<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 21 2005, 12:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 21 2005, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Indeed, just like how it is a grand idea to take that redhead beaty from the office for a business lunch...
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at the local Mac Donalds.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> YES
...Although I'd never date anyone from work. That could backfire real nasty-like.
On a more serious note, I don't understand why people hate the discussion forum so much. Is it the idea of people having different opinions to yours or something? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That not it really. The problem is that when someone can't back up their opinion with argument they often turn to flaming. What makes matters worse is when people repeat arguments that were soundly defeated pages ago in the thread several times. It gets on the nerves of normally rational people and the become more agressive. Of course, the flames just insite more flames and things go downhill in a hurry. This is all compounded by the fact that logical fallicies (straw man is a favorite) abound.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 21 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 21 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That not it really. The problem is that when someone can't back up their opinion with argument they often turn to flaming. What makes matters worse is when people repeat arguments that were soundly defeated pages ago in the thread several times. It gets on the nerves of normally rational people and the become more agressive. Of course, the flames just insite more flames and things go downhill in a hurry. This is all compounded by the fact that logical fallicies (straw man is a favorite) abound. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is that the first two are against the rules. It was bad a few weeks back, I'll admit, when the mods didn't seem to be around (the whole AvengerX thing), but usually it's fairly well meaning. It's been slow of late due to just religion threads, but there's the occasional good read.
If normally rational people succumb to the dark side, they're just banned from discussions is all (as we're seeing here with CWAG). No harm done, really.
The only people who have the right to complain about discussions are the mods who clean it up periodically. The rest of us don't have to put up with it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> either move this over to the discussions forum or lock it..It's really going nowhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Erm, then Skulkbait wouldn't be able to reply. And if you don't like where the thread's going, <i>don't read it</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 21 2005, 01:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 21 2005, 01:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 21 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 21 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That not it really. The problem is that when someone can't back up their opinion with argument they often turn to flaming. What makes matters worse is when people repeat arguments that were soundly defeated pages ago in the thread several times. It gets on the nerves of normally rational people and the become more agressive. Of course, the flames just insite more flames and things go downhill in a hurry. This is all compounded by the fact that logical fallicies (straw man is a favorite) abound. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is that the first two are against the rules. It was bad a few weeks back, I'll admit, when the mods didn't seem to be around (the whole AvengerX thing), but usually it's fairly well meaning. It's been slow of late due to just religion threads, but there's the occasional good read.
If normally rational people succumb to the dark side, they're just banned from discussions is all (as we're seeing here with CWAG). No harm done, really.
The only people who have the right to complain about discussions are the mods who clean it up periodically. The rest of us don't have to put up with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I seem to have forgotten to finish what I was saying: people hate the discussion forum because all this flaming and argument sows hatred between members of the community.
am i the only one who thinks this post is pointless? if you break the rules you get banned, if you don't you don't get banned. every other post is "no don't go" I don't see the point of the post other then to see how many people want you to stay? I'm not trying to flame but last I checked this was off topic and not 1-800-emo-help hotline.
Snidely, I don't care about SkulkBait having to reply to one of your many replies in this thread to every other persons' post.
I was simply replying with my concerns as to how this thread has turned out. I'm sorry if that has offended you, but there is no need to tell me what I should or shouldn't do. I'll reserve that right for myself and the moderators.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 21 2005, 11:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 21 2005, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're not capable of expressing your opinion without flaming someone, your stay in discussions will be short, thanks to the vigilent mods. The fact that the discussion forums are still open (this time) shows that people don't always let their emotions get the better of them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well to be fair i was flamed first, and those who said the same opinions were defeated pages ago, i've read the whole thread and their aruguments were not very convincing. and then all these immature people starting calling me a facist and starting swearing #@$@# at me.
i admit it was my fault and poor judgement that i flamed back, but i didn't start it! they threw feces at me and i tossed it back
I'm going to cry. CWAG doesn't like us any more <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your rudeish knowitall commie personality is why I love you man. You are funny (hence the sig <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) and generally a cool person to have around.
You are restricted from discusssion, leave it at that, then you don't have to worry about going in there and upseting anyone. (Which happens to everyone, and everyone upsets people there, that's what oppinions do, and that's why the discussion forum exists, to p*ss people off and let them enjoy it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
This place sucked the last time you were banned, there was no local propoganda guy to post snide remarks to everything, and we need that.
