Lerks And 3.1

coris

I see teeth :O
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RedDragonGecko

So lerks will have full 3d flight? Sounds good but what about 4d?
Yes I think lerks should gain 4th dimensional flight. Just grab celerity and flap away
until you reach 88 mph then generate 1.21 jigawatts and blamo! You leave fire trails
in the air as you travel a few minutes into the future. It would be great to see if the rines are going to try and get a ninja phase up outside your hive.

eheheheh5

spacetime doesn't jive with a system that uses gigantic phsysics hacks is it

[air doesn't exist, it's empty space surrounded by walls.]

Drummer

<!--QuoteBegin-RedDragonGecko+Apr 13 2005, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RedDragonGecko @ Apr 13 2005, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So lerks will have full 3d flight? Sounds good but what about 4d?
Yes I think lerks should gain 4th dimensional flight. Just grab celerity and flap away
until you reach 88 mph then generate 1.21 jigawatts and blamo! You leave fire trails
in the air as you travel a few minutes into the future. It would be great to see if the rines are going to try and get a ninja phase up outside your hive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
why go ahead? go back im time to the beginning of the match and rape the marines as they are running out of base

ThorStryker

I dunno how usefull backwards flight would be. The original versions (loose) flying would allow you to curve your flight, while looking down and shooting at something without loosing speed. This was very effective for ranged attacks for the lerk.
But the new model is based more torwards the biting lerk, which is extremely effective, but leave it lacking in the projectile role.

I personally would prefer the new flight style, with the umbra emitting around the lerk, instead of acting like a projectile. Its really hard to fly around in a marine start spraying umbra at key spots. Thats what the old umbra was good for. You could spot a marine group, fly above, spray umbra without looking down, and fly off, letting your team do the rest with the support you gave. But now you have to shoot it directly at someones feet if you wish to envelop them in umbra so units can close in.rambleramble

RaVe

Ahh the fabled backwards lerk flight?

Actually I was quite wondering why it wasn't in for so long....I have an email from Flayra that dates back to around the days of 3.0 beta something....I think it was 2 or 3.

All I knew is that he said it would be in the next version. I never knew next meant this far ahead <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

And I don't really think backward flight isn't gonna help lerks much at all. It's already a pain in the bum trying not to bump into other aliens running backwards <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Swiftspear

<!--QuoteBegin-ThorStryker+Apr 13 2005, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThorStryker @ Apr 13 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno how usefull backwards flight would be. The original versions (loose) flying would allow you to curve your flight, while looking down and shooting at something without loosing speed. This was very effective for ranged attacks for the lerk.
But the new model is based more torwards the biting lerk, which is extremely effective, but leave it lacking in the projectile role.

I personally would prefer the new flight style, with the umbra emitting around the lerk, instead of acting like a projectile. Its really hard to fly around in a marine start spraying umbra at key spots. Thats what the old umbra was good for. You could spot a marine group, fly above, spray umbra without looking down, and fly off, letting your team do the rest with the support you gave. But now you have to shoot it directly at someones feet if you wish to envelop them in umbra so units can close in.rambleramble <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bah, 80% of the skill with umbra is learning to use it with the forward flight system. Umbra is THE greatest depositioner of JPs camping in vents, much to tight quarters for a lerk to go into against an HMG JP. As it is however a good lerk will just peak up for a second, position his crosshair properly in an instant, and drop an nice ball of fart right in the JPs face. He really doesn't want to stick around after that.

ThorStryker

Vents isnt very helpfull when assaulting a base. When in base assaults, the cramped choke points force you to stay behind what ever class is assaulting. You then have to try hit them with the umbra where ever they move to, or else you wont be effective. If you fly in there, any turning of the head can be a fatal mistake with the lerks current flight pattern. Especially with celerity, which is needed if you don't want to be shotdown in mid air that easily.

Swiftspear

<!--QuoteBegin-ThorStryker+Apr 14 2005, 03:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThorStryker @ Apr 14 2005, 03:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Vents isnt very helpfull when assaulting a base. When in base assaults, the cramped choke points force you to stay behind what ever class is assaulting. You then have to try hit them with the umbra where ever they move to, or else you wont be effective. If you fly in there, any turning of the head can be a fatal mistake with the lerks current flight pattern. Especially with celerity, which is needed if you don't want to be shotdown in mid air that easily. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Onos are impossible to gaurd without blocking without a projectile umbra.

Nemesis_Zero

As I already said, I'd suggest you postpone in-detail balance discussions until at least someone has an idea of how this is going to work.

