Self Replicating Robots

NikonNikon Join Date: 2003-09-29 Member: 21313Members, Constellation
edited May 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">WTH.....</div> [URL=http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2005-05-11T172158Z_01_L10276595_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-ROBOTS-DC.XMLSelf Replicating Robots[/URL]

hasnt scifi already proved this to potentially be a HORRIBLE idea?



lookdown, jimmeh linked it

<a href='http://www.mae.cornell.edu/ccsl/research/selfrep/video/4x4ht4a.wmv' target='_blank'>MOVIE!</a>
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  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    cant load the page.
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/05/11/robots.reproduce.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest' target='_blank'>;D</a>
    <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4538547.stm' target='_blank'>;o</a>
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  • Fog_cartoonsFog_cartoons Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20658Members
    That is so strange...

    Do they have arms to actually pick up the pieces and put them together? Because at the moment all I see is a cube on top of another cube
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    Meh, it's just like putting blocks together, it's not really replicating itself...

    Now, if you could give a robot raw materials (non manufactured parts like copper, iron, aluminum, silicon etc, and it could replicate itself from that, then I'd be scared.
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  • NikonNikon Join Date: 2003-09-29 Member: 21313Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+May 12 2005, 09:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ May 12 2005, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Meh, it's just like putting blocks together, it's not really replicating itself...

    Now, if you could give a robot raw materials (non manufactured parts like copper, iron, aluminum, silicon etc, and it could replicate itself from that, then I'd be scared. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it all starts somewhere.....


    and damnit, if I read a news article about stuff blowing up, or see John Connor's name in the news, im gonna be ****
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  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Members
    John O'Connor its time!

    Get Down!!!
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited May 2005
    This is by no means a Von Nuemann machine. So I don't really think it's as scary as a real self replicating robot.

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  • NikonNikon Join Date: 2003-09-29 Member: 21313Members, Constellation
    added link to movie on top page
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+May 12 2005, 06:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ May 12 2005, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is by no means a Von Nueman machine. So I don't really think it's as scary as a realy self replicating robot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It is hereby decreed that you get lots of cool points for knowing what a Von Neumann machine is.

    I also agree with you - it doesn't replicate itself using surrounding raw materials but pre-made components.

    Come to think of it, I think the nanites in NS are nano-scale Von Neumann machines. I'm pretty sure there are passages desribing how entire solar systems were turned into huge clouds of grey nano-sluge by them. A scary thought.
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    It's funny but when you picture a real Von Nuemann machine you always assume it's going to be nano scale. To the point where it's indistinguishable from human proteins, which also recreate themselves with only the materials provided.

    But a real VN could be <i>any</i> size, right? We could have one as large as a star, and so long as it could devour everything around it and cannibalize the material and recreate another of it's kind, it'd still be one.

    But yeah, raw materials is the key here.
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  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    And this is why Marines in the future are going to be holding "e" to gain access to weapons.
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+May 12 2005, 06:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ May 12 2005, 06:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's funny but when you picture a real Von Nuemann machine you always assume it's going to be nano scale. To the point where it's indistinguishable from human proteins, which also recreate themselves with only the materials provided.

    But a real VN could be <i>any</i> size, right? We could have one as large as a star, and so long as it could devour everything around it and cannibalize the material and recreate another of it's kind, it'd still be one.

    But yeah, raw materials is the key here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, as far as I know, it's not restricted to size, it just has to be self-replicating machine. I always imagined them being either nano-scale or roughly the size of a mobile phone, but they could really be any size, and they don't even have to be restricted to just the self-reproduction function; they can carry out other tasks as well provided that they are still capaplue of self-reproduction.

    Also, I just discovered that the model is actually called a "Universal Constructor", and not a Von Neumann machine, which is actually another model created by Von Neumann, which is "a computing machine that uses a single storage structure to hold both the set of instructions on how to perform the computation and the data required or generated by the computation." Confusingly, both concepts picked up the name.
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Insane+May 12 2005, 02:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insane @ May 12 2005, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, I just discovered that the model is actually called a "Universal Constructor", and not a Von Neumann machine, which is actually another model created by Von Neumann, which is "a computing machine that uses a single storage structure to hold both the set of instructions on how to perform the computation and the data required or generated by the computation." Confusingly, both concepts picked up the name. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So a Universal Constructor is the term that Nuemann himself used to label these machines, and the term Von Nuemann machine is a more vague one that has to do with computers? Or I guess more specifically computers that store a single set of instructions and the data required by those instructions? That would be a lot of different products we have today. Anything from a mobile phone to an all in one printer.
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  • DY357LXDY357LX Playing since day 1. Still can&#39;t Comm. England Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1651Members, Constellation
    I was thinking about something like this (kind of) whilst walking home.

    We all know what a Sony AIBO is. But I don't know much about what they're capable of. Sure they can play with their toy ball and response slightly to noises but would something like sustaining its own battery be capable?

    I was thinking about it like this.... my Mobile (Cell) phone can detect other phones with BlueTooth within 10 meters. You can buy better Dongles (as they're called) which can do something like 30+ meters. What if the Sony AIBO could detect its own battery charger when it's battery life was low and make its way there to "rest"?
    How awesome would that be?

    It'd be difficult to implement (probably) but it'd still rock.

    (BlueTooth style device detection + simple collision detection = AIBO ftw?)

    Thats the kinda crap that races through my mind whilst on a long walk home. Whilst bopping along to my iPod Mini <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    Yes, basically most modern computers use Von Neumann architecture.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+May 12 2005, 11:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ May 12 2005, 11:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Meh, it's just like putting blocks together, it's not really replicating itself...

    Now, if you could give a robot raw materials (non manufactured parts like copper, iron, aluminum, silicon etc, and it could replicate itself from that, then I'd be scared. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My thoughts exactly.

    Still, it does look and sound awesome. :P

    Oh, and I know what Von Neumann architectures are as well. Where are my cool points?
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