<!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 21 2005, 01:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 21 2005, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 21 2005, 11:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 21 2005, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're not capable of expressing your opinion without flaming someone, your stay in discussions will be short, thanks to the vigilent mods. The fact that the discussion forums are still open (this time) shows that people don't always let their emotions get the better of them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well to be fair i was flamed first, and those who said the same opinions were defeated pages ago, i've read the whole thread and their aruguments were not very convincing. and then all these immature people starting calling me a facist and starting swearing #@$@# at me.
i admit it was my fault and poor judgement that i flamed back, but i didn't start it! they threw feces at me and i tossed it back <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The arguments you had brought up A) were bad arguments, B) had been done before in just aobut every homosexuality thread that had come before C) completely hatefull and ignorant. I flamed you whilst arguing because, quite frankly, I'm totally sick of trying to deal with you and your ilk in a rational manner. People like you don't listen to reason. I know what I did was against the rules, and I did it anyway, and I'm not sorry for what I said. I understand and accept the consequences of my actions, and you should too. You had no right under forum rules to flame back, you knew this and you did it anyway. Thats why you were restricted too. You deserve it just as much as I do.
Hmm I would hate to see you leave CWAG, but if you feel it's in your best interest that’s fine. I don't think the mods were going to ban you though so you shouldn't feel as though you had to head them off.
I would like to comment that the rules in the Discussion forum have hardly been enforced as of late and many more people then CWAG and illuminex are at fault. Not that I want to see anyone else restricted, I just think a new warning followed by stricter enforcement would have been more prudent.
You can't leave the rules un-enforced for some odd months and then randomly come in and beat the first offenses that catch your eye. The enforcement of the rules must remain consistent if it is to seem fair.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 21 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 21 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I seem to have forgotten to finish what I was saying: people hate the discussion forum because all this flaming and argument sows hatred between members of the community. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It doesn't for me actually, I may seriously dislike some of the beliefs people have but that doesn't stop them from being decent people. All those that end up in a NS discussion forum must be at least slightly similar or they would never have met. Besides, how can you hate someone?
I value the discussion forum precisely because there is such a mix of views and opinions. It gives me a broader idea of peoples views because I'm not limited by culture or geography. I have lots of respect for people like DarkATI who, despite the fact we have different views on some things, always come across as a mature, friendly individual and I honestly enjoy the discussions even as I get frustrated <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 21 2005, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 21 2005, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 21 2005, 01:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 21 2005, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 21 2005, 11:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 21 2005, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're not capable of expressing your opinion without flaming someone, your stay in discussions will be short, thanks to the vigilent mods. The fact that the discussion forums are still open (this time) shows that people don't always let their emotions get the better of them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well to be fair i was flamed first, and those who said the same opinions were defeated pages ago, i've read the whole thread and their aruguments were not very convincing. and then all these immature people starting calling me a facist and starting swearing #@$@# at me.
i admit it was my fault and poor judgement that i flamed back, but i didn't start it! they threw feces at me and i tossed it back <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The arguments you had brought up A) were bad arguments, B) had been done before in just aobut every homosexuality thread that had come before C) completely hatefull and ignorant. I flamed you whilst arguing because, quite frankly, I'm totally sick of trying to deal with you and your ilk in a rational manner. People like you don't listen to reason. I know what I did was against the rules, and I did it anyway, and I'm not sorry for what I said. I understand and accept the consequences of my actions, and you should too. You had no right under forum rules to flame back, you knew this and you did it anyway. Thats why you were restricted too. You deserve it just as much as I do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hey i'll be the first one to admit that i deserved my restriction. too many people think they are free to do whatever they want and be degenerates. whether you like it or not, you have to pay taxes, obey the law, and have to deal with media censorship, and have other people's moral values imposed on you. living in a democracy doesn't mean you are allowed to do whatever the hell you want. you seem to have a problem understanding this, and worst yet, when other people's values are different from yours, you flame them. i've read all your reasons and they're not adequate to condone the said behaviors, but this is getting too off topic.
in the end, i'm glad i'm banned from the dicussion forums. one less headache i have to deal with.
cwag: you're taking this waaaayy too personally. lighten up
I've always found 'leaving' posts for any reason in any community sorta interesting.
It's always hard to tell if it's a test of people's reactions (what do people think of me?), a genuine leaving thread (I ain't coming back!!!) or sometimes even just a monologue (hmmm... think think think).
