Twg Iv: Postgame
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Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
<div class="IPBDescription">The Horror Comes to an End</div> After seven game days and 23 real days, The Werewolf Game IV: Freya comes to an end. It's been quite a ride.
Co-MVP to <b>Pulse</b> and <b>Talesin.</b> Despite Pulse's death just before the end of the game, he proved invaluable to the humans by seering formtaker after formtaker, communicating his knowledge to the humans through Talesin.
A big round of applause to the formtakers, who were millimetres away from the victory. You did VERY well, fellas.
An honorable mention must go to <b>TheMuffinMan</b> for his sudden change of heart on day four, ensuring that Swiftspear got lynched. Arguably this was the pivotal point of the game.
And now, without further ado, <i>the players:</i>
<span style='color:green'><b>Renegade, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 3)
<span style='color:green'><b>Talesin, human</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:green'><b>TheMuffinMan, human</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:blue'><b>Pulse, seer</span></b> (Wolfed on night 7)
<span style='color:blue'><b>Sky, psychic</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:green'><b>brute force, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 6)
<span style='color:green'><b>Some tall guy, human</span></b> (Lynched on day 2)
<span style='color:red'><b>Swiftspear, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 5)
<span style='color:green'><b>im lost, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 4)
<span style='color:red'><b>Nemesis Zero, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 4)
<span style='color:green'><b>Freak83, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 1)
<span style='color:green'><b>wonedslackystyle, human</span></b> (Lynched on day 1)
<span style='color:green'><b>Hellfire3k, human</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:green'><b>Snidely, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 5)
<span style='color:red'><b>Cold NiTe, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 7)
<span style='color:blue'><b>SaltzBad, guardian</span></b> (Wolfed on night 2)
<span style='color:red'><b>Mantrid, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 6)
<span style='color:green'><b>BadKarma, human</span></b> (Lynched on day 3)
Actions of the human roles:
Night one:
Pulse seers Talesin
SaltzBad protects TheMuffinMan
Night two:
Pulse seers Nemesis Zero
SaltzBad protects Nemesis Zero
Night three:
Pulse seers Snidely
Night four:
Pulse seers Swiftspear
Night five:
Pulse seers TheMuffinMan
Night six:
Pulse seers Mantrid
Night seven:
Pulse seers Cold NiTe
#ns-twg is now unpassworded. Anybody is welcome to join!
Freak83 has plans for the next TWG. Please wait for him to make his announcement before applying for host positions.
As I said at the start of the game, I have been writing a journal of the game. It now weighs in at 4532 words. I'll post in later.
Hope you all liked the story. It's been a taxing, but very rewarding experience for me. Not one I will repeat very soon, but some day I will do this again I think.
And now make with the high-fiving.
Edit: Freak83 has announced the signup procedure:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For the sign ups, it's going to be done a little differently this time. As we're moving onto TWG V now, changes may be ready to be made. I would like everyone who wishes to host next game to email me at freak83ATgmailDOTcom. In this email include the following:
Your forum name
How many player slots will be open in your game
The number of wolves
Description of the game
For description of the game either put "Standard TWG game" which will be played with 3 or 4 wolves and done in the same format as the first four TWG's. If you want to make any crazy changes to gameplay, number of teams, kills per night, etc. then include a vivid description of your game and how it will be played. I may contact you back about balance issues if neccisary. Once I have gotten all applications there will be a new thread either in this forum or Off Topic where all the game hosts applications will be shown in the first post and players can vote on their prefered host for the next game.
Requirements are that you have played in at least one TWG before and have an understanding of the game.
5:00 PM EST on Tuesday sounds like a fair deadline for host applications.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Co-MVP to <b>Pulse</b> and <b>Talesin.</b> Despite Pulse's death just before the end of the game, he proved invaluable to the humans by seering formtaker after formtaker, communicating his knowledge to the humans through Talesin.
A big round of applause to the formtakers, who were millimetres away from the victory. You did VERY well, fellas.
An honorable mention must go to <b>TheMuffinMan</b> for his sudden change of heart on day four, ensuring that Swiftspear got lynched. Arguably this was the pivotal point of the game.
