water > all<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> H2O FTW! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I drink a gallon a day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good for you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I feel that a gallon a day should be the minimum, it's not even close to as much as people think. (Invest a couple of bucks in a good water bottle and drink water throughout the day, refilling the bottle when you have a chance.)
Caffeine is a drug like any other. You're not exactly likely to get addicted, Gem, since you drink it so irregularly and sparsely. It'd be like having a cigarette every few months: One cigarette won't kill you or get you addicted, but it's still harmful.
If you're tired, the best thing you can do is go to sleep. If you need coffee in the mornings, try eating only fruit instead. One factor that contributes to people drinking coffee in the morning is that they eat a breakfast of mostly grain, and grain takes a lot of energy to digest, so you feel tired. Fruit is easy to digest and provides a lot of energy, so you usually won't feel so tired that you need caffeine to get you going.
It may sound odd, but when I wake up now and grab my water bottle as opposed to 2 mugs (6 cups) of coffee I USED to drink in the mornings, it actually wakes me up quicker, and I lose the morning grogginess faster than I did while sipping my morning coffee. That, and my stomach doesn't churn anymore and I lost the jitters.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tea! Thats the way forward. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> .... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm...
<!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tea! Thats the way forward. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> .... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Quit plugging ethnic food in a caffeine topic.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Apr 15 2005, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Apr 15 2005, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tea! Thats the way forward. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> .... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Quit plugging ethnic food in a caffeine topic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The point is tea! TEA! Full of caffeine! The old man brought the crumpet war in <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Apr 15 2005, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Apr 15 2005, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Apr 15 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Apr 15 2005, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tea! Thats the way forward. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> .... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Quit plugging ethnic food in a caffeine topic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The point is tea! TEA! Full of caffeine! The old man brought the crumpet war in <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Old man? Respect your elders ya tea-toteler. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and pikelets are the same as crumpets, just thinner. Not pancake thin, somewhere in bewteen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
water > all<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> H2O FTW! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I drink a gallon a day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good for you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I feel that a gallon a day should be the minimum, it's not even close to as much as people think. (Invest a couple of bucks in a good water bottle and drink water throughout the day, refilling the bottle when you have a chance.)
Caffeine is a drug like any other. You're not exactly likely to get addicted, Gem, since you drink it so irregularly and sparsely. It'd be like having a cigarette every few months: One cigarette won't kill you or get you addicted, but it's still harmful.
If you're tired, the best thing you can do is go to sleep. If you need coffee in the mornings, try eating only fruit instead. One factor that contributes to people drinking coffee in the morning is that they eat a breakfast of mostly grain, and grain takes a lot of energy to digest, so you feel tired. Fruit is easy to digest and provides a lot of energy, so you usually won't feel so tired that you need caffeine to get you going.
Okay, I'm going to stop ranting now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Smart girl. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (wait you are are girl right? grr, curse your Nem0 for ambiguity!)
But seriously, you give sound advice here. I concur. Also, a gallon of water is good for you as it flushes out many toxins and keeps you very well hydrated. Just don't drink it all at once. (something I did once; gave a whole new meaning to needing to go to the restroom... yeah...)
<!--QuoteBegin-big jim+Apr 15 2005, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (big jim @ Apr 15 2005, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tea is truly the way forward.
Oh and pikelets are the same as crumpets, just thinner. Not pancake thin, somewhere in bewteen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yay Tea D:
Caffeine is indeed bad, father drinks too much coke, it's sad :x And usually when you get jittery from it, that's really bad.
I however am addicted to tea, so it's just as bad. *Whee*
<!--QuoteBegin-the x5+Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the x5 @ Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now personally, I've found on a scale of addictiveness observed from others the addictiveness and severity (from worst to least): ethanol > tetrahydrocannabinol > trimethylxanthine (alcohol, marijuana, caffeine) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How is this a valid comparison, when one of the three is physically and chemically addictive, while the other two are merely psycological addictions?