I don't mind CWAG though we haven't talked since waaaay back directly (dunno if that's just because I've not been on any IM/IRC type stuff these days or whatever) soooooo I don't have an opinion :p Dunno why you'd want to run off cwaggy but if you did leave like you said in the post then I don't know why I'm typing this because you won't read it ~blinks and scratches head~
oh and...
<!--QuoteBegin-CMEAST+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEAST)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you've been a fixture of this forum, like a mascot or a cheerleader or something<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> awww... I thought I was the forum cheerleader? :3
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
CWAG and I haven't talked for a real long while, Steam chat I believe. It's hard to see a big name in the community go, one with a great sense of humor.
It's a shame your leaving, but I'll see you around <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Take it easy
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
Uh oh, he's going to leave us....world is over in approximately....wait. It doesent matter.
Get over it. Its <b>not</b> the end of the world. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Maus+Apr 21 2005, 08:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus @ Apr 21 2005, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gamers don't generally make good debaters, it seems. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...I though I was decent at least... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> *crushed*
<b><span style='color:red'>Discussion forum needs to be split into subforums.</span></b>
How many times have I suggested/asked for this only to get the "silent treatment" from the mods? Too many, at least too many for me not wanting to be an annoying pest and get (justly) backslapped. This will make the third time I've suggested this or concured with a "vote <span style='color:green'>yes</span>" if somebody else suggested it... so here are the suggested details for the last time I'll say it:
Off Topic - non-serious, non-NS topics; more lenient on silliness but spammage gets deleted (NOT locked)
Discussions - serious, non-NS, intelligent debate and inquiry topics; respect for others beliefs and common sense things like being considerate of others feelings are mandatory here, a serious debate forum | |-- subforum Politics Related | |-- subforum Science & Technology Related | |-- subforum Morality & Religion Related | |-- subforum Hybrid Related - topics that don't fit in the previous three | |-- a single Post: FAQ, Rules, and telling what kinds of topics go where. This post would explain that while a thread about a science thing that raises a moral question (like cloneing) would go in the Morality & Religion subforum a topic about the issues and NS members' feelings about AI would go in Hybrid.
Now, CWAG i think you should be barred/restricted from posting or viewing the morality & religion related forum and "under watch" for the hybrid, simply because, as you can/did admit yourself, the intolerant, offensive attitude of some members (no names mentioned) riles you up. I don't want to see you banned because it is nice to have a different perspective, a different angle to view things. It is good for everyone, even the people you may have thought despised you actually missed not being able to debate with you. (a revelation made apparent with Swiftspear's random "unban CWAG sig pic & avatar campaign")
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
x5, what you are not thinking about is how much work that would be for the mods.
deleated (actualy mooved) posts ussed to be more common. However with the size of the community as it is atm it is very hard to clip out each offensive/rule breaking post.
If most of a thread is breaking the rules then it gets locked, if only one or 2 posts are bad the mods still try to nip it in the bud.
To implement the type of system you want then it would take ALOT more mods.
I don't mean to be a maker of obvious points, especially when it's the posting of a fellow forumite at stake, but the very nature of a discussion is an argument. Human nature dictates that we will lose our rag at some time in an argument, especially if it is in a subject that is close to our hearts, or something we feel strongly about.
The only thing that needs to be remembered in a discussion, is that the other side *WILL* have conflicting opinions about the topic, and it is up to you to try and coerce them otherwise. If the opposition can do nothing but to flame, and rant, then they should not be given the priviledge to post in a discussion. However, if a person makes a comment that is not in the correct context, like my single-line flame at Snidely, for which I am still disappointed in myself for making, then the guilty party should be given a time-frame in which to amend their ways, like I did with my comment. Other posters whould amend any quotes as necessary, and the guilty should apologise to the offended.
I don;t eblieve that someone whoudl get a "Restricted" status, just because of a mis-placed comment, but of the non-intention of going back, and fixing their errors.
Even so, if you do go CWAG, then you shall be sorely missed. Even if people didn't have the priviledge of talking to you, or sharing in your unique views, your influence will ensure that you will be missed.
At the end of the day, it's you choice to make, not anyone else's. No-one will think any worse of you if you do decide to back away from all the forums.
I think the very reason why discussion forum is disliked is the reason why they shouldn't be split up, because discussions get off topic a lot and it is better to draw them back than shout "wrong thread moron".
