Define Admin Abuse

Slavak · June 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">cause im sure this isnt it</div> Ok, small ns game on hera, 3 vs 3.

Some guy goes onos, I tell him thats not really on in a small game and that he should kill
himself and go fade or something, he ignores me, so I tell him to suicide or get kicked. again he ignores me and goes on raping my base. so finally I kick him. he comes back and goes fade, no hard feelings.

But then this other guy, who has rcon on the main server in nz (which I hardly play on now cause I have my own and it has **** pings/connection anyway) threatins to ban me from the server hes got rcon. I tell him he "can do what he wants I never play on that **** server anyway" so goes ahead and calles me an admin abuser.
I tell him "/care" and that shuts him up for a while.

Then later on we finally get jps. By that time they have 2 fades, both good, and he throws another nut at me and calls me a hippocrit(sp?)

am I an abusing admin?

sorry for the length <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

sargey · June 2005

To me i would say you we're not admin abusing, because you kicked him for a reason, and that wasn't a stupid reason, to me that was a good reason because it is pretty lame.

I reckon admin abusing is someone using there powers, when they are not needed at all.

not a very long answer but anyway.

Vadakill · June 2005

If that's what happened and you didnt' leave anything out, then I would say, "whatever man" and dismiss the whole thing. I've found the world full of childish people who want nothing better then to one-up the person who "did them wrong"; "if you kick me, well then I'll ban you" and so forth.

Slavak · June 2005

Well the problem wasnt with the guy who onosed, it was with someone who was **** cause I kicked his onos

TOmekki · June 2005

you shouldve changed to combat if it was a 3 vs 3

Slavak · June 2005

The server is normally perma faceoff due to a lack of map cycle (new server)

i jsut changed it because there were about 10 ppl, most of them left on mapchange

Link · June 2005

We actually have a rule on our server (The rules display when you join) that you may not onos when it is 4v4 or less. However, if we see an onos in such a case, we offer them a chance to suicide, then slay. If we have to slay them more than once, we kick them.

Besides, its not abuse if you warn them and give them a chance, which you did. As for this other admin, he is an abuser, in which case you wouldn't want to play on his server anyway.

Depot · June 2005

If your server's plain vanilla then you shouldn't have any restrictions. If you want certain weapons or classes blocked or limited then you should install amxx plugins to do so (links in my siggy).

That's my oppinion, we welcome yours. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

SentrySteve · June 2005

There is no real such thing as "admin abuse" as admins generally own the servers so they can run them however they want. That said, you can be pretty dumb with admin and it looks like you were. Slaying onoses then allowing yourselves JPs directly effects gameplay, which I think a "good admin" should never do. Its my understanding that an admins role is to maintain peace on the server; (kick / ban / change map) not change the way the game would have come out.

Obviously you probably disagree with me - but it doesn't really matter since you're an admin on your server so you can do whatever you want.

GiGaBiTe · June 2005

instead of kicking him, you probably should have either slayed him, or forced him to evolve into a different lifeform.

but theres always whiners out there that dont like following the rules, and when someone makes them, the gripe about it.

sargey · June 2005

This is some good information for me guys, thanks!

Link · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 29 2005, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If your server's plain vanilla then you shouldn't have any restrictions. If you want certain weapons or classes blocked or limited then you should install amxx plugins to do so (links in my siggy).

That's my oppinion, we welcome yours. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
If you know of a plugin that stops onos unless there are 5 marines or more, or they have heavy, please post a link, it would be much better than doing it manually.

Depot · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Link @ Jun 30 2005, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 29 2005, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If your server's plain vanilla then you shouldn't have any restrictions. If you want certain weapons or classes blocked or limited then you should install amxx plugins to do so (links in my siggy).

That's my oppinion, we welcome yours. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
If you know of a plugin that stops onos unless there are 5 marines or more, or they have heavy, please post a link, it would be much better than doing it manually.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
<a href='http://www.modns.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1888' target='_blank'>ClassBlocker, Block Fades, Onos and Heavy</a> is probably as close as you'll get, which blocks heavies, fades, or onos unless there's "X" number of players.

kill4thrills · June 2005

i don't own a server, but as far as i'm concerned admins can do whatever they want with their server since they paid for it. If you are not the owner, but are given admin rights, then as long as you follow the rules set out by the owner, you are not abusing admin powers.

Depot · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Jun 30 2005, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i don't own a server, but as far as i'm concerned admins can do whatever they want with their server since they paid for it. If you are not the owner, but are given admin rights, then as long as you follow the rules set out by the owner, you are not abusing admin powers.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yup, this pretty much sums it up. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

Edge · July 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Jun 30 2005, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i don't own a server, but as far as i'm concerned admins can do whatever they want with their server since they paid for it. If you are not the owner, but are given admin rights, then as long as you follow the rules set out by the owner, you are not abusing admin powers.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Agree. Your server traffic depends on the attitude and actions of your admins. Good servers will tighten the noose on bans. Of course there are times when kicks / bans need to happen.

Question is, who do you want to please? Pubs or your regulars. You will attract what you project.

Hope that helps.

DarkFrost · July 2005

Only when and if an admin causes my client to do something, or alters data in my configs (breaking a law in my country by the way ^.^) is it admin abusing, kicking and banning is all part of running a server - forcing someones config by an execclient command or whatever is wrong.

NCSU-Locutus_Zero · July 2005

A few points:
-I hate it when people tell me not to go onos. Voluntary nerfing is lame. It's not very different from saying "don't kill the ip! let them live".
-If there is an imbalance, it should be addressed in-game. If you can't wait for an update or don't think it will be addressed, that mod looks like a good idea (though I'd rather stats be changed or something, instead of just NOT being able to be onos unless x-number of people are there).
-Of course an admin has the right to do whatever he wants on his server, but the question is "is what I'm doing lame?" I was admin on this server that a clan-mate owned. I found out he was kicking people out of co games for using both focus and cloaking. See, he liked to rambo, and that wasn't helping him out. I quickly handed back my admin privlages.

Swiftspear · July 2005

I don't like servers that don't have set rules, too much grey area to cover. IMHO admin abuse is any time an admin uses a command to help his own team when the player on the receiving end isn't breaking a rule. Although something like 3v3 onosing could even fall under a rule like "play fair" or something like that. You do not have to be really specific...

Either way, I think it's pretty lame to ban someone on your own server for admin abuse on thier server, unless it's straight up myg0t style stuff.

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