<!--QuoteBegin-Elderwyrm+Apr 15 2005, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elderwyrm @ Apr 15 2005, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-the x5+Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the x5 @ Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now personally, I've found on a scale of addictiveness observed from others the addictiveness and severity (from worst to least): ethanol > tetrahydrocannabinol > trimethylxanthine (alcohol, marijuana, caffeine) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How is this a valid comparison, when one of the three is physically and chemically addictive, while the other two are merely psycological addictions? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, alcohol, marijuana and caffeine raise dopamine levels, just to a different degree, making it a fair comparison. Also, they all work on a chemical level (and physical too, I suppose), as they all affect neurotransmitters such as dopamine as well as others.
I don't quite know what you mean by a psychological addiction though. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Apr 15 2005, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Apr 15 2005, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Elderwyrm+Apr 15 2005, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elderwyrm @ Apr 15 2005, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-the x5+Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the x5 @ Apr 14 2005, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now personally, I've found on a scale of addictiveness observed from others the addictiveness and severity (from worst to least): ethanol > tetrahydrocannabinol > trimethylxanthine (alcohol, marijuana, caffeine) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How is this a valid comparison, when one of the three is physically and chemically addictive, while the other two are merely psycological addictions? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, alcohol, marijuana and caffeine raise dopamine levels, just to a different degree, making it a fair comparison. Also, they all work on a chemical level (and physical too, I suppose), as they all affect neurotransmitters such as dopamine as well as others.
I don't quite know what you mean by a psychological addiction though. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I suppose he means that you develop that addiction by the constant thinking of "Wow, this helps me wake/keep me energized, so I'll continue drinking it when I'm tired/sluggish."
...at least I think, if the subject in mind was caffeine.
Physical Addiction is when the substance chemically makes you addicted to it. You'll be unable to get off of it without suffering withdrawal. Examples of physically addictive drugs include caffeine (most people who are addicted to caffeine get headaches if they don't take it often enough) and nicotine (i.e. tobacco cigarettes).
Psychological Addiction is when you get addicted to a drug for a psychological reason. This would include stuff like Alcoholism or addiction to video games.
I'm not a doctor, so these are just what I think the definitions of the two types of addiction are.
Caffeine actually lowers a person's risk for such things as liver cancer, kidney cancer, and diabetes.
However caffeine withdrawal is the ugly thing. I know people who drink at least three cups in the morning and absolutely cannot go without. They'll shake, they'll get headakes; it's real ugly. Of course, your body will cope with it within a few 'sober' days, but the withdrawal is a serious barrier for people who wish to quit.
<!--QuoteBegin-the x5+Apr 15 2005, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the x5 @ Apr 15 2005, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smart girl. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (wait you are are girl right? grr, curse your Nem0 for ambiguity!)
But seriously, you give sound advice here. I concur. Also, a gallon of water is good for you as it flushes out many toxins and keeps you very well hydrated. Just don't drink it all at once. (something I did once; gave a whole new meaning to needing to go to the restroom... yeah...)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Make your own decision. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <img src='http://www.brainferrets.com/other/omgzboyorgirl.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Heh, yeah. I usually drink nearly two gallons a day. Eating properly and drinking enough water really makes you feel great.
The last time I had coffee, though, I felt incredibly sick. That really surprised me, because I used to drink at least two litres of cola every day for years. Seems that my body is rejecting it. Woo, go body.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Caffeine actually lowers a person's risk for such things as liver cancer, kidney cancer, and diabetes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Those things wouldn't be much of a problem at all if people ate properly and drank enough water. :/ I can't honestly recommend that you guys eat raw meat, unless you're raising the animals yourself and know exactly what's going in to them, but a human's diet should consist of raw fruits, raw vegetables and raw meat, as well as a SMALL amount of raw grain, OCCASIONALLY. (It helps to push things through.)
I believe that cancer is caused by a lack of oxygen to the cells. Raw foods, as well as water, all deliver oxygen to the body, which helps to prevent this.
If people didn't eat refined sugars, diabetes wouldn't even happen. Fruits and vegetables deliver all of the sugar you need.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They'll shake, they'll get headakes; it's real ugly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem is that while on caffeine, they'll still be getting shakes and headaches. :/ It may be slightly more minor, but they're still there. And they probably attribute the headaches to something else.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe that cancer is caused by a lack of oxygen to the cells. Raw foods, as well as water, all deliver oxygen to the body, which helps to prevent this. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cancer is caused by a damn lot of things, one of them being oxygen free radicals iirc, and what do raw foods and water have to do with delivering oxygen?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If people didn't eat refined sugars, diabetes wouldn't even happen. Fruits and vegetables deliver all of the sugar you need.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, extreme amounts of sugar can cause diabetes, but it easily occurs naturally, both type I and type II.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is that while on caffeine, they'll still be getting shakes and headaches. :/ It may be slightly more minor, but they're still there. And they probably attribute the headaches to something else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine?