Besides, I like the fact that you get to see so much, the forum doesn't move so much that we need seperate areas either.
<!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Apr 21 2005, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Apr 21 2005, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hey i'll be the first one to admit that i deserved my restriction. too many people think they are free to do whatever they want and be degenerates. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As long as they don't break the law, <b>they are</b>.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->whether you like it or not, you have to pay taxes, obey the law, and have to deal with media censorship, and have other people's moral values imposed on you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I don't. At least not the way you intend it. You mean that I have to have your views imposed on me, even though the freedom your restricting has nothing to do with you at all, simply because a large number of people consider it "wrong". Well you know what? It doesn't matter. Many people consider it wrong to have sex out of wedlock, but it isn't illegal. Know why? Because Law isn't about morality, or at least it shouldn't be. Thats my problem with people like you. You think that law should enforce morality, and specifically your morality, as though you have some right to tell me how to live my life if I'm not bothering anybody else. It bothers me to no end that people like you exist, in abundance no less.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->living in a democracy doesn't mean you are allowed to do whatever the hell you want. you seem to have a problem understanding this, and worst yet, when other people's values are different from yours, you flame them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't flame you because your values are different. I flamed you because you think you have the right to tell others how to live their lives.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i've read all your reasons and they're not adequate to condone the said behaviors, but this is getting too off topic.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And thats exactly why I said you were imposible to reason with, because anybody who can't see the logic either isn't trying, or is deliberately ignoring the obvious for the sake of maintaining their world view.
Hell, if I felt like being banned then I'd be flaming you right now, because people like you bother me greatly. You stand against everything this country was founded for.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 21 2005, 03:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 21 2005, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hell, if I felt like being banned then I'd be flaming you right now, <b>because people like you disgust me. You stand against everything this country was founded for.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You <i>are</i> flaming him.
Skulkbait, don't carry over what was left off in the forum you got restricted from.
Marik_SteeleTo rule in hell...Join Date: 2002-11-20Member: 9466Members
I think this thread served its purpose (letting people know CWAG may be going away for awhile, whether through a ban or simply not logging on so often). Time to lock before certain people get more angry.
Comments
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at the local Mac Donalds.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
YES
...Although I'd never date anyone from work. That could backfire real nasty-like.
On a more serious note, I don't understand why people hate the discussion forum so much. Is it the idea of people having different opinions to yours or something? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That not it really. The problem is that when someone can't back up their opinion with argument they often turn to flaming. What makes matters worse is when people repeat arguments that were soundly defeated pages ago in the thread several times. It gets on the nerves of normally rational people and the become more agressive. Of course, the flames just insite more flames and things go downhill in a hurry. This is all compounded by the fact that logical fallicies (straw man is a favorite) abound.
The thing is that the first two are against the rules. It was bad a few weeks back, I'll admit, when the mods didn't seem to be around (the whole AvengerX thing), but usually it's fairly well meaning. It's been slow of late due to just religion threads, but there's the occasional good read.
If normally rational people succumb to the dark side, they're just banned from discussions is all (as we're seeing here with CWAG). No harm done, really.
The only people who have the right to complain about discussions are the mods who clean it up periodically. The rest of us don't have to put up with it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> either move this over to the discussions forum or lock it..It's really going nowhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Erm, then Skulkbait wouldn't be able to reply. And if you don't like where the thread's going, <i>don't read it</i>.
The thing is that the first two are against the rules. It was bad a few weeks back, I'll admit, when the mods didn't seem to be around (the whole AvengerX thing), but usually it's fairly well meaning. It's been slow of late due to just religion threads, but there's the occasional good read.
If normally rational people succumb to the dark side, they're just banned from discussions is all (as we're seeing here with CWAG). No harm done, really.
The only people who have the right to complain about discussions are the mods who clean it up periodically. The rest of us don't have to put up with it.
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I seem to have forgotten to finish what I was saying: people hate the discussion forum because all this flaming and argument sows hatred between members of the community.
I was simply replying with my concerns as to how this thread has turned out. I'm sorry if that has offended you, but there is no need to tell me what I should or shouldn't do. I'll reserve that right for myself and the moderators.
Anyway, I'll clam up now. I didn't mean to derail this as much as I have.
