WoW <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> and the BF2demo, gonna have to wait after the weekend so I can buy BF2, GF6600GT ftw!.
Sweet sweet NS, best game ever, yet I found <s>marihuana</s> WoW.
I play about the same amount of times on both games.
I like both games for :
1) Ns was the first game I had found where teamwork was realy being used compared to all the other games I played. I like playing both teams.
2) BF2 has the potential to be a great teamwork game but so far, the squad I joined didn't realy play as teamwork. My guess is because 80% of the players don't even understand that being a squad and working as a team will give you meaningfull points compared to a non-squad rambo player or compared to a squad of lonely rambos. I started a squad of my own (alone so far) to learn more about squad tasks. This is also the type of game that my brother loves and I am trying to convince him to buy it so I can have him in my squad. Also, strangely enough, no one is using the mic.
Also, since NS is older then BF2, there are less noobs in NS then BF2. But i still find it amusing when in NS someone starts calling me a hacker just because i was hanging on the ceilling and kept parasiting him to death while he couldn't find me.
I like BF2 alot, but the lag is a serious, serious problem. I cant hit anything due to the delay of me shooting, and the server getting the message that I shot (my ping is usually 20, so its not me.)
BF2 is okay, but I don't get much in teamwork points for piloting jets and thats what I love most. That and co-piloting the F-15 for its sexy bombing capabilities.
<!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jul 4 2005, 12:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jul 4 2005, 12:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> GameSpy Live Stats 192,921 gamers are online right now Game Players <b>• Half Life 43,906 </b> • Half Life 2 38,932 <b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b> • Call of Duty 12,551 • Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714 • Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back.
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
EA have a killer concept with BF2, so I'm not surprised.
NarfwakJoin Date: 2002-11-02Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 3 2005, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 3 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BF2 is okay, but I don't get much in teamwork points for piloting jets and thats what I love most. That and co-piloting the F-15 for its sexy bombing capabilities. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait, huh? I thought the F-15 was an Air Force air superiority fighter, not a USMC fighter-bomber. You sure it isn't a misnamed F-18?
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 4 2005, 12:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 4 2005, 12:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jul 4 2005, 12:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jul 4 2005, 12:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> GameSpy Live Stats 192,921 gamers are online right now Game Players <b>• Half Life 43,906 </b> • Half Life 2 38,932 <b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b> • Call of Duty 12,551 • Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714 • Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no. I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them.
<!--QuoteBegin-motsew+Jul 4 2005, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (motsew @ Jul 4 2005, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Give BF2 time, anyone who played BF1942 from the start will remember that v1.0 was fairly poor, now, after some patches, it is a brilliant game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope they will fix the lag issues, especially the lag that makes your view skip back and forth, stutter, and not respond, making aiming absolutely impossible.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wait, huh? I thought the F-15 was an Air Force air superiority fighter, not a USMC fighter-bomber. You sure it isn't a misnamed F-18? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The F-15 is quite multi-role, along with a bunch of the other American-built aircraft. The F-15E, the variant shown in Battlefield2, is the main strike variant used in air-to-ground attacks. Actually, you'll be fairly hard-pressed to find United States fighter aircraft that are absolutely unable to fufill multiple roles along with air superiority. Though, you're definitely right that the F-15 is used more in the Air Force than the Marines. I think the Navy and Marines are more partial to the F-18 on aircraft carriers.
The BF2 team did extensive research on real-world vehicles, so I wonder how accurate they are about the F-35 Joint-strike fighter, which isn't actually in service yet as far as I know.
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no. I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In this community accurate statistics are frowned upon because one can use that to logically support a point.
Most people here rely on mostly inaccurate, ancedotal information that is presented in a "mature and friendly" manner.
As long as you are eFriendly and provide no empirical evidence (or such empirical data as "50% of the time this happens, because we all know that random conditons in enviornment, whether simulated or real happen in rounded percent numbers ALL the time)your posts should be concurred with fellow board members. Using emotes in #naturalselection will boost your status as well.
However if you are not eFriendly, no matter how much empirical information one has provided with valid interpretations of said data can simply be dismissed even by the higher ups in the community because the presentation does not come wrapped in the "appropriate" wording.
No wonder the NS community is down from 1,200 players at one time, to about 500 (gamespy.com)
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no. I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Im sorry but NS is its own game borrowing the half-life engine, Throwing together all of halflife mods is just as similar as clumping all the battlefield games and their mods together.
Lets hope you don't do the strats for FAT in cal or you will not get a single win in the matches
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no. I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Im sorry but NS is its own game borrowing the half-life engine, Throwing together all of halflife mods is just as similar as clumping all the battlefield games and their mods together.