*Edit* Re-read this just after posting and I'm sorry if I come off as an ****, just wanted to know where your getting your information from <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've been drinking Mountain Dew for so long that it has a calming effect on me. I don't get headaches when I don't drink it, but taking a drink of Dew after a stressful day is very relaxing for some reason.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Apr 15 2005, 08:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Apr 15 2005, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe that cancer is caused by a lack of oxygen to the cells. Raw foods, as well as water, all deliver oxygen to the body, which helps to prevent this. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cancer is caused by a damn lot of things, one of them being oxygen free radicals iirc, and what do raw foods and water have to do with delivering oxygen? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay, thanks for clarifying about the causes of cancer. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Raw foods contain lots of water, and water contains lots of oxygen.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If people didn't eat refined sugars, diabetes wouldn't even happen. Fruits and vegetables deliver all of the sugar you need.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, extreme amounts of sugar can cause diabetes, but it easily occurs naturally, both type I and type II.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My mistake again. Is it hereditary, or could it possibly be caused by a poor diet? (Such as milk from a mother on a poor diet or the use of formula?) Or possibly something else?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is that while on caffeine, they'll still be getting shakes and headaches. :/ It may be slightly more minor, but they're still there. And they probably attribute the headaches to something else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Eh, sounds like your body is used to it, or the effects are so minor that you don't notice it. That doesn't mean that it's thriving with it, though... Think of it like this: Your body is a rowboat. Having a rowboat with no leaks means that you can focus all of your energy on rowing. If, however, your rowboat has a leak, you have to focus energy on rowing as well as dumping the water out. If you have to do that, you don't row as well because you're using energy to remove the water.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Apr 15 2005, 09:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Apr 15 2005, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is that while on caffeine, they'll still be getting shakes and headaches. :/ It may be slightly more minor, but they're still there. And they probably attribute the headaches to something else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> Insane...
<!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Apr 15 2005, 10:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Apr 15 2005, 10:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Apr 15 2005, 09:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Apr 15 2005, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is that while on caffeine, they'll still be getting shakes and headaches. :/ It may be slightly more minor, but they're still there. And they probably attribute the headaches to something else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> Insane... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, I know someone else who's genetic make-up should be coke..haha..
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Apr 16 2005, 01:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Apr 16 2005, 01:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe that cancer is caused by a lack of oxygen to the cells. Raw foods, as well as water, all deliver oxygen to the body, which helps to prevent this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> More oxygen > more oxidation and free radicals = more chance for cell damage/cancer. The reason fruit and veg are beneficial is because they're full of antioxidants which reduce free radicals.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Apr 16 2005, 04:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Apr 16 2005, 04:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If people didn't eat refined sugars, diabetes wouldn't even happen. Fruits and vegetables deliver all of the sugar you need.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, extreme amounts of sugar can cause diabetes, but it easily occurs naturally, both type I and type II.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My mistake again. Is it hereditary, or could it possibly be caused by a poor diet? (Such as milk from a mother on a poor diet or the use of formula?) Or possibly something else? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Type I diabetes is otherwise known as Juvenile Diabetes. It occurs when the structures in the pancreas which produce insulin themselves stop working. There are several causes for this, but one of them is hereditary. Obviously due to the alternative name, is mainly affects children and young adults, and is also quite rare.
Type II diabetes is the more common of the 2, and is caused by the body's cells no longer recognising the insulin you produce, but the pancreas still produces insulin itself. This affects several groups, mainly the old, giving it its alternative name of Mature Onset Diabetes. This is the type which can be caused by having a high fat/sugar diet.
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Do you know anything about the distillation technique or sublimation? Do you have access to distillery or equivalent lab equipment? Do you have a lot of money and free time to spend? This isn't a dabber level project, it really requires some experience.
