maybe practice a little more, think about what it would look like in your hand
yes i am saying stand there look like a idiot to any one thats watching and reload this invisable concept turn it hoold it aim c0ck it cheack tis chamber fidn its serial number what ever ya gotta do to picture tis other angles in ya head, then draw them, refer back to ya invisable gun may times, jsut dont refer bac kto ti if some one breaks into your house
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Drake!+Apr 27 2005, 02:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drake! @ Apr 27 2005, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sorry for butchering it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Mind if I use your ideas and touch it up a bit? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
edited April 2005
I made it a bit smoother, but kept drake's ideas. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I like it better than my older versions... thanks so much for the upgrade, Drake. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know if I can bring up the time and concentration to model this (stupid mum has cancelled the contract for my flat so I have to look for a new flat and will most likely cut off the internet access due to stupid lawyer crap [stupid mum and dad getting divorces, do the maths...])
<!--QuoteBegin-NEX9+Apr 29 2005, 07:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEX9 @ Apr 29 2005, 07:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sorry to hear that obst, i was 5 and still not really over it and the whole ordeal <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ditto. we feel for ya obst <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know if I can bring up the time and concentration to model this (stupid mum has cancelled the contract for my flat so I have to look for a new flat and will most likely cut off the internet access due to stupid lawyer crap [stupid mum and dad getting divorces, do the maths...])
I'm sorry, I'm a failure <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey man, my parents split up when I was around 8 - it's not a happy time, I admit.
I wish you the best of luck - and don't even worry about the concept or anything, please - you have much more important matters at hand.
I hope to seeya soon, Obst. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Drfuzzy+Apr 30 2005, 09:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drfuzzy @ Apr 30 2005, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Try making the grip completely p90-like, but leave the top and mag alone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll see what I can do. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What I attatched are some recommendations for the model.
The trigger assembly is too close to the grip.
<span style='color:steelblue'><b>Blue</b></span> shows a void in the grip that makes handling of this firearm to look that of a paintball player using a "Z" grip which orientates the firearm more vertically relative to the grip. It would make sense if this weapon was bottom heavy that of a paintball marker, but it isn't.
The blue arrow suggest a separation of the grip from the trigger, back, and rotated from the top, right, about 6 to 9 degrees.
<span style='color:goldenrod'><b>Odd Yellow</b></span> shows changes to the trigger and foregrip assembly. The trigger itself should be pushed up vertically to align with the new position of the handle. The foregrip itself looks alright, but you might want to make the forward most side of the foregrip a little bit more longer and not so swooped back to help accommodate a more verticle positioning of the palm
i'm all for ergonomics man, but this is a weapon concept, not modern furniture design. I'm a sucker for angular designs, yeah, but i mean really. its getting to thin and spindly and over-designed. What happened to beauty in simplicity, more is less, all that. go back to the way it was, give it a nice simple grip and get the placement of the trigger right. this ergonomic crap is ruining it.
The alignment of the handle to the trigger is spot on, but the grip shape change took the "raw aggression" look from the weapon.
Keep the handle like before, unshapened and sloped back to the stock, but only tild it slightly forward.
<b><span style='color:darkviolet'>Purple</span></b> shows the wrapped grip around the handle. Make the grip wrap around to the front of the hand so the pinky, ring, and middle fingers have something to hold on to.
<b><span style='color:goldenrod'>Odd Orange</span></b> shows where the handle is attached to the stock. Cut that off, and fatten the handle like you had it before.
<b><span style='color:yellowgreen'>Weird Green</span></b> shows the forearm grip. You should increase the height of the grip so the palm rests almost flat(vertically) against the forearm grip.
<span style='color:lawngreen'><i>Green Circle</i></span> shows where the thumb will approximately sit. That area is the furthrest point from the trigger itself and with such a short weapon you want enough space for the other arm to extend enough to offer the most amount of lateral support. Why care about this now? So it doesn't look funny when you model the animations for it later on
<span style='color:red'><i>Red Circle</i></span> shows the little outter bevel protrusion behind the handle. You should make that smaller. from the bottom up, and from the bottom(when you fatten the handle) fill that space with the handle as well. Keep it flat because the space between the thumb and pointer finger around palm rests there.