Lets hope you don't do the strats for FAT in cal or you will not get a single win in the matches <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You don't seem to read anything.
Battlefield 2 is not Battlefield1942 or Battlefield:Vietnam. Gamespy's stats list them seperately.
If you want an even more bleak picture of how NS is doing.....here it is...straight from gamespy: Natural Selection <span style='color:yellow'>178 servers, 412 players </span>
Here's Battlefield2 AND ALL IT'S MODS straight from gamespy: Top Mods For Battlefield 2 By Players gpm_cq <span style='color:yellow'>5754 servers, 17396 players </span> sp1 2 servers, 1 players 7 servers, 0 players
Hell........there's even more people playing the battlefield demo right now: Top Mods For Battlefield 2 Demo By Players gpm_cq <span style='color:yellow'>391 servers, 2367 players </span> 1 servers, 0 players
Let's hope you don't create strategies for anything.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 5 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 5 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->rofl, you still don't get what Im trying to say, GG!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think eliotmat was simply making an observation about the number of Half-Life players being down by 30,000 or so, and Battlefield2 seeming to be where they moved to. He wasn't making a flat statement about NS dying because of Battlefield2.
On a side note, are the NS servers really under 200 now? I haven't played in a week, and last time I checked there were almost 400.
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited July 2005
What. So friendlyness is the cause of NS' downfall? Cool, new one in the book. Where do you take it from?
(Also note that non-empirical evidence can apparently also be presented in disruptive ways to aquire credibility.)
And why flame eliomat for presenting toally relevant 3rd party numbers?
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 5 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 5 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> rofl, you still don't get what Im trying to say, GG! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sticking to what I was trying to point out.
The bottom line is that BF2's player base has skyrocketed in the short-term while Natural-Selection's player base has plummeted recently. My evidence is the gamespy playercount display on their home page. I look at these numbers daily.
Whatever you are trying to argue here is not relevant to what my original post was about.
That is all.
I'm sticking to what I was trying to point out.
edit: If you want to take this off-topic in order to sneak in personal attacks that's your problem. You can PM me if you want to talk trash. I'll be more than happy to put you in your place.
<!--QuoteBegin-MistenTH+Jul 1 2005, 11:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MistenTH @ Jul 1 2005, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still love NS and its gameplay, but more and more often when I decide whether to click on steam or BF2, it ends up being BF2.
I'm probably playing only like 10% of the NS i used to due to BF2, and it's been almost a month.
Anyone else behaving the same way? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No.
BF2 is a textbook example of bloated, crappy software. Any game which has a menu that takes 30s+ to load on a modern system with SCSI hard drives has some serious issues. Electronic Arts does not bother to write good, fast code. They're in cahoots with hardware manufacturers to artificially create a need for the NVidia 99,000FX and ATI BS800. People who get suckered by EA deserve severe karmic repercussions, the least of which not being scorn and ridicule.
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Jul 5 2005, 02:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jul 5 2005, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No wonder the NS community is down from 1,200 players at one time, to about 500 (gamespy.com) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ouch. that was not very e-kind of you.
<!--QuoteBegin-dhakbar+Jul 5 2005, 09:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dhakbar @ Jul 5 2005, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BF2 is a textbook example of bloated, crappy software. Any game which has a menu that takes 30s+ to load on a modern system with SCSI hard drives has some serious issues. Electronic Arts does not bother to write good, fast code. They're in cahoots with hardware manufacturers to artificially create a need for the NVidia 99,000FX and ATI BS800. People who get suckered by EA deserve severe karmic repercussions, the least of which not being scorn and ridicule.
Fool! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, BF2 does not require the 'ultimate latest hardware' at all. It runs like a champ on my 2 year old laptop*. Menus take 2 seconds to open, levels load in two minutes, and I can run the game on medium 1024x768 at a buttery smooth 60FPS. I think it's YOUR rig having problems, not the game.
Admitably I've played a lot more BF2 than NS since I picked it up, but that's more due to general emptyness in good NS servers as opposed to a personal preference. Given the choice I'd always join a solid game of 7v6 NS classic as opposed to a BF2 game, but I'd also rather play BF2 than seed an empty server.
puzlThe Old FirmJoin Date: 2003-02-26Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However if you are not eFriendly, no matter how much empirical information one has provided with valid interpretations of said data can simply be dismissed even by the higher ups in the community because the presentation does not come wrapped in the "appropriate" wording.