And now, without further ado, <i>the players:</i>
<span style='color:green'><b>Renegade, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 3)
<span style='color:green'><b>Talesin, human</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:green'><b>TheMuffinMan, human</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:blue'><b>Pulse, seer</span></b> (Wolfed on night 7)
<span style='color:blue'><b>Sky, psychic</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:green'><b>brute force, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 6)
<span style='color:green'><b>Some tall guy, human</span></b> (Lynched on day 2)
<span style='color:red'><b>Swiftspear, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 5)
<span style='color:green'><b>im lost, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 4)
<span style='color:red'><b>Nemesis Zero, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 4)
<span style='color:green'><b>Freak83, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 1)
<span style='color:green'><b>wonedslackystyle, human</span></b> (Lynched on day 1)
<span style='color:green'><b>Hellfire3k, human</span></b> (Survived)
<span style='color:green'><b>Snidely, human</span></b> (Wolfed on night 5)
<span style='color:red'><b>Cold NiTe, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 7)
<span style='color:blue'><b>SaltzBad, guardian</span></b> (Wolfed on night 2)
<span style='color:red'><b>Mantrid, formtaker</span></b> (Instalynched on day 6)
<span style='color:green'><b>BadKarma, human</span></b> (Lynched on day 3)
Actions of the human roles:
Night one:
Pulse seers Talesin
SaltzBad protects TheMuffinMan
Night two:
Pulse seers Nemesis Zero
SaltzBad protects Nemesis Zero
Night three:
Pulse seers Snidely
Night four:
Pulse seers Swiftspear
Night five:
Pulse seers TheMuffinMan
Night six:
Pulse seers Mantrid
Night seven:
Pulse seers Cold NiTe
#ns-twg is now unpassworded. Anybody is welcome to join!
Freak83 has plans for the next TWG. Please wait for him to make his announcement before applying for host positions.
As I said at the start of the game, I have been writing a journal of the game. It now weighs in at 4532 words. I'll post in later.
Hope you all liked the story. It's been a taxing, but very rewarding experience for me. Not one I will repeat very soon, but some day I will do this again I think.
And now make with the high-fiving.
Edit: Freak83 has announced the signup procedure:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For the sign ups, it's going to be done a little differently this time. As we're moving onto TWG V now, changes may be ready to be made. I would like everyone who wishes to host next game to email me at freak83ATgmailDOTcom. In this email include the following:
Your forum name
How many player slots will be open in your game
The number of wolves
Description of the game
For description of the game either put "Standard TWG game" which will be played with 3 or 4 wolves and done in the same format as the first four TWG's. If you want to make any crazy changes to gameplay, number of teams, kills per night, etc. then include a vivid description of your game and how it will be played. I may contact you back about balance issues if neccisary. Once I have gotten all applications there will be a new thread either in this forum or Off Topic where all the game hosts applications will be shown in the first post and players can vote on their prefered host for the next game.
Requirements are that you have played in at least one TWG before and have an understanding of the game.
5:00 PM EST on Tuesday sounds like a fair deadline for host applications.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This discussion has been closed.
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I can't believe Cold was a wolf. Then again, he did seem kinda suspicious to me, and he always seemed to disagree with the things that made the most sense. >_>
An Outsider’s Diary
Note: Everything up to Day 4 was written on Day 4, but I think it is still pretty accurate to what I was thinking at the time.
Note 2: The tenses are horrible. Sorry.
Note 3: This is written basically as if I was a human player. It’s slightly odd... but not too bad I think.
Day 1:
Makes sense to me to bump off Freak this early. Dispose of a good player that could be a thorn in the wolves’ side. While wonedslackystyle’s point against random votes didn’t make much sense to me to begin with, I see now he was trying to say wait till more information was available, not actually thinking (or pretending to think) that Snidely was a wolf. When I got this, I looked at the way TheMuffinMan jumped on him and pegged him as my greatest suspicion at this point.
Day 2:
Dead Saltzbad. Probably not anything more than disposing of someone who might be a threat in the future. By this reason, if I’d been a wolf, personally I’d have disposed of Nemesis Zero, as from his posts around the forum, it’s clear he’s very sharp. This, coupled with his activity level (enough to come on and vote or say a few words, but not much more) put me onto my second wolf suspicion. Of course, his activity level began to rise at this point, but that’s for Day 3/4 comments. I thought he was also a possibility for the seer also, since that’s how I’d expect the seer to be too: anonymous. I also got a slight ping from Cold Nite for his post “However you are certainly going over things with a fine tooth comb I must say.” Something about that seemed to me like it was stirring up trouble, but it wasn’t a strong suspicion at that point. The inactivity of players makes it easier for the wolves at this point, because they can help vote off human players with little to no suspicion. Obviously that makes getting genuine evidence on the wolves difficult. Lastly I began to get a weird hunch that Talesin might be a wolf at this point, due to the post of someone that I can’t recall currently. It may have been from Snidely, who I was beginning to think of as human due to his reasonableness.