Edit: you'd have to do a lot more than post civilly to offend me. (:
well to be fair i was flamed first, and those who said the same opinions were defeated pages ago, i've read the whole thread and their aruguments were not very convincing. and then all these immature people starting calling me a facist and starting swearing #@$@# at me.
i admit it was my fault and poor judgement that i flamed back, but i didn't start it! they threw feces at me and i tossed it back
Your rudeish knowitall commie personality is why I love you man. You are funny (hence the sig <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) and generally a cool person to have around.
You are restricted from discusssion, leave it at that, then you don't have to worry about going in there and upseting anyone. (Which happens to everyone, and everyone upsets people there, that's what oppinions do, and that's why the discussion forum exists, to p*ss people off and let them enjoy it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
This place sucked the last time you were banned, there was no local propoganda guy to post snide remarks to everything, and we need that.
Don't go!
well to be fair i was flamed first, and those who said the same opinions were defeated pages ago, i've read the whole thread and their aruguments were not very convincing. and then all these immature people starting calling me a facist and starting swearing #@$@# at me.
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The arguments you had brought up A) were bad arguments, B) had been done before in just aobut every homosexuality thread that had come before C) completely hatefull and ignorant. I flamed you whilst arguing because, quite frankly, I'm totally sick of trying to deal with you and your ilk in a rational manner. People like you don't listen to reason. I know what I did was against the rules, and I did it anyway, and I'm not sorry for what I said. I understand and accept the consequences of my actions, and you should too. You had no right under forum rules to flame back, you knew this and you did it anyway. Thats why you were restricted too. You deserve it just as much as I do.
I would like to comment that the rules in the Discussion forum have hardly been enforced as of late and many more people then CWAG and illuminex are at fault. Not that I want to see anyone else restricted, I just think a new warning followed by stricter enforcement would have been more prudent.
You can't leave the rules un-enforced for some odd months and then randomly come in and beat the first offenses that catch your eye. The enforcement of the rules must remain consistent if it is to seem fair.
Stop flameing (take it to Discussion).
I don't want to see a prominent member of the comunity's (possible) last thread get locked.
That would just suck.
It doesn't for me actually, I may seriously dislike some of the beliefs people have but that doesn't stop them from being decent people. All those that end up in a NS discussion forum must be at least slightly similar or they would never have met. Besides, how can you hate someone?
I value the discussion forum precisely because there is such a mix of views and opinions. It gives me a broader idea of peoples views because I'm not limited by culture or geography. I have lots of respect for people like DarkATI who, despite the fact we have different views on some things, always come across as a mature, friendly individual and I honestly enjoy the discussions even as I get frustrated <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
well to be fair i was flamed first, and those who said the same opinions were defeated pages ago, i've read the whole thread and their aruguments were not very convincing. and then all these immature people starting calling me a facist and starting swearing #@$@# at me.
i admit it was my fault and poor judgement that i flamed back, but i didn't start it! they threw feces at me and i tossed it back <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The arguments you had brought up A) were bad arguments, B) had been done before in just aobut every homosexuality thread that had come before C) completely hatefull and ignorant. I flamed you whilst arguing because, quite frankly, I'm totally sick of trying to deal with you and your ilk in a rational manner. People like you don't listen to reason. I know what I did was against the rules, and I did it anyway, and I'm not sorry for what I said. I understand and accept the consequences of my actions, and you should too. You had no right under forum rules to flame back, you knew this and you did it anyway. Thats why you were restricted too. You deserve it just as much as I do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hey i'll be the first one to admit that i deserved my restriction. too many people think they are free to do whatever they want and be degenerates. whether you like it or not, you have to pay taxes, obey the law, and have to deal with media censorship, and have other people's moral values imposed on you. living in a democracy doesn't mean you are allowed to do whatever the hell you want. you seem to have a problem understanding this, and worst yet, when other people's values are different from yours, you flame them. i've read all your reasons and they're not adequate to condone the said behaviors, but this is getting too off topic.
in the end, i'm glad i'm banned from the dicussion forums. one less headache i have to deal with.
cwag: you're taking this waaaayy too personally. lighten up
It's always hard to tell if it's a test of people's reactions (what do people think of me?), a genuine leaving thread (I ain't coming back!!!) or sometimes even just a monologue (hmmm... think think think).
I don't mind CWAG though we haven't talked since waaaay back directly (dunno if that's just because I've not been on any IM/IRC type stuff these days or whatever) soooooo I don't have an opinion :p
Dunno why you'd want to run off cwaggy but if you did leave like you said in the post then I don't know why I'm typing this because you won't read it ~blinks and scratches head~
oh and...