I do however have a good suggestion you could try: Do you know the history behind decaffeinated coffee? Like many inventions it was an accidental discovery...
<u>Coffee History Summary:</u> Let us move back a few steps in time to the lands known as Ethiopia and Yemen, about 600 AD where locals boiled the complete fruit of the little understood coffee Arabica plant. Not far from there was the now dry port of Il Mucha, hence the name Mocha. Rumor has it a sheep herder, named Kaldi, noticed his goats were enthusiastically eating the fruit of the coffee plant. Why did they do it? It seems the caffeine buzz gave the goat that extra something for keeping his ewes happy. Coffee didn't really have that grand an entrance in the early days of mass consumerism. Needless to say, there were no Starbucks in early Middle Eastern history. People were making a drink out of the coffee berry husk, called Kishir, still drunk till this day in some Middle-eastern ethnic communities. Roasting the green beans, the way we do it today, may have begun as early as 1000 AD, how or why, we do not know. Perhaps by chance, or accident, a tradition was born. Arab traders and their countrymen were roasting and drinking coffee by the end of the 13th century. It was good as gold and in political circles would give them an enormous trading tool. Eventually, coffee cultivation spread west, deeper into Africa, despite dedicated attempts to control the movement of the plants. The Arabs made every effort to prevent other countries from getting fertile beans for cultivation. Coffee beans couldn't even be taken out of the country unless the seed was killed by boiling or drying the beans. Africa and Arabia had a monopoly on coffee until the 1600's. For the longest time, North Africa and the Middle East were the world's only source for coffee. It may have been ingenious traders that first smuggled some of the un-sterilized beans out of the region. It is unclear. At some point in time, some early entrepreneurs put their life on the line in the name of early international commerce. By the middle of the 16th Century, coffee was being enjoyed in Egypt, Syria, Persia and Turkey. Cafes flourished in cities like Baghdad, Istanbul and Cairo. Cafes of London would soon be referred to as the "penny universities". One's education, and access to this new social environment, could be had for the price of a cup of coffee! By 1608, coffee found its way to Vienna, Austria, home of Europe's first cafes. In 1690, the <u>Dutch</u>, <i>not</i> the Spanish, became the first to transport and cultivate coffee in the "New World." They spirited the beans or seedlings out of the Arab port of Mocha and transported them to Ceylon and the East Indies for cultivation. A French naval officer, Gabriel de Clieu, smuggled the precious seedlings to Martinique in 1715. By the 18th Century, Europe was hooked up to coffee in a way that would change their social fabric and consuming habits forever. The Cafe revolution, as we know it today in the Western World, was about to begin. With coffee consumption booming in the new world, better methods of coffee brewing techniques followed from Europe. In 1822, a Frenchman named Louis Bernard Rabaut invented a machine which, by using steam, forced the hot water through the coffee grounds instead of the typical 'drip' method – thus the birth of the first espresso machine. By 1901, Luigi Bezzera built the first coffee machine that contained a boiler. Boiling water and steam were forced through the filters, much like the modern design (portafilters), and espresso coffee was now being brewed in an entirely new way. Then in 1905 the Pavoni company began manufacturing machines based on the Bezzera style machine. They mass produced these machines and in 1927 the first espresso machine was installed in the United States at Regio's Cafe, in New York, where it is still in use today. In 1938 Cremonesi developed a piston pump that forced hot (but not boiling) water through the coffee. Earlier espresso machines had forced steam through the coffee, causing a burnt flavor. This new design was first used at Achille Gaggia's coffee bar. After World War II, Gaggia begins manufacturing a commercial piston machine. This espresso coffee had a layer of foam that we call "crema" today. In 1961, M. Faema created a pump-based machine where the water is forced through the finely ground coffee by an electric pump. This, and other similar machines, would bring cafe quality espresso into the average home. Espresso machines have had many design changes in order to produce a consistent product. Early designs were based on the operator deciding when to stop the machine but now we rely on digital timing.