Day 3:
With Renegade also sleeping with the fishes, it looked like the pattern of killing the players that could be dangerous in future was being followed. This strengthened my suspicions of Nemesis Zero somewhat, but nothing concrete yet. The discussion between him and TheMuffinMan struck me as a little forced too, as it seemed highly unlikely that the seer would have talked to the wrong person at that point, as he’d have to have been not very sharp to do so, and Renegade doesn’t strike me as someone that would make such a simple mistake. I began to view the posts of these two through something of a ‘wolf lens’. Nem’s “just doesn't feel as though I'm making progress here.” Seemed to me like a delaying tactic to prevent him from having to accuse anyone and draw attention to himself. Another comment by Snidely put me on to Swiftspear. Not so much the logic itself, but the long winded way Swiftspear defended himself. It seemed… more than was necessary for a vague suggestion of an accusation. Then Talesin, Mantrid and Nem all seemed to bandwagon Swiftspear’s vote and I was left with five real wolf suspects, with Mantrid being least likely in my eyes. I also agreed with Badkarma’s analysis of Nem’s ‘Unless you really want to get rid of him, it might be a good idea to vote for someone else.’ Being a bit odd if he was still voting for Badkarma. Talesin’s voting behaviour also seemed odd to me. I also got my first feeling from Pulse this day. I saw his “I'm going to vote for Snidely right now because he doesn't have any votes and I don't want to kill Badkarma, who I don't think is a wolf.” And thought; he knows more than he should do. My feeling was that he could quite possibly be the seer, or that I’d got my wolf guess completely wrong, and he was a wolf instead with Badkarma and others that I had no clue who they were. However, by this point I basically believed Badkarma to be human, along with bruteforce for general rational posting, voting and moderate activity.
Day 4:
With im lost kaput I was no further along. He’d been fairly reasonable throughout, the only one he really accused being Talesin, who I suspected a wolf at this point. I was basically cemented into the fact that Nemesis Zero was a wolf, followed jointly by MuffinMan and Swiftspear, with Talesin hot on their heels. I was also certain Snidely was a human, particularly with the long post against Swiftspear, who he’d been consistently against. I got a slight twinge from some slightly confrontational posts from Cold Nite, but nothing major, since he backed off pretty quickly. Then the big shocked happened: Talesin comes out as knowing the seer. Until I read the whole way through, I was ready for it being a wolf ruse, but then I read the names at the bottom, and surprise, surprise, trusted Talesin. I didn’t think a wolf would have any reason to incriminate two of his own. Pulse’s instant backup of Talesin’s post seemed to confirm his seeriness. The following defense of Nem and Swiftspear by MuffinMan seemed to confirm my suspicions of him. With Cold Nite sitting on the fence and Mantrid not making the correct cost-benefit decision, I thought of both as possible replacements for Talesin in the wolf ranks, who from some of the comments by Nem, lead me to believe that all 4 were still alive and well. Cold Nite then made a long post defending himself, when Talesin said he was going to be seered the following night. Talesin made it clear he thought Cold Nite to be human, but Cold Nite still saw the need to attack him. He took the 4th place on my ‘wolf list’. Continued arguments by Nem, Swiftspear and MuffinMan only served to incriminate them more in my eyes, right up until the point MuffinMan threw a spanner into the works by instalynching Nem. I eventually decided the wolves had done cost-benefit themselves and tried to protect at least one of their members from suspicion, but remained open minded about the possibility of Mantrid being a wolf instead. At the end of the day I decided to see if I could guess the psychic. Knocking off probable wolves and entirely inactives I settled on Sky and Snidely as most likely, leaning towards Sky because he was less active and forthright than Snidely.
