synchronised concet event in the world. 70 % of the world's population is watching, i assure you the world leaders know whats going on.
Actually, I'm a big supporter of a debt relief. Historically, people are much less likely to fall for the simplistic answers of extremistic regiemes if they are healthy and reasonably wealthy. The debt removal is thus a good first step - it just is not going to change the world over night.
I can't speak for any other countries, but over here Live8 has recieved MASSIVE, MASSIVE, MASSIVE support. If Tony Blair did nothing, he would be commiting political suicide. It set out to raise public awareness, and it looks like it has. Blair has already promised to do his best to convince the other nations to cancel world debt, and Bush has agreed to double the amount of aid sent to the third world.
As for the 'marketing ploy' over here, you would have to try pretty hard to buy any Live8 merchendise. The tickets were free and i have not seen them try to sell anything. The bands are obviously going to use it as free advertisement, but give me a situation in which they wouldn't.
Which is why everyone at live8 is also campainging to free up trade laws, so Africa and other third world countries can actually have their own proper thriving economy.
I'm not watching.
What makes you so sure these guys know/care about this in any way shape or form?
These guys have the loudest most mind numbing concert of all time blaring their ears 24/7, its called Bureaucracy, and I highly doubt Bono and Brad Pitt can put a dent in it.
Opening trade regulations completely - which means that the immensely more potent western economy can finally and utterly step into the market places - is supposed to create thriving mini economies? Oh, that's rich.
There are few situations in which I support economic protectionism (and both the European agrar policies and the US' steel tolls do not fall into that category), but in the case of fledging economic systems, any other course of action is a deathspell.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nem you're pretty pessimistic arent you. This is better than doing nothing at all, and whatever you think about the whole thing, It has saved lives.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pessimistic? I support Attac, fair trade initiatives, and like the sound of a few of the UN's latest grass roots campaigns. I do not believe that Africa is beyond help, I do not believe that it isn't worth our while. I just say that this is - whatever Bono tells us - not even aiming to remedy the situation. This is a promo action. If you enjoy it as such, more power to you. But do not believe for a second that this initiative is fit to change the situation for the better in any lasting way.
If lives have been saved by it - wonderful. I just note that it won't achieve its goal, and that the money spent on this concert, invested into grass root campaigns, would have likely saved more people.
why not eliminate the entire concept of money and give needed goods to those in dire need?
Because there is a vastly greater amount of limited goods than there is consensus of how to distribute it. Whatever you say about our basic economic principles, they still work better at distributing goods after their necessity than any other system so far devised.
^_^
Because there is a vastly greater amount of limited goods than there is consensus of how to distribute it. Whatever you say about our basic economic principles, they still work better at distributing goods after their necessity than any other system so far devised. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
limited goods? Not everyone needs a H2 hummer to drive 2 blocks away for cheezeits.
Food. water. shelter. If these people need jobs then put some money into a project that hires the same people in need to build/work-in these basic facilities to provide for them.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I just note that it won't achieve its goal, and that the money spent on this concert, invested into grass root campaigns, would have likely saved more people.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yarrr... ninja edits make the gorge sad... <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
1- It's got great music. Just like Queen did the great show back in 85. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
2- It may be somewhat profitable to the bands,but familiarity enforces the message further still. They are part of a day that will hopefully mark a key moment when the world decided to pay attention to poverty in Africa. (bar the summit itself)
Ending poverty will take time,but it's things like Live 8 that make people f**king listen to the plight of others outside their own personal lifes.
Madonna quoted this well,saying she initially was too busy to come,but she came for the good cause deeper within.
Bring on the Kaiser Chiefs!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes, the divide in wealth between first and third world are staggerring. But it's not as easy as to take indiscriminately away from the ones and give indiscriminately to the others. The one side has to be tweaked to produce little resistance from the givers (i.e., hit portions of our wealth that are subjectively expendable) and of the greatest possible use to the receivers.
Why not declare rainbows as the new currency and make sadness illegal?
Now watch me shoot a unicorn out of my ****! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I usually refrain from comments to this tune, but...
Owned tbh.
Debt relief sounds like a good idea. After all, we're never going to have those debts repaid, so we might as well forget about them, right? Unfortunately, there's the matter of rents. Rents which have to be paid annually, and allows the western banks to bleed the indebted countries dry. That well of money would dry up if the debts were cancelled. I doubt the banks will allow it.
After all, the banks tend to be stock companies. Stock companies are these big corporate entities owned by lots and lots of people, all of which are in it for the money. The stock owners want to see profit, and if they don't get their profit, they dump their stock, which is really bad news for the company. So in short, the stock companies want to make money at all costs, and if a few (million) unimportant africans starve to death, who gives a ****?
So while I think it IS a good idea, it'll be really hard to get it done. I don't see how, really.