My Crazy Co Map Concept
solcott
Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22307Members
Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22307Members
<div class="IPBDescription">It's crazy, but good. :)</div> I guess I'll start off with the picture I drew, and then I'll get into the explanation of this crazyness.
<img src='http://www.olcottfamily.com/combatconcept.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
1st thing you will probably notice is that the hive and comm chair are in the same room, yes I know your thinking "OMGWTH hive and CC in the same room O_o". The next thing is that the marines dont spawn by the CC, and the aliens dont spawn by the hive, yes it just keeps getting crazier but I'll explain why I think this map would be great.
What I was thinking by separating the aliens from the hive and the marines from the CC, is that design completely removes the element of camping, and forces there to be actual combat in Combat maps because the other team doesnt have to go past you to reach their objective.
The grey areas on the map are lowered maybe 10 feet ish and exitable by elevators A and B, and are basically for the purpose of creating tension on the team by causing a slight delay in their ability to get to the main room and defend/attack (yeah thats crazy too, both teams are attacking AND defending the same room)
The red line in marine start is a door that opens after you use the weld point in the main room, and the purple line is a breakable thing for the aliens to get access to the elevator(like the glass on top of the spaceship in that one frefall map). Obviously skulks/fades/lerks dont need the elevator, but making the breakable have alot of health before it breaks would need a team effort to make onoses useful because they would need the elevator to get out of the lowered alien spawn.
Both Spawn areas are pretty much spawn camp proof, because of the width and length of marine start, marines would be able to shoot at the small bottlenecked marine start exit from way back at the armouries, where they can keep themselves healed. And the aliens would have 2 prebuilt DC's at the alien side bottleneck (inside of the wall so they cant be damaged) to allow them to get out of spawn, and also I placed all the alien spawnpoints right next to the wall so skulks can just run straight up the wall to the exit when they spawn without worrying about spawning right out in the center of an open room to kill the attempted spawncampers who have nowhere to camp from but right next to the DC's, and then either head out or drop back into the lowered area to gestate.
If there is anyone here who could make this map I would love u forever <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://www.olcottfamily.com/combatconcept.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
1st thing you will probably notice is that the hive and comm chair are in the same room, yes I know your thinking "OMGWTH hive and CC in the same room O_o". The next thing is that the marines dont spawn by the CC, and the aliens dont spawn by the hive, yes it just keeps getting crazier but I'll explain why I think this map would be great.
What I was thinking by separating the aliens from the hive and the marines from the CC, is that design completely removes the element of camping, and forces there to be actual combat in Combat maps because the other team doesnt have to go past you to reach their objective.
The grey areas on the map are lowered maybe 10 feet ish and exitable by elevators A and B, and are basically for the purpose of creating tension on the team by causing a slight delay in their ability to get to the main room and defend/attack (yeah thats crazy too, both teams are attacking AND defending the same room)
The red line in marine start is a door that opens after you use the weld point in the main room, and the purple line is a breakable thing for the aliens to get access to the elevator(like the glass on top of the spaceship in that one frefall map). Obviously skulks/fades/lerks dont need the elevator, but making the breakable have alot of health before it breaks would need a team effort to make onoses useful because they would need the elevator to get out of the lowered alien spawn.
Both Spawn areas are pretty much spawn camp proof, because of the width and length of marine start, marines would be able to shoot at the small bottlenecked marine start exit from way back at the armouries, where they can keep themselves healed. And the aliens would have 2 prebuilt DC's at the alien side bottleneck (inside of the wall so they cant be damaged) to allow them to get out of spawn, and also I placed all the alien spawnpoints right next to the wall so skulks can just run straight up the wall to the exit when they spawn without worrying about spawning right out in the center of an open room to kill the attempted spawncampers who have nowhere to camp from but right next to the DC's, and then either head out or drop back into the lowered area to gestate.
If there is anyone here who could make this map I would love u forever <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Comments
- Pillars for Aliens to hide behind and also allow them quick access to the ceiling. These should be designed in such a way that Skulks can smoothly move onto the ceiling from the vertical.
- A network of vents above the room, allowing Aliens to drop down in whichever place in the room they want. This would keep Marines on their toes and eliminate them simply concentrating their fire on the Hive and incoming defenders.
The main thing you have to remember when making a Combat map for NS is that the map must promote both teams to attack and defend to win the map. Maps that always end in one team defending more than the other won't give good results for the player or mapper.
also i dont think it would be unbalanced towards marines because most of the action would happen around these two doors here
<img src='http://www.olcottfamily.com/doorhive.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
and i purposely have those doors close to the hive so the aliens would be getting healed when they are by the doors.
The weld point would have to take quite a long time otherwise the 'rines would weld it and just forget about those doors. That said the PG exit does look a bit cramped. Who knows? Maybe it would work.
The weld point would have to take quite a long time otherwise the 'rines would weld it and just forget about those doors. That said the PG exit does look a bit cramped. Who knows? Maybe it would work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
its supposed to be cramped, i wanted the whole map to be small and cramped like this forcing you to move constantly what i was thinking was the hallways are just wide enough for an onos to walk through/the exact same width as the exit phasegate.
its not exactly "traditional" ns gameplay i had in mind. no dodging, no stealth, no ambush, just suicide rush straight at each other.
On a related note, can "hive/cc under attack" be used to trigger entities? It would be an awesome twist if it started a countdown to an emergency teleporter activating for the other team - a single marine wouldnt want to attack the hive alone, because the entire alien team could teleport direct from their spawn to him AND the chair <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I might mess around with this map at some point, because the idea has potential...
does redemption take you to the nearest hive, or does it take you to the nearest alien spawn point(which are normally in a hive so thru normal play you wouldnt really be able to notice if you are being taken to the nearest hive or the nearest spawnpoint unless you keep letting someone almost kill you on a practice game to see if you keep going to the same spot)?
And redemption takes you to a random <u>active</u> spawnpoint. Not the nearest. And not a hive - it has no way of checking that.
btw the idea sounds great. More power to any team able to hold the doors, basically as soon as the doors are blocked, the game is VERY close to over. Encourages aliens to heal, use speed, and work together, requires marines to take and hold things in groups. Leaves little or no room for rambos an really dosent have a safe zone.
Nice idea too putting the spawn points opposite of each other, cause if rines just go over with most of the team and spawncamp, one lmg could take the hive <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Benefit 1: Aliens can be healed while protecting the Hive (still catered for in your map)
Benefit 2: Aliens can be healed when they respawn if being camped (not catered for in your map)
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Essentially, if the Marines rush the Alien spawns then they can get their catalysts, their upgrades and the win. Aliens on the other hand get camped, with no Hive regen which forces them to be superleet or to get regen as a primary upgrade (a lot of people get regen at one point, but not immediately).
Suggestion: a good alternative non-marine route out of the Hive and into the main room, or perhaps to the PG or adjoining corridors.
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My second concern is what Phattey does when he's healing the Hive? He's in a big room with little cover.
Suggestion: Give him plenty of low-level cover. He's only short so you can leave the Fades with minimal cover, but make sure the Gorge can't be taken out from the other side of the map (this means grenades too).
Barring that, it may also be possible to put pre-built dcs and a couple ocs in the spawn room...I know it can be done with turrets (look at co_campers)