Day 5:
Snidely pushing up the daisies. That was a surprise to me. I expected the wolves to leave the most obvious supporter of Talesin alone as it seemed to incriminate them further. I had expected them to knock off Hellfire3k or bruteforce, as they hadn’t been taking a very active role, and could be killed without suspicion. In the end I reasoned that they had decided it wasn’t safe for them to leave Snidely alive any longer, since he was basically out reasoning them (or so I thought) and generally being a pain in their wolfy backsides. Sky comes out as being in contact with the psychic. This fits closely enough with my idea of him being the psychic that I didn’t think about it much. In hindsight, I should have picked up that he was the psychic, since there were no other likely candidates. However it didn’t matter really, so I just believed him and left it at that. MuffinMan didn’t take sides, which implied to me that he is laying low like I previously suggested. If he is a wolf though, he may have to help out Swiftspear. Of course, the wolves may have decided to sacrifice both of them for the good of the team, or I could be completely wrong in my suspicions. Wouldn’t that be embarrassing. It certainly looks much less likely that he’s a wolf than it used to. Pulse again supports Talesin. Either he is the seer, or he’s in the seer network. I’m inclined to believe he is the seer, but bruteforce is the other possibility. Or Talesin could be doing what Sky did, but my gut says it’s Pulse. Cold Nite basically shows his colours here. Either he’s a wolf or Sky and Talesin are, and I know which I’m inclined to believe. Sky’s evidence is way too good, and I’ve suspected the others throughout.
Damnit, MuffinMan is human. My first suspicion was a dud. No matter. Replace MuffinMan with ‘Mantrid’ wherever applicable. Talesin’s post basically confirms that he isn’t the seer, since someone else would be able to take over. I still think it’s Pulse. MuffinMan did say a weird thing though: “I was contacted by the seer a while ago”. That doesn’t seem to gel with what has been going on. However, it could just mean that the humans played a shrewd game and set things up so MuffinMan would be in a position to instalynch. Hmm… something to think about. Mantrid performs the instalynch this time, despite people saying not to. In all fairness, it proves nothing either way; he could be a wolf covering his tracks or a human voting against a wolf. I don’t really see who else could be a wolf (unless Hellfire3k is and the wolves have been just letting him be inactive to avoid suspicion). Tomorrow should tell us, with one wolfing and a seer report, that should be enough to end it.
Only two real possibilities at this point in my mind: Talesin, Sky, Pulse and bruteforce are wolves, and humans are screwed, or Nem, Swiftspear and likely Cold Nite and Mantrid are wolves and humans have got the network contacts to end it. It is possible that Talesin and/or Sky is part of some complicated wolf ploy, but I believe it’s a simple case of one side’s lying and one side’s telling the truth. I believe Talesin and Sky. At this point I think Pulse is the seer and Sky is the psychic. The guardian is probably dead, but he could be bruteforce or even MuffinMan. If I’m wrong, then the wolves have being playing a blinder of a game. It would mean that Sky prepared for a role as a fake psychic all along, and that the wolves built their own network. Talesin HAS to be human. There’s no way he could risk coming out in the open like that if he was a wolf, otherwise the real seer could still be alive. If he’s being played by a wolf… well the possibilities are insanely complicated. I think it’s too unlikely to be true.
Day 6
Bruteforce is an ex-human. Pretty much what I expected. If I’d been forced to bet on the death, it would have been him or Pulse. I’m glad it was him, as that means we’re probably going to get a seer report shortly. Humans shouldn’t have any problems, since they have enough players to instalynch who they want. In fact, as long as Talesin, MuffinMan, Pulse and Sky are human, and work together, they can’t loose, since even if they killed the other human first before the wolves, they would still win. The seer could reveal himself now, it’s no longer a problem. He may wish to survive the entire game though, but it really shouldn’t make a difference. It’s just a matter of finishing things off now. At least I hope so, otherwise the humans are few in number, with no seer or psychic and in deep trouble. Talesin confirms Mantrid is a wolf. No surprise there. Mantrid lynches himself and at the same time confirms he was a wolf. Telling everyone Hellfire is the other wolf makes no real difference: Either Hellfire or Cold Nite will be scanned. If they are found to be a wolf they will be lynched, if they aren’t, the other will be. Game over. Well… I suppose the seer might get wolfed, but they may still be able to communicate the results of their scan, so by all rights, tomorrow should be the last day.
Day 7
Pulse is deceased. Unfortunate, but I am happy to learn that he was indeed the seer, as this basically proves that Talesin is human. Seeing as there’s only one wolf left, and Pulse’s seering from just before the grave tells us it’s Cold Nite, then it’ll be all over in a matter of hours.