Decaffeinated coffee was first invented in 1903, as I said before, by accident. You see back in 1903, many cargo ships were wooden sail ships and as anyone who knows a thing or two about these ships, they leak. A shipment of coffee from the Americas was bound for Europe, but the containers weren't sealed well and for some reason or another, the beans got soaked with salt water. The company was desperate to find a solution that would recoup some of the massive loss on this ruined shipment and upon investigation the coffee still tasted fine but had practically no caffeine! Tada! And what was it named? Sanka, from the French phrase, "Sans Caffeine."
When you read "97% Caffeine Free", 97% of that 1% or 2% has been removed. There are currently two methods used commercially that remove caffeine from coffee: European Process & Swiss Water Process.
<u>European Process</u> Most decaf coffees are made using a chemical process first used in Europe. This process involves soaking the beans in water and then "washing" them in methylene chloride (better than ocean salts) to absorb the caffeine from the bean. After this, the beans are rinsed clean of the chemicals, dried and shipped to the coffee roasters. The advantage of this method is that it provides decaf coffee with more flavor than the Swiss water processing. Although there is virtually no trace of any chemicals left in the bean after roasting, some people are uncomfortable knowing that the coffee they are drinking was chemically processed.
<u>Swiss Water Process</u> The second method is known as "Swiss water processing". This process uses no chemicals, but rather hot water and steam to remove the caffeine from the coffee. The "life" of the bean is taken into the water, and then the water solution put through activated charcoal filters to remove the caffeine. Once the caffeine is removed, these same beans are then put back into the decaffeinated solution to re-absorb everything except the caffeine. The beans are then dried and shipped to the roasters. The disadvantage is that the water processing removes more than just the caffeine. Some of the oils from the coffee bean are removed as well, making it less flavorful.
The best thing to do for those who really want this kind of decaf is to start out with a high quality, Arabica bean. Even though some of the flavor will be lost, there will still be a lot left to enjoy.
other neat facts: <a href='http://www.gragson.com/coffee/coffeehistory.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.gragson.com/coffee/coffeehistory.htm</a>
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water > all<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
H2O FTW! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I drink a gallon a day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good for you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I feel that a gallon a day should be the minimum, it's not even close to as much as people think. (Invest a couple of bucks in a good water bottle and drink water throughout the day, refilling the bottle when you have a chance.)
Caffeine is a drug like any other. You're not exactly likely to get addicted, Gem, since you drink it so irregularly and sparsely. It'd be like having a cigarette every few months: One cigarette won't kill you or get you addicted, but it's still harmful.
If you're tired, the best thing you can do is go to sleep. If you need coffee in the mornings, try eating only fruit instead. One factor that contributes to people drinking coffee in the morning is that they eat a breakfast of mostly grain, and grain takes a lot of energy to digest, so you feel tired. Fruit is easy to digest and provides a lot of energy, so you usually won't feel so tired that you need caffeine to get you going.
Okay, I'm going to stop ranting now.
.... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
.... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm...
.... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quit plugging ethnic food in a caffeine topic.
.... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quit plugging ethnic food in a caffeine topic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point is tea! TEA! Full of caffeine! The old man brought the crumpet war in <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
.... and krumpets m8? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope that wasn't and unprovoked attack on my customs. For your information crumpets are spelt crumpets, so go shove a crumpet where the crumpet don't shine.
Also known as Pikelets up north, I believe. And there's nothin' nicer than a butter infested lightly toasted crumpet, maybe with some sort of jam on top. Mmmmm... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quit plugging ethnic food in a caffeine topic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point is tea! TEA! Full of caffeine! The old man brought the crumpet war in <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old man? Respect your elders ya tea-toteler. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and pikelets are the same as crumpets, just thinner. Not pancake thin, somewhere in bewteen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
water > all<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
H2O FTW! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I drink a gallon a day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good for you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I feel that a gallon a day should be the minimum, it's not even close to as much as people think. (Invest a couple of bucks in a good water bottle and drink water throughout the day, refilling the bottle when you have a chance.)
Caffeine is a drug like any other. You're not exactly likely to get addicted, Gem, since you drink it so irregularly and sparsely. It'd be like having a cigarette every few months: One cigarette won't kill you or get you addicted, but it's still harmful.
If you're tired, the best thing you can do is go to sleep. If you need coffee in the mornings, try eating only fruit instead. One factor that contributes to people drinking coffee in the morning is that they eat a breakfast of mostly grain, and grain takes a lot of energy to digest, so you feel tired. Fruit is easy to digest and provides a lot of energy, so you usually won't feel so tired that you need caffeine to get you going.
