Funny thing is, I dobut a single one of you who are saying that any kind of hunting is bad have ever BEEN hunting to say 'its teh sux0r and th3r3s n0 5ki11!!!111oneeleventy', let alone actually shot anything besides a BB gun. Hunting is fun, plus it keeps the animal population down so they dont starve themselfs/run out into the road and destroy your $30,000 brand new car. I almost hit a bunch of deer the other day, I cant stand the things :/
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+May 9 2005, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ May 9 2005, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That 94 ban was allowed to sunset a couple months ago.
You ever actually been hunting Status? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> heh unless you live in NY <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> where they adopted it as state law.
oh well. good thing I dont live there anymore. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well I <b>think</b> the whole thing about the ban started when the "hunters/players" started to use grenade launchers, chainguns, and flamethrowers. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes, actually, I have been hunting. Or rather, been out with my grandfather when he was hunting. I was 15 at the time, so I wasn't allowed to have a license (even if I wanted one). Sitting in a tower with an orange vest for a couple of hours and then shooting a raindeer was not the most exciting time I've ever had, though the walks in the forest was okay I suppose. He usually went out and shot one per year and put the meat in the freezer.
Does it matter? My opinion that killing things for fun is wrong is no less valid regardless of whether I've done it or not.
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+May 9 2005, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ May 9 2005, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+May 9 2005, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ May 9 2005, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What? Everyone are still using bolt-action or muzzle-loaded rifles? As for opposable thumbs, I'm thinking the size, strength and endurance of a bear is a fair trade for thumbs in a one on one situation. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes. Some folks use bolt actions, lever actions, shotguns of various types. The percentage of folks using semi-automatic weapons is slim. No one is using automatic weapons, that would be any number of felonies. And the idea of opposable thumbs is that we don't get into straight fights. We dig a hole with pointy sticks at the bottom, or chase them off a cliff, or drown them in a river. I doubt many homo sapiens have just had at their prey with a knife.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh. I know several people who [illegally] hunt with automatic weapons, and I've just got this gut feeling that New York can't be so different from everywhere else.
<!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+May 10 2005, 03:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ May 10 2005, 03:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, actually, I have been hunting. Or rather, been out with my grandfather when he was hunting. I was 15 at the time, so I wasn't allowed to have a license (even if I wanted one). Sitting in a tower with an orange vest for a couple of hours and then shooting a raindeer was not the most exciting time I've ever had, though the walks in the forest was okay I suppose. He usually went out and shot one per year and put the meat in the freezer.
Does it matter? My opinion that killing things for fun is wrong is no less valid regardless of whether I've done it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because hunting is also a good source of food. Go ahead, try to find moose meat in the supermarket without spending a small fortune, assuming you can even find it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Testament+May 10 2005, 04:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ May 10 2005, 04:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+May 10 2005, 03:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ May 10 2005, 03:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, actually, I have been hunting. Or rather, been out with my grandfather when he was hunting. I was 15 at the time, so I wasn't allowed to have a license (even if I wanted one). Sitting in a tower with an orange vest for a couple of hours and then shooting a raindeer was not the most exciting time I've ever had, though the walks in the forest was okay I suppose. He usually went out and shot one per year and put the meat in the freezer.
Does it matter? My opinion that killing things for fun is wrong is no less valid regardless of whether I've done it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because hunting is also a good source of food. Go ahead, try to find moose meat in the supermarket without spending a small fortune, assuming you can even find it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Aww, come on. If you can rig up a robotic gun that you can shoot over the internet and then arrange for the moose to be hauled back to your house, you can afford to buy it, either from the store or from another hunter.
You know, perhaps you could try actually reading what I'm saying before you jump to conclusions. Or, as an alternative, you could spell out what argument you're involved in, because I don't seem to be included. This is somewhat odd, seeing how you're quoting me and all.
Hunting for sport, cant really see the sport without any opponents, when all they do is sit around camping in the woods with a scoped rifle and waiting for something on 4 legs to come by and kill it. Anyways it was alot worse all those years ago when the the euros invaded Africa and America and after the guns got invented went on a killing spree like it was a playground for over 100 years. As it is now its pretty much controlled.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
Stand hunting has gotten far too much publicity. While it is a popular style, it's like comparing slo-pitch to MLB baseball. I prefer stop and go hunting myself.
Really? Wow. Hey, I guess knocking over tombstones or running people over with your car is a sport too. As long as I find it a pleasant diversion or recreational, that is.