It’s done. GG humans.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First, I am a human, no special role (three games in a row, how boring)
April 10 (day 3)
Sky: suspects MuffinMan, claims to have info from a possible psychic, wants to have MuffinMan killed to test the theory (ask him if the psychic said how many wolves are left)
BadKarma: Many have said that his behavior seems like a wolf, I don't know what to think about that, pm info from muffinman on first day seems like normal behavior
Swiftspear: keeps complaining that he is out of the loop, has a general suspicion about BadKarma
Talesin: not very active, bandwagon voter every day, I suspect him
Renegade: not very active, jumps in for random votes and then leaves, he should have time for the game since he ran the last one, seems suspicious, i'll come back to that later
Nemesis Zero: active, random votes
Mantrid: bandwagon vote against BadKarma with no explanation, called out by brute force
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April 11
(night 4)
Sky tried to get nem, swiftspear, and I to vote against muffinman to test his theory, telling each of us that he contacted the other two people. Due to problems with computer accessibility, it doesn't happen. Later, I talk with nem, neither of us is very sure on the plan. I then talk with swiftspear, and both of us decide against it. We are willing to blindly trust sky, but we don't think MuffinMan is a wolf, so even if we can trust sky, his plan probably wouldn't work.
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April 12 (day 4, i am dead)
Swiftspear: says a lot about how he doesn't have any info, and it would be pointless for the wolves to kill him. I think he's a wolf. Also, he mentions that I sent him a PM frequently in past twg's. That only happened in the first one, after both of us were dead. I'm never very active with IRC PM's without a good reason (like the alliance that might have formed between us due to sky)
Talesin: claims that the seer has told him that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are wolves. If he is to be believed, there is indeed a network being formed. Still, it doesn't explain his bandwagon against BadKarma, who he doesn't mention as being a wolf. If I was alive, I would trust this over Sky's story. Then again, they could both be telling the truth, in which case Sky is almost certain to be in danger, being the only connection to the psychic. Sky would be my target if I were Swiftspear or Nemesis Zero. Hopefully, Sky will respond to Talesin's post by telling him that he knows who the psychic is, and for the seer to check him to create a seer-psychic alliance.
With there being no sign that any of the wolves had been openly discovered, why would the wolves take out one of their own? Not that this makes Talesin's story less credible, I just don't understand where that idea comes from.
Conclusion for now: based on the sky-swift-nem0-me group, and based on sky's wish to kill muffinman, and based on swift's response, and based on talesin's post (well written story, by the way), if swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are actually wolves, then so is Muffin Man. Reasoning: If Swiftspear was a wolf and Muffin Man wasn't, then Swiftspear would not have worked as hard as he did to convince me not to go along with Sky's plan to kill Muffin Man. He would have been happy to have a human killed, plus be part of a group that trusted him. Even if suspicions were cast, the finger could have easily been pointed at Sky, rather than him.
I finally realized how much I trust Talesin's story, I have started looking for evidence that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are wolves, at least subconsciously. I mentioned before that Swiftspear said we talked a lot in PM conversations in previous games, and how that wasn't very accurate. This seems suspicious to me now. Swiftspear contacted ME during TWG 1, and I already pointed out in this game that I died immediately in TWG 2.
Looking at the votes, Cold NiTe and Snidely will probably both hold votes against Swiftspear at the end of the day. Talesin should probably combine his vote with theirs, it doesn't seem like he has any reason to vote for Nemesis Zero over Swiftspear. If Sky isn't seer'd, then it had better be Snidely or Cold NiTe.
April 13 (still day 4)
From IRC discussion, it is brought up once again that experienced players are dying fast. Swiftspear is experienced, and he has been accused. Renegade has been left unmentioned. Is he a wolf, what's the deal with that?
MuffinMan supports Swiftspear in IRC. This supports my view that if Swift and Nem are wolves, so is Muffin Man. Also, Swiftspear makes the point that it is either killing Swift and Nem, or killing Talesin (along with accusing Talesin of being a wolf), and that killing Swift and Nemesis Zero gives the game to the wolves if they aren't wolves. This is the same reasoning Sky (a wolf) used at the end of TWG 3.
MuffinMan and Snidely debate who is telling the truth. I figure one side is being led by wolves, I'm surprised that both sides have a figurehead making the argument outside of the group of people accusing or being accused.
Swiftspear openly connected Sky to the psychic in IRC by saying
<+SwiftSpear> did sky/mystery psychic contact you today?
Talesin already said in the thread that he had been contacted by someone claiming to know the psychic. Swiftspear knows who this has to be. If Swiftspear is human, this would make no sense, because Talesin would be a wolf and would be lying anyway. If he is a wolf, then it means that fingers aren't necessarily pointed at him when Sky is wolfed (which is what I expect to happen).