No wonder the NS community is down from 1,200 players at one time, to about 500 (gamespy.com)
I find it ironic that you lecture people on interpretation of arguments and proceed to confuse a correlation with a causation in the next line. It's a basic logical fallacy and you walked into it with your eyes open. Furthermore, you have pretty much made a stencil copy of the type of post you attempted to criticise.
I think only a fool would argue that NS is more popular than BF2. I for one know what game I'll be playing, and I know of plenty places to do that with likeminded people.
Your basic strategy is this FireWater:
Anything you don't like about the NS community is blamed for the problems within the competitive community and ns in general.
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Sweet sweet NS, best game ever, yet I found <s>marihuana</s> WoW.
I had first tried the BF2 demo and loved it.
Loved it so much I baught the retail game.
I play about the same amount of times on both games.
I like both games for :
1) Ns was the first game I had found where teamwork was realy being used compared to all the other games I played. I like playing both teams.
2) BF2 has the potential to be a great teamwork game but so far, the squad I joined didn't realy play as teamwork. My guess is because 80% of the players don't even understand that being a squad and working as a team will give you meaningfull points compared to a non-squad rambo player or compared to a squad of lonely rambos. I started a squad of my own (alone so far) to learn more about squad tasks. This is also the type of game that my brother loves and I am trying to convince him to buy it so I can have him in my squad. Also, strangely enough, no one is using the mic.
Also, since NS is older then BF2, there are less noobs in NS then BF2. But i still find it amusing when in NS someone starts calling me a hacker just because i was hanging on the ceilling and kept parasiting him to death while he couldn't find me.
192,921 gamers are online right now
Game Players
<b>• Half Life 43,906 </b>
• Half Life 2 38,932
<b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b>
• Call of Duty 12,551
• Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714
• Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players.
192,921 gamers are online right now
Game Players
<b>• Half Life 43,906 </b>
• Half Life 2 38,932
<b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b>
• Call of Duty 12,551
• Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714
• Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back.
Wait, huh? I thought the F-15 was an Air Force air superiority fighter, not a USMC fighter-bomber. You sure it isn't a misnamed F-18?
192,921 gamers are online right now
Game Players
<b>• Half Life 43,906 </b>
• Half Life 2 38,932
<b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b>
• Call of Duty 12,551
• Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714
• Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no.
I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them.
I hope they will fix the lag issues, especially the lag that makes your view skip back and forth, stutter, and not respond, making aiming absolutely impossible.
The F-15 is quite multi-role, along with a bunch of the other American-built aircraft. The F-15E, the variant shown in Battlefield2, is the main strike variant used in air-to-ground attacks. Actually, you'll be fairly hard-pressed to find United States fighter aircraft that are absolutely unable to fufill multiple roles along with air superiority. Though, you're definitely right that the F-15 is used more in the Air Force than the Marines. I think the Navy and Marines are more partial to the F-18 on aircraft carriers.
The BF2 team did extensive research on real-world vehicles, so I wonder how accurate they are about the F-35 Joint-strike fighter, which isn't actually in service yet as far as I know.
192,921 gamers are online right now
Game Players
<b>• Half Life 43,906 </b>
• Half Life 2 38,932
<b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b>
• Call of Duty 12,551
• Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714
• Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no.
I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In this community accurate statistics are frowned upon because one can use that to logically support a point.
Most people here rely on mostly inaccurate, ancedotal information that is presented in a "mature and friendly" manner.
As long as you are eFriendly and provide no empirical evidence (or such empirical data as "50% of the time this happens, because we all know that random conditons in enviornment, whether simulated or real happen in rounded percent numbers ALL the time)your posts should be concurred with fellow board members. Using emotes in #naturalselection will boost your status as well.
However if you are not eFriendly, no matter how much empirical information one has provided with valid interpretations of said data can simply be dismissed even by the higher ups in the community because the presentation does not come wrapped in the "appropriate" wording.
No wonder the NS community is down from 1,200 players at one time, to about 500 (gamespy.com)
192,921 gamers are online right now
Game Players
<b>• Half Life 43,906 </b>
• Half Life 2 38,932
<b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b>
• Call of Duty 12,551
• Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714
• Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no.
I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im sorry but NS is its own game borrowing the half-life engine, Throwing together all of halflife mods is just as similar as clumping all the battlefield games and their mods together.
Lets hope you don't do the strats for FAT in cal or you will not get a single win in the matches
192,921 gamers are online right now
Game Players
<b>• Half Life 43,906 </b>
• Half Life 2 38,932
<b>• Battlefield 2 33,459 </b>
• Call of Duty 12,551
• Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 8,714
• Unreal Tournament 2004 6,923
It seems to be cutting into HL/mod's playtime significantly.......