Okay, I'm going to stop ranting now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Smart girl. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (wait you are are girl right? grr, curse your Nem0 for ambiguity!)
But seriously, you give sound advice here. I concur. Also, a gallon of water is good for you as it flushes out many toxins and keeps you very well hydrated. Just don't drink it all at once. (something I did once; gave a whole new meaning to needing to go to the restroom... yeah...)
Oh and pikelets are the same as crumpets, just thinner. Not pancake thin, somewhere in bewteen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yay Tea D:
Caffeine is indeed bad, father drinks too much coke, it's sad :x And usually when you get jittery from it, that's really bad.
I however am addicted to tea, so it's just as bad. *Whee*
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How is this a valid comparison, when one of the three is physically and chemically addictive, while the other two are merely psycological addictions?
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How is this a valid comparison, when one of the three is physically and chemically addictive, while the other two are merely psycological addictions? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, alcohol, marijuana and caffeine raise dopamine levels, just to a different degree, making it a fair comparison. Also, they all work on a chemical level (and physical too, I suppose), as they all affect neurotransmitters such as dopamine as well as others.
I don't quite know what you mean by a psychological addiction though. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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How is this a valid comparison, when one of the three is physically and chemically addictive, while the other two are merely psycological addictions? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, alcohol, marijuana and caffeine raise dopamine levels, just to a different degree, making it a fair comparison. Also, they all work on a chemical level (and physical too, I suppose), as they all affect neurotransmitters such as dopamine as well as others.
I don't quite know what you mean by a psychological addiction though. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I suppose he means that you develop that addiction by the constant thinking of "Wow, this helps me wake/keep me energized, so I'll continue drinking it when I'm tired/sluggish."
...at least I think, if the subject in mind was caffeine.
Psychological Addiction is when you get addicted to a drug for a psychological reason. This would include stuff like Alcoholism or addiction to video games.
I'm not a doctor, so these are just what I think the definitions of the two types of addiction are.
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WOOHOO. hell ya. i love water.
However caffeine withdrawal is the ugly thing. I know people who drink at least three cups in the morning and absolutely cannot go without. They'll shake, they'll get headakes; it's real ugly. Of course, your body will cope with it within a few 'sober' days, but the withdrawal is a serious barrier for people who wish to quit.
But seriously, you give sound advice here. I concur. Also, a gallon of water is good for you as it flushes out many toxins and keeps you very well hydrated. Just don't drink it all at once. (something I did once; gave a whole new meaning to needing to go to the restroom... yeah...)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Make your own decision. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Heh, yeah. I usually drink nearly two gallons a day. Eating properly and drinking enough water really makes you feel great.
The last time I had coffee, though, I felt incredibly sick. That really surprised me, because I used to drink at least two litres of cola every day for years. Seems that my body is rejecting it. Woo, go body.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Caffeine actually lowers a person's risk for such things as liver cancer, kidney cancer, and diabetes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Those things wouldn't be much of a problem at all if people ate properly and drank enough water. :/ I can't honestly recommend that you guys eat raw meat, unless you're raising the animals yourself and know exactly what's going in to them, but a human's diet should consist of raw fruits, raw vegetables and raw meat, as well as a SMALL amount of raw grain, OCCASIONALLY. (It helps to push things through.)
I believe that cancer is caused by a lack of oxygen to the cells. Raw foods, as well as water, all deliver oxygen to the body, which helps to prevent this.
If people didn't eat refined sugars, diabetes wouldn't even happen. Fruits and vegetables deliver all of the sugar you need.
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The problem is that while on caffeine, they'll still be getting shakes and headaches. :/ It may be slightly more minor, but they're still there. And they probably attribute the headaches to something else.
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Cancer is caused by a damn lot of things, one of them being oxygen free radicals iirc, and what do raw foods and water have to do with delivering oxygen?
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Yes, extreme amounts of sugar can cause diabetes, but it easily occurs naturally, both type I and type II.
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I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine?