April 14 (still day 4, transition to night 5)
IRC: <+TheMuffinMan> ****, just realised that it is an insta-lynch
This was in response to him changing his vote from Talesin to Nemesis Zero. I can't believe he didn't realize it, considering how many times it was mentioned. Is it a coverup, or did he really miss something that obvious?
If Hellfire3k had gotten a phantom vote, and all 4 wolves were still alive, then they could have ended the game by voting for Hellfire3k a day early.
April 16 (day 5)
Interesting shift in target by Swiftspear and company. Here's the PM I sent to lolfighter:
****
The four wolves: Nemesis Zero, Swiftspear, Cold NiTe, TheMuffinMan. Swiftspear's lies about his interaction with me make it easy for me to see that he is a wolf. It easily follows that Nemesis Zero is a wolf. Cold NiTe's statement "Vote Sky. Him and I'm Lost both know why." makes it obvious to me that he is a wolf, in the same way that Swiftspear's statements make it obvious. That leaves Mantrid or TheMuffinMan. Like I told you before, Swiftspear was trying too hard to defend TheMuffinMan when Sky was trying to rally us all together, so if Swiftspear was a wolf, then so was TheMuffinMan. TheMuffinMan's last-minute vote change to Nemesis Zero was meant to gain trust. I finally figured it out.
****
<b>A question to Talesin. Why did you have early game bandwagon votes if you knew who a few of the wolves were anyway? </b>
After Talesin revealed that TheMuffinMan is a human, my guess above can't be correct. I stand by my guess that Nemesis Zero, Swiftspear, and Cold NiTe are wolves, and I don't have any idea on who the fourth wolf is. Cold NiTe seems to have enough suspicion, it appears that the wolves depend on their final member staying elusive. This probably means that The wolves have to kill the seer. I wonder how many people recognize the importance of keeping a phantom vote off of Hellfire3k.
April 16 (night 6)
After Swiftspear died, he contacted me. Obviously, he confirmed that he and Nemesis Zero were wolves. I asked him about Cold NiTe, and Cold NiTe is also a wolf. Apparently Mantrid is the last wolf, and since he is the only other person that voted for Talesin, it should be easy enough for the humans to guess. Sky is obviously the psychic, apparently Snidely was the seer. It looks like the humans should win, again.
Sky actually believes that I contacted Swiftspear and said I was the psychic. I certainly did not do that. He will find out at the end of the game, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One final comment, if anyone of you ever accuses me of "loghunting", I promise I will vote for you every day after that until I have a really good reason for voting for someone else.
There is one thing I'm confused about, and im lost even kinda mentioned it in his log:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Talesin: claims that the seer has told him that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are wolves. If he is to be believed, there is indeed a network being formed. Still, it doesn't explain his bandwagon against BadKarma, who he doesn't mention as being a wolf. If I was alive, I would trust this over Sky's story. Then again, they could both be telling the truth, in which case Sky is almost certain to be in danger, being the only connection to the psychic. Sky would be my target if I were Swiftspear or Nemesis Zero. Hopefully, Sky will respond to Talesin's post by telling him that he knows who the psychic is, and for the seer to check him to create a seer-psychic alliance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I really am surprised that I survived the entire game. Actually, I'm more surprised that the wolves didn't kill me before I had a chance to come out. Were you hoping that I was going to lead you to the 'real' psychic?
Now, for my own contribution to the logs, here's an irc pm between Snidely and me right after im lost got the boot:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><Skyhigh> yo
* Skyhigh pokes snidely
<Skyhigh> .....
<Snidely> oh, hi
<Snidely> sorry about that, nodding off
<Skyhigh> save this
<Skyhigh> log, i mean
<Skyhigh> i've been talking to swift and nem0 for a few days
<Skyhigh> revealing info, suspicions, and such
<Snidely> !
<Skyhigh> including the fact that I've received overtures from someone claiming to be the psychic (anonymously)
<Skyhigh> im_lost was in that group
<Skyhigh> he got wolfed
<Snidely> I've been in touch with nem, but no revelations
<Skyhigh> i might be next
<Skyhigh> if i go tonight, nem and swift are most likely wolves
<Skyhigh> they probably want to muzzle the psychic's mouthpiece before i say anything
<Skyhigh> btw, there are still 4 wolves left, according to him
<Snidely> i suspected as much
<Skyhigh> so, we're nearly screwed
<Snidely> nem, swift, mantrid and muffin
<Skyhigh> muffin!
<Skyhigh> yes!
<Snidely> i reckon so.