Sunday afternoons usually see HL/mods having upwards of 70000 players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, if you're going to do that sort of comparison, add in BF1942, Vietnam, and All their mods and give me the numbers back. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
uh, I gave you the numbers posted on gamespy, uh.
I didn't included HL2 with HL did I? no.
I'm not going to include BF:V BF:1942 with Battlefield 2.
edit:
I don't even think you read posts. You just scan for nitpicky things you think you can criticise or refute. Please, go pester another thread. I was simply pointing out the increased number of players for BF2 and decreased numbers for HL (which includes all its mods) as per gamespy home page Go argue the numbers with them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im sorry but NS is its own game borrowing the half-life engine, Throwing together all of halflife mods is just as similar as clumping all the battlefield games and their mods together.
Lets hope you don't do the strats for FAT in cal or you will not get a single win in the matches <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't seem to read anything.
Battlefield 2 is not Battlefield1942 or Battlefield:Vietnam. Gamespy's stats list them seperately.
If you want an even more bleak picture of how NS is doing.....here it is...straight from gamespy: Natural Selection
<span style='color:yellow'>178 servers, 412 players </span>
Here's Battlefield2 AND ALL IT'S MODS straight from gamespy:
Top Mods For Battlefield 2 By Players
gpm_cq
<span style='color:yellow'>5754 servers, 17396 players </span>
sp1
2 servers, 1 players
7 servers, 0 players
Hell........there's even more people playing the battlefield demo right now:
Top Mods For Battlefield 2 Demo By Players
gpm_cq
<span style='color:yellow'>391 servers, 2367 players </span>
1 servers, 0 players
Let's hope you don't create strategies for anything.
I think eliotmat was simply making an observation about the number of Half-Life players being down by 30,000 or so, and Battlefield2 seeming to be where they moved to. He wasn't making a flat statement about NS dying because of Battlefield2.
On a side note, are the NS servers really under 200 now? I haven't played in a week, and last time I checked there were almost 400.
(Also note that non-empirical evidence can apparently also be presented in disruptive ways to aquire credibility.)
And why flame eliomat for presenting toally relevant 3rd party numbers?
I'm sticking to what I was trying to point out.
The bottom line is that BF2's player base has skyrocketed in the short-term while Natural-Selection's player base has plummeted recently. My evidence is the gamespy playercount display on their home page. I look at these numbers daily.
Whatever you are trying to argue here is not relevant to what my original post was about.
That is all.
I'm sticking to what I was trying to point out.
edit: If you want to take this off-topic in order to sneak in personal attacks that's your problem. You can PM me if you want to talk trash. I'll be more than happy to put you in your place.
I'm probably playing only like 10% of the NS i used to due to BF2, and it's been almost a month.
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No.
BF2 is a textbook example of bloated, crappy software. Any game which has a menu that takes 30s+ to load on a modern system with SCSI hard drives has some serious issues. Electronic Arts does not bother to write good, fast code. They're in cahoots with hardware manufacturers to artificially create a need for the NVidia 99,000FX and ATI BS800. People who get suckered by EA deserve severe karmic repercussions, the least of which not being scorn and ridicule.
Fool!
I know I have.
ouch. that was not very e-kind of you.
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Dude, BF2 does not require the 'ultimate latest hardware' at all. It runs like a champ on my 2 year old laptop*. Menus take 2 seconds to open, levels load in two minutes, and I can run the game on medium 1024x768 at a buttery smooth 60FPS. I think it's YOUR rig having problems, not the game.
*3.2 Ghz P4
1 gig ram
Mobility Radeon 9700
60 GB 7200 RPM HD.
-Brackhar
However if you are not eFriendly, no matter how much empirical information one has provided with valid interpretations of said data can simply be dismissed even by the higher ups in the community because the presentation does not come wrapped in the "appropriate" wording.
No wonder the NS community is down from 1,200 players at one time, to about 500 (gamespy.com)
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I find it ironic that you lecture people on interpretation of arguments and proceed to confuse a correlation with a causation in the next line. It's a basic logical fallacy and you walked into it with your eyes open. Furthermore, you have pretty much made a stencil copy of the type of post you attempted to criticise.
I think only a fool would argue that NS is more popular than BF2. I for one know what game I'll be playing, and I know of plenty places to do that with likeminded people.
Your basic strategy is this FireWater:
Anything you don't like about the NS community is blamed for the problems within the competitive community and ns in general.