Shooting an animal whose population is large enough to legally be hunted in the first place is perfectly fine. I fail to see the moral argument against killing animals for sport ; sure its not a terribly cute idea, but it doesn't differ from holding them for meat. Both are, to the extent to which we do them, far beyond necessity for survival and in the realm of recreational activitys (eating the product is reacreational, not the holding, which is the business end - well duh). Yeah, I just made an analogy that said eating a burger is the same as shooting a deer and I'm well aware of the irony, don't point it out please.
If you can't handle humans eating animals at all, or to any degree not absolutely necessary, then feel free to lobby against it. Until then, hunting remains legal however and so does the internet. Hunting over the internet is fine and dandy too, its not a moral step up or down. Personally I would find it less exciting - but the sites clientel is mostly people that can't otherwise get the opportunity to hunt, like from oversees, being paralyzed, station in iraq or what have you. Theres no reason a kneejerk reaction to the concept of remote killing should be more important than the ability for these people to pay for a pasttime they enjoy, and which does absolutely no damage, since its operated by a man owning a hunting license and bound by its restrictions.
Anyway, I read about this 2 weeks ago. This has been around a while, it was fairly predictable that this would be distorted enough until it was an actual issue, and then milked for all its political gain. Also, the article from cnn on it is horrible - the site doesn't plan on opening, it is already operational. Furthermore, its not supporters saying that people with disabilitys <i>could</i> use this - its already happened. As stated above, people in remote locations without the opportunity or with debilitating disabilitys use this - like the former paraplegic that spent 8 hours controlling his joystick with his tongue (!) and waiting on prey, until he finally got a clear shot at a dear. He missed twice, and grazed him with the third - the operator had to finally go finish off the wounded animal.
According to the wheelchairbound hunter, he'd never felt "as alive" as he did when taking those shots since his nearly fatal accident.
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You ever actually been hunting Status? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
heh unless you live in NY <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> where they adopted it as state law.
oh well. good thing I dont live there anymore. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Does it matter? My opinion that killing things for fun is wrong is no less valid regardless of whether I've done it or not.
Yes. Some folks use bolt actions, lever actions, shotguns of various types. The percentage of folks using semi-automatic weapons is slim. No one is using automatic weapons, that would be any number of felonies. And the idea of opposable thumbs is that we don't get into straight fights. We dig a hole with pointy sticks at the bottom, or chase them off a cliff, or drown them in a river. I doubt many homo sapiens have just had at their prey with a knife.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh. I know several people who [illegally] hunt with automatic weapons, and I've just got this gut feeling that New York can't be so different from everywhere else.
Does it matter? My opinion that killing things for fun is wrong is no less valid regardless of whether I've done it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because hunting is also a good source of food. Go ahead, try to find moose meat in the supermarket without spending a small fortune, assuming you can even find it.
Does it matter? My opinion that killing things for fun is wrong is no less valid regardless of whether I've done it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because hunting is also a good source of food. Go ahead, try to find moose meat in the supermarket without spending a small fortune, assuming you can even find it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aww, come on. If you can rig up a robotic gun that you can shoot over the internet and then arrange for the moose to be hauled back to your house, you can afford to buy it, either from the store or from another hunter.
The word "sport" firmly covers any type of hunting. Something does not require opponents and/or fair chances to be classified as a sport.
If you can't handle humans eating animals at all, or to any degree not absolutely necessary, then feel free to lobby against it. Until then, hunting remains legal however and so does the internet. Hunting over the internet is fine and dandy too, its not a moral step up or down. Personally I would find it less exciting - but the sites clientel is mostly people that can't otherwise get the opportunity to hunt, like from oversees, being paralyzed, station in iraq or what have you. Theres no reason a kneejerk reaction to the concept of remote killing should be more important than the ability for these people to pay for a pasttime they enjoy, and which does absolutely no damage, since its operated by a man owning a hunting license and bound by its restrictions.
Anyway, I read about this 2 weeks ago. This has been around a while, it was fairly predictable that this would be distorted enough until it was an actual issue, and then milked for all its political gain. Also, the article from cnn on it is horrible - the site doesn't plan on opening, it is already operational. Furthermore, its not supporters saying that people with disabilitys <i>could</i> use this - its already happened. As stated above, people in remote locations without the opportunity or with debilitating disabilitys use this - like the former paraplegic that spent 8 hours controlling his joystick with his tongue (!) and waiting on prey, until he finally got a clear shot at a dear. He missed twice, and grazed him with the third - the operator had to finally go finish off the wounded animal.
According to the wheelchairbound hunter, he'd never felt "as alive" as he did when taking those shots since his nearly fatal accident.