*Edit* Re-read this just after posting and I'm sorry if I come off as an ****, just wanted to know where your getting your information from <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Cancer is caused by a damn lot of things, one of them being oxygen free radicals iirc, and what do raw foods and water have to do with delivering oxygen? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, thanks for clarifying about the causes of cancer. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Raw foods contain lots of water, and water contains lots of oxygen.
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Yes, extreme amounts of sugar can cause diabetes, but it easily occurs naturally, both type I and type II.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My mistake again. Is it hereditary, or could it possibly be caused by a poor diet? (Such as milk from a mother on a poor diet or the use of formula?) Or possibly something else?
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I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eh, sounds like your body is used to it, or the effects are so minor that you don't notice it. That doesn't mean that it's thriving with it, though... Think of it like this: Your body is a rowboat. Having a rowboat with no leaks means that you can focus all of your energy on rowing. If, however, your rowboat has a leak, you have to focus energy on rowing as well as dumping the water out. If you have to do that, you don't row as well because you're using energy to remove the water.
I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I quite regulary drink 4 litres of coke in the space of 24 hours, and yet I don't get shakes or jitters. If I don't drink coke for a day or so, I do get headaches, but I accounts this towards lack of fluids, as coke is my main source of water, and I can make the headaches go away with ordinary tap water. Anyone else like this or am I just immune to the effects of caffeine? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Heh, I know someone else who's genetic make-up should be coke..haha..
More oxygen > more oxidation and free radicals = more chance for cell damage/cancer. The reason fruit and veg are beneficial is because they're full of antioxidants which reduce free radicals.
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My mistake again. Is it hereditary, or could it possibly be caused by a poor diet? (Such as milk from a mother on a poor diet or the use of formula?) Or possibly something else? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Type I diabetes is otherwise known as Juvenile Diabetes. It occurs when the structures in the pancreas which produce insulin themselves stop working. There are several causes for this, but one of them is hereditary. Obviously due to the alternative name, is mainly affects children and young adults, and is also quite rare.
Type II diabetes is the more common of the 2, and is caused by the body's cells no longer recognising the insulin you produce, but the pancreas still produces insulin itself. This affects several groups, mainly the old, giving it its alternative name of Mature Onset Diabetes. This is the type which can be caused by having a high fat/sugar diet.
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Do you know anything about the distillation technique or sublimation? Do you have access to distillery or equivalent lab equipment? Do you have a lot of money and free time to spend? This isn't a dabber level project, it really requires some experience.
I do however have a good suggestion you could try: Do you know the history behind decaffeinated coffee? Like many inventions it was an accidental discovery...
<u>Coffee History Summary:</u>
Let us move back a few steps in time to the lands known as Ethiopia and Yemen, about 600 AD where locals boiled the complete fruit of the little understood coffee Arabica plant. Not far from there was the now dry port of Il Mucha, hence the name Mocha. Rumor has it a sheep herder, named Kaldi, noticed his goats were enthusiastically eating the fruit of the coffee plant. Why did they do it? It seems the caffeine buzz gave the goat that extra something for keeping his ewes happy. Coffee didn't really have that grand an entrance in the early days of mass consumerism. Needless to say, there were no Starbucks in early Middle Eastern history. People were making a drink out of the coffee berry husk, called Kishir, still drunk till this day in some Middle-eastern ethnic communities. Roasting the green beans, the way we do it today, may have begun as early as 1000 AD, how or why, we do not know. Perhaps by chance, or accident, a tradition was born. Arab traders and their countrymen were roasting and drinking coffee by the end of the 13th century. It was good as gold and in political circles would give them an enormous trading tool. Eventually, coffee cultivation spread west, deeper into Africa, despite dedicated attempts to control the movement of the plants. The Arabs made every effort to prevent other countries from getting fertile beans for cultivation. Coffee beans couldn't even be taken out of the country unless the seed was killed by boiling or drying the beans. Africa and Arabia had a monopoly on coffee until the 1600's. For the longest time, North Africa and the Middle East were the world's only source for coffee. It may have been ingenious