<Skyhigh> i said that to nem0 and lost
<Snidely> just look at his dodgy reasoning
<Skyhigh> i focused more on the fact that he pursued slacky relentlessly
<Snidely> not only that, but he's persuaded us not to group together etc.
<Skyhigh> we had all forgotten about it, then he brought it up again...
<Snidely> the seer'll get this log, don't you worry
<Skyhigh> mkay
<Skyhigh> i pmed talesin, and my contact said he'd anonymously email him as well
<Skyhigh> seems an awful lot of work to write that whole thing up if he was faking it >_>
<Snidely> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<Snidely> as i said, wolves have no reason to act so recklessly
<Snidely> they're trumping us
<Skyhigh> pretty much
<Skyhigh> however it is nice to remember that when _I_ was the psychic in the first twg
<Snidely> hopefully we can still turn it around
<Skyhigh> i managed to expose 2 of the 3 wolves right at the end
<Skyhigh> mvp ftw ^_^
<Snidely> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<Snidely> i'm off to bed now. g'night.
<Skyhigh> night
<Snidely> oh, one more thing - please keep a record of anything a suspect wolf says while i'm not here, would be nice of you <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I'm not that much of a **** to needlessly brag about being the psychic in previous games. That was mostly to highlight the whole "I'm not the psychic" message, just in case I was getting played a <i>second</i> time. >_>
Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to just being a vanilla human next game. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> It'd be a cruel cruel joke if I turned out to be the psychic again.
Snidely pushing up the daisies. That was a surprise to me. I expected the wolves to leave the most obvious supporter of Talesin alone as it seemed to incriminate them further. I had expected them to knock off Hellfire3k or bruteforce, as they hadn’t been taking a very active role, and could be killed without suspicion. In the end I reasoned that they had decided it wasn’t safe for them to leave Snidely alive any longer, since he was basically out reasoning them (or so I thought) and generally being a pain in their wolfy backsides.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
During day 4, when there was only me, Pulse and Talesin voting for Nem, I tried to canvass for votes. I sent pretty much this PM out to Cold Nite, Brute and Hellfire. IIRC, Sky had already been in touch, but hadn't voted at this point.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The reason I haven't come out is that we needed one final drama to bring out the other two wolves. It's clear to me, at least, that they are TheMuffinMan and Mantrid. Muffin has advocated humans not sticking together and jumped on the wonedslacky bandwagon for a while. Mantrid has rarely provided reasoning and has jumped on most bandwagons. I couldn't be sure of either. This was a risky venture, but I'm pretty sure we've uncovered the wolves now.
I suspect Saltz got in touch with Swift, and was the guardian. Either that, or he was killed to throw us off. I'm Lost was the pyschic, and confided in Sky, who has confided in me. Before he died, no wolves had been found.
Note that I don't know for sure if you're a wolf or not. I'm taking a risk here.
Feel free to get in touch with [other contacts].<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had figured that Cold Nite was the misled humie. Obviously, I couldn't be sure, so I left Pulse out of it.
I don't know whether or not they thought I was the seer at that point. I'll be interested to know. I told Brute outright that I was the seer on IRC, I don't know if that caused any problems later on.
Out of curiosity, how many humans realized that letting the Nemesis Zero/Talesin vote be decided randomly was a 50/50 chance for a wolf win right there? If Talesin died and Hellfire3k got a phantom vote, it was over.
Excellent story telling on lolfighter's part, and 30 pages makes it our longest TWG yet.
Although I didn't have much to do with this game I admit I wasn't surprised or upset that I died, maybe it's just the fact that I'm used to dieing early in other TWG's, but I had a feeling I was the wolf target on night one this time around. >_>
A couple of side comments, early in this game I heard some people talking about how the Guardian seems to be a useless role as they haven't saved anyone yet. I should clarify the role of the Guardian a bit more. If the Guardian does manage to actually save a human from being wolfed this gives the humans a HUGE advantage as they will have a confirmed human who can form an alliance with the Seer, Psychic, and Guardian. The Guardian acts more of a deterierent forcing the wolves to maybe think twice about who they want to kill off, and perhaps not going after the obvious target.
For the sign ups, it's going to be done a little differently this time. As we're moving onto TWG V now, changes may be ready to be made. I would like everyone who wishes to host next game to email me at freak83ATgmailDOTcom. In this email include the following:
Your forum name
How many player slots will be open in your game
The number of wolves
Description of the game
For description of the game either put "Standard TWG game" which will be played with 3 or 4 wolves and done in the same format as the first four TWG's. If you want to make any crazy changes to gameplay, number of teams, kills per night, etc. then include a vivid description of your game and how it will be played. I may contact you back about balance issues if neccisary. Once I have gotten all applications there will be a new thread either in this forum or Off Topic where all the game hosts applications will be shown in the first post and players can vote on their prefered host for the next game.