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awww... I thought I was the forum cheerleader? :3
Peace.
Get over it. Its <b>not</b> the end of the world. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
...I though I was decent at least... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> *crushed*
<b><span style='color:red'>Discussion forum needs to be split into subforums.</span></b>
How many times have I suggested/asked for this only to get the "silent treatment" from the mods? Too many, at least too many for me not wanting to be an annoying pest and get (justly) backslapped. This will make the third time I've suggested this or concured with a "vote <span style='color:green'>yes</span>" if somebody else suggested it... so here are the suggested details for the last time I'll say it:
Off Topic - non-serious, non-NS topics; more lenient on silliness but spammage gets deleted (NOT locked)
Discussions - serious, non-NS, intelligent debate and inquiry topics; respect for others beliefs and common sense things like being considerate of others feelings are mandatory here, a serious debate forum
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|-- subforum Politics Related
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|-- subforum Science & Technology Related
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|-- subforum Morality & Religion Related
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|-- subforum Hybrid Related - topics that don't fit in the previous three
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|-- a single Post: FAQ, Rules, and telling what kinds of topics go where. This post would explain that while a thread about a science thing that raises a moral question (like cloneing) would go in the Morality & Religion subforum a topic about the issues and NS members' feelings about AI would go in Hybrid.
Now, CWAG i think you should be barred/restricted from posting or viewing the morality & religion related forum and "under watch" for the hybrid, simply because, as you can/did admit yourself, the intolerant, offensive attitude of some members (no names mentioned) riles you up. I don't want to see you banned because it is nice to have a different perspective, a different angle to view things. It is good for everyone, even the people you may have thought despised you actually missed not being able to debate with you. (a revelation made apparent with Swiftspear's random "unban CWAG sig pic & avatar campaign")
deleated (actualy mooved) posts ussed to be more common. However with the size of the community as it is atm it is very hard to clip out each offensive/rule breaking post.
If most of a thread is breaking the rules then it gets locked, if only one or 2 posts are bad the mods still try to nip it in the bud.
To implement the type of system you want then it would take ALOT more mods.
The only thing that needs to be remembered in a discussion, is that the other side *WILL* have conflicting opinions about the topic, and it is up to you to try and coerce them otherwise. If the opposition can do nothing but to flame, and rant, then they should not be given the priviledge to post in a discussion. However, if a person makes a comment that is not in the correct context, like my single-line flame at Snidely, for which I am still disappointed in myself for making, then the guilty party should be given a time-frame in which to amend their ways, like I did with my comment. Other posters whould amend any quotes as necessary, and the guilty should apologise to the offended.
I don;t eblieve that someone whoudl get a "Restricted" status, just because of a mis-placed comment, but of the non-intention of going back, and fixing their errors.
Even so, if you do go CWAG, then you shall be sorely missed. Even if people didn't have the priviledge of talking to you, or sharing in your unique views, your influence will ensure that you will be missed.
At the end of the day, it's you choice to make, not anyone else's. No-one will think any worse of you if you do decide to back away from all the forums.
Best of luck in the future.
Adam (Lt Patch)
Besides, I like the fact that you get to see so much, the forum doesn't move so much that we need seperate areas either.
As long as they don't break the law, <b>they are</b>.
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No, I don't. At least not the way you intend it. You mean that I have to have your views imposed on me, even though the freedom your restricting has nothing to do with you at all, simply because a large number of people consider it "wrong". Well you know what? It doesn't matter. Many people consider it wrong to have sex out of wedlock, but it isn't illegal. Know why? Because Law isn't about morality, or at least it shouldn't be. Thats my problem with people like you. You think that law should enforce morality, and specifically your morality, as though you have some right to tell me how to live my life if I'm not bothering anybody else. It bothers me to no end that people like you exist, in abundance no less.
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I didn't flame you because your values are different. I flamed you because you think you have the right to tell others how to live their lives.
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And thats exactly why I said you were imposible to reason with, because anybody who can't see the logic either isn't trying, or is deliberately ignoring the obvious for the sake of maintaining their world view.
Hell, if I felt like being banned then I'd be flaming you right now, because people like you bother me greatly. You stand against everything this country was founded for.
You <i>are</i> flaming him.
Skulkbait, don't carry over what was left off in the forum you got restricted from.