In short.. cut the handle away from the back. Keep the handle fat like before, but only rotate it slightly forward
Perhaps extend the length of the front section, and make the foregrip like you would on say a famas (but not literally like a famas, but thats where you would put your hands)
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yes i am saying stand there look like a idiot to any one thats watching and reload this invisable concept turn it hoold it aim c0ck it cheack tis chamber fidn its serial number what ever ya gotta do to picture tis other angles in ya head, then draw them, refer back to ya invisable gun may times, jsut dont refer bac kto ti if some one breaks into your house
Drake, that thing looks business! I'd hate to be on the recieving end of that!
Thats awesome! Thanks. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Mind if I use your ideas and touch it up a bit? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
if i had the time i woulda colored it for you
I like it better than my older versions... thanks so much for the upgrade, Drake. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know if I can bring up the time and concentration to model this (stupid mum has cancelled the contract for my flat so I have to look for a new flat and will most likely cut off the internet access due to stupid lawyer crap [stupid mum and dad getting divorces, do the maths...])
I'm sorry, I'm a failure <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ditto. we feel for ya obst <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know if I can bring up the time and concentration to model this (stupid mum has cancelled the contract for my flat so I have to look for a new flat and will most likely cut off the internet access due to stupid lawyer crap [stupid mum and dad getting divorces, do the maths...])
I'm sorry, I'm a failure <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey man, my parents split up when I was around 8 - it's not a happy time, I admit.
I wish you the best of luck - and don't even worry about the concept or anything, please - you have much more important matters at hand.
I hope to seeya soon, Obst. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll see what I can do. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The trigger assembly is too close to the grip.
<span style='color:steelblue'><b>Blue</b></span> shows a void in the grip that makes handling of this firearm to look that of a paintball player using a "Z" grip which orientates the firearm more vertically relative to the grip. It would make sense if this weapon was bottom heavy that of a paintball marker, but it isn't.
The blue arrow suggest a separation of the grip from the trigger, back, and rotated from the top, right, about 6 to 9 degrees.
<span style='color:goldenrod'><b>Odd Yellow</b></span> shows changes to the trigger and foregrip assembly. The trigger itself should be pushed up vertically to align with the new position of the handle. The foregrip itself looks alright, but you might want to make the forward most side of the foregrip a little bit more longer and not so swooped back to help accommodate a more verticle positioning of the palm
How so? Too curvy?
Please, leave contructive criticism.. not.. "That looks stupid". Give a reason why, please.
The alignment of the handle to the trigger is spot on, but the grip shape change took the "raw aggression" look from the weapon.
Keep the handle like before, unshapened and sloped back to the stock, but only tild it slightly forward.
<b><span style='color:darkviolet'>Purple</span></b> shows the wrapped grip around the handle. Make the grip wrap around to the front of the hand so the pinky, ring, and middle fingers have something to hold on to.
<b><span style='color:goldenrod'>Odd Orange</span></b> shows where the handle is attached to the stock. Cut that off, and fatten the handle like you had it before.
<b><span style='color:yellowgreen'>Weird Green</span></b> shows the forearm grip. You should increase the height of the grip so the palm rests almost flat(vertically) against the forearm grip.
<span style='color:lawngreen'><i>Green Circle</i></span> shows where the thumb will approximately sit. That area is the furthrest point from the trigger itself and with such a short weapon you want enough space for the other arm to extend enough to offer the most amount of lateral support. Why care about this now? So it doesn't look funny when you model the animations for it later on
<span style='color:red'><i>Red Circle</i></span> shows the little outter bevel protrusion behind the handle. You should make that smaller. from the bottom up, and from the bottom(when you fatten the handle) fill that space with the handle as well. Keep it flat because the space between the thumb and pointer finger around palm rests there.
In short.. cut the handle away from the back. Keep the handle fat like before, but only rotate it slightly forward
It's rotated to the right 8 degrees from the top
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Looks better.
<3 plain