traders that first smuggled some of the un-sterilized beans out of the region. It is unclear. At some point in time, some early entrepreneurs put their life on the line in the name of early international commerce. By the middle of the 16th Century, coffee was being enjoyed in Egypt, Syria, Persia and Turkey. Cafes flourished in cities like Baghdad, Istanbul and Cairo. Cafes of London would soon be referred to as the "penny universities". One's education, and access to this new social environment, could be had for the price of a cup of coffee! By 1608, coffee found its way to Vienna, Austria, home of Europe's first cafes. In 1690, the <u>Dutch</u>, <i>not</i> the Spanish, became the first to transport and cultivate coffee in the "New World." They spirited the beans or seedlings out of the Arab port of Mocha and transported them to Ceylon and the East Indies for cultivation. A French naval officer, Gabriel de Clieu, smuggled the precious seedlings to Martinique in 1715. By the 18th Century, Europe was hooked up to coffee in a way that would change their social fabric and consuming habits forever. The Cafe revolution, as we know it today in the Western World, was about to begin. With coffee consumption booming in the new world, better methods of coffee brewing techniques followed from Europe. In 1822, a Frenchman named Louis Bernard Rabaut invented a machine which, by using steam, forced the hot water through the coffee grounds instead of the typical 'drip' method – thus the birth of the first espresso machine. By 1901, Luigi Bezzera built the first coffee machine that contained a boiler. Boiling water and steam were forced through the filters, much like the modern design (portafilters), and espresso coffee was now being brewed in an entirely new way. Then in 1905 the Pavoni company began manufacturing machines based on the Bezzera style machine. They mass produced these machines and in 1927 the first espresso machine was installed in the United States at Regio's Cafe, in New York, where it is still in use today. In 1938 Cremonesi developed a piston pump that forced hot (but not boiling) water through the coffee. Earlier espresso machines had forced steam through the coffee, causing a burnt flavor. This new design was first used at Achille Gaggia's coffee bar. After World War II, Gaggia begins manufacturing a commercial piston machine. This espresso coffee had a layer of foam that we call "crema" today. In 1961, M. Faema created a pump-based machine where the water is forced through the finely ground coffee by an electric pump. This, and other similar machines, would bring cafe quality espresso into the average home. Espresso machines have had many design changes in order to produce a consistent product. Early designs were based on the operator deciding when to stop the machine but now we rely on digital timing.
Decaffeinated coffee was first invented in 1903, as I said before, by accident. You see back in 1903, many cargo ships were wooden sail ships and as anyone who knows a thing or two about these ships, they leak. A shipment of coffee from the Americas was bound for Europe, but the containers weren't sealed well and for some reason or another, the beans got soaked with salt water. The company was desperate to find a solution that would recoup some of the massive loss on this ruined shipment and upon investigation the coffee still tasted fine but had practically no caffeine! Tada! And what was it named? Sanka, from the French phrase, "Sans Caffeine."
When you read "97% Caffeine Free", 97% of that 1% or 2% has been removed. There are currently two methods used commercially that remove caffeine from coffee: European Process & Swiss Water Process.
<u>European Process</u>
Most decaf coffees are made using a chemical process first used in Europe. This process involves soaking the beans in water and then "washing" them in methylene chloride (better than ocean salts) to absorb the caffeine from the bean. After this, the beans are rinsed clean of the chemicals, dried and shipped to the coffee roasters. The advantage of this method is that it provides decaf coffee with more flavor than the Swiss water processing. Although there is virtually no trace of any chemicals left in the bean after roasting, some people are uncomfortable knowing that the coffee they are drinking was chemically processed.
<u>Swiss Water Process</u>
The second method is known as "Swiss water processing". This process uses no chemicals, but rather hot water and steam to remove the caffeine from the coffee. The "life" of the bean is taken into the water, and then the water solution put through activated charcoal filters to remove the caffeine. Once the caffeine is removed, these same beans are then put back into the decaffeinated solution to re-absorb everything except the caffeine. The beans are then dried and shipped to the roasters. The disadvantage is that the water processing removes more than just the caffeine. Some of the oils from the coffee bean are removed as well, making it less flavorful.
The best thing to do for those who really want this kind of decaf is to start out with a high quality, Arabica bean. Even though some of the flavor will be lost, there will still be a lot left to enjoy.
other neat facts:
<a href='http://www.gragson.com/coffee/coffeehistory.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.gragson.com/coffee/coffeehistory.htm</a>