Requirements are that you have played in at least one TWG before and have an understanding of the game.
5:00 PM EST on Tuesday sounds like a fair deadline for host applications.
EDIT: lolfighter, can you quote these last paragraphs about hosting and edit it into your first post.
Freak83, I don't think you mentioned it before midway through this game that everyone knows who the guardian tried to save. I always assumed that it was simply said that no one died that night (which is what happened in the game I watched in real life, where the guardian saved herself twice).
If the Guardian succesfully saves someone, in the story it would be like, <x Player died,> and then something like, <X player woke up and said "No, something saved me">
Uh of course a lot more professional looking than that I hope. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EDIT: How many people actually think it's neccisary for a different European/North American TWG? I personally feel it's been working fine for communication, the days are usually long enough to have communication between players.
Freak83, I don't think you mentioned it before midway through this game that everyone knows who the guardian tried to save. I always assumed that it was simply said that no one died that night (which is what happened in the game I watched in real life, where the guardian saved herself twice). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Guardian can't save himself, I thought.
And mostly I was adamant about killing Muffin because 1) I wanted to win the trust of my chosen contacts, and 2) because he was more likely a wolf than stg.
Obviously my efforts to win swift and nem's trust kinda worked in a weird way; they must have thought that I trusted them completely and would defend them if necessary....
You edited your post after someone posted after you, I don't know how many people would have seen it, so I'm reposting the question.
The issue I have is that when I wake up and start reading through the logs, I see a whole bunch of stuff that I wish I could have responded to. But the people that made the statements are asleep, or no longer in the channel, or at work/school. If there were several hours during the day when everyone was awake and around, and the majority of people slept during the same time period, then it wouldn't be an issue. There are also people that actually turn their computer off when they go to sleep, and they completely miss what the people on the other side of the world discussed. This is also a little bit of an issue for me, because I will get disconnected from gamesurge randomly, and I haven't figured out how to make HydraIRC automatically rejoin password-protected channels. (If anyone can tell me how to do that it would be great.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Guardian can't save himself, I thought.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct, but they could in the first game I watched.
I agree. Although I was sweating bullets throughout a large part of day four, due to the people who hadn't voted not being around yet...
The funniest part was that one of the two people I tried to PM unsuccessfully was the least visible wolf - Mantrid. He'd likely have failed to report Nem0, implicating himself. 2 for one would have been the best trade ever. But in the end I gave up after connection loss, thinking 'what the heck, it would be a really dumb wolf move anyway'. Luck failed me, because the wolves too banked on luck when killing me off the bat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I definitely realised this, which is one of the reasons why pretending to be against Talesin was so risky. I was also a hairs width from getting voted out, although i got some interesting conversations with swift out of it.
I did not keep a journal, but the only person who i was always suspicious off was Swiftspear. I was pretty sure from Day One onwards that he was a wolf, or a very dodgy human.
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Same goes for Renegade, actually.
On an unrelated note, I just had the pleasure of deleting the 42 messages from my combined inbox and outbox that were related to TWG IV.
42.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Less than a week till THGTTG <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Same goes for Renegade, actually. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that why there haven't been any serious accusations against me (except from a wolf), because my avatar just seems so clueless and innocent?
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Same goes for Renegade, actually. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that why there haven't been any serious accusations against me (except from a wolf), because my avatar just seems so clueless and innocent? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, we're all afraid that, if we vote for you, the guy in your sig is going to come after us. A fate worse than death, that'd be. >_>
Eh?
Eh? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://hitchhikers.movies.go.com/index.html' target='_blank'>Go</a>.
<a href='http://video.ugo.com/player.aspx?articleID=13939&ref=ts' target='_blank'>Now</a>.
If you haven't read the books, you won't get the reference, I'm afraid. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Same goes for Renegade, actually. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that why there haven't been any serious accusations against me (except from a wolf), because my avatar just seems so clueless and innocent? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, we're all afraid that, if we vote for you, the guy in your sig is going to come after us. A fate worse than death, that'd be. >_> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess Swiftspear should be very afraid then.
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Same goes for Renegade, actually. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Duly noted!
Ah ha, i am also looking forward to the movie. I have just never seen the abbreviation 'THGTTG' before <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->