TheAdj

Looks like I should have annoyed puzl with lerk suggestions more often. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

ThorStryker

Not if you fly in before he charges and spray it it mid-air above rines. That way, when its spreads, the onos can come in contact without problems. It also gives a small buff to the lerk as he can stick around for a half-second longer since he is also shielded by umbra. Unless, you could make umbra detonate in mid air, like a pipebomb. So a lerk can spend his energy creating a path of three or so umbra clouds if and where he wishes. Unlike trying to predict where the enemy, and the onos will head to.

Brackhar

I hearby suggest that backwards-pancaking be refered to as "Strudel-ing"

No you may not have a cookie.

-Brackhar

Nemesis_Zero

<!--QuoteBegin-TheAdj+Apr 14 2005, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheAdj @ Apr 14 2005, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Looks like I should have annoyed puzl with lerk suggestions more often. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, the most likely thing you get out of bugging puzl about something is an entry on his 'ignore' list <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

NolSinkler

<!--QuoteBegin-Brackhar+Apr 14 2005, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brackhar @ Apr 14 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hearby suggest that backwards-pancaking be refered to as "Strudel-ing"

No you may not have a cookie.

-Brackhar <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How about...toasting?

Or waffling?

Maybe even French Toasting.

Strudeling works though.

flipping STRUDELING LERK!!


/edit: hmm, it appears that they now change the F-word to "flip" instead of ****

Swiftspear

<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Apr 14 2005, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 14 2005, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TheAdj+Apr 14 2005, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheAdj @ Apr 14 2005, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Looks like I should have annoyed puzl with lerk suggestions more often. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, the most likely thing you get out of bugging puzl about something is an entry on his 'ignore' list <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I propose we all stop bugging puzl and start bugging tankful! <img src='http://swiftspear.0x01a4.com/Img/Emotes/Evil-fix.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

the_x5

<!--QuoteBegin-Maveric+Apr 12 2005, 11:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Apr 12 2005, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> now make strafing bank the lerk left/right along with the view, and you have a winner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes yes!

aeroripper

I've always thought the lerk is pretty limited since he is basically just a vent spore alien. He's not that great for combat unless with wimpy lone marines and sorta weak.

I think making him more agile and able to move backwards or left\right strafe it would be a lot funner to fly it

2_of_Eight

<!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 14 2005, 09:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 14 2005, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've always thought the lerk is pretty limited since he is basically just a vent spore alien.  He's not that great for combat unless with wimpy lone marines and sorta weak.

I think making him more agile and able to move backwards or left\right strafe it would be a lot funner to fly it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, you haven't played against many lerks then <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:1pt;line-height:100%'>self-flattery ftw</span>
Lerks are similar to fades; the higher the skill level, the more dangerous they are - exponentially increasing... you've played against Adj, haven't you? Don't tell me you think of him, or other killer lerks, as "limited" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

@Topic: I love it... this will be a great addition.

aeroripper

<!--QuoteBegin-2 of Eight+Apr 14 2005, 09:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2 of Eight @ Apr 14 2005, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 14 2005, 09:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 14 2005, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've always thought the lerk is pretty limited since he is basically just a vent spore alien.  He's not that great for combat unless with wimpy lone marines and sorta weak.

I think making him more agile and able to move backwards or left\right strafe it would be a lot funner to fly it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, you haven't played against many lerks then <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:1pt;line-height:100%'>self-flattery ftw</span>
Lerks are similar to fades; the higher the skill level, the more dangerous they are - exponentially increasing... you've played against Adj, haven't you? Don't tell me you think of him, or other killer lerks, as "limited" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

@Topic: I love it... this will be a great addition. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ah 2 of 8 from linuxmonster :-)

I just suck at lerk and i want everybody else to suffer <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

DarkFrost

<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 15 2005, 02:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 15 2005, 02:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I propose we all stop bugging puzl and start bugging tankful! <img src='http://swiftspear.0x01a4.com/Img/Emotes/Evil-fix.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've been doing this for um... 3 years now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Brackhar

<!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Apr 15 2005, 01:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Apr 15 2005, 01:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Brackhar+Apr 14 2005, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brackhar @ Apr 14 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hearby suggest that backwards-pancaking be refered to as "Strudel-ing"

No you may not have a cookie.

-Brackhar <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How about...toasting?

Or waffling?

Maybe even French Toasting.

Strudeling works though.

flipping STRUDELING LERK!!


/edit: hmm, it appears that they now change the F-word to "flip" instead of **** <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oooo... French Toasting... that might be appropriate considering it's a rapid retreat. But it's too long to say, unfortunatly. :/

-Brackhar

Drummer

<!--QuoteBegin-Brackhar+Apr 15 2005, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brackhar @ Apr 15 2005, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Apr 15 2005, 01:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Apr 15 2005, 01:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Brackhar+Apr 14 2005, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brackhar @ Apr 14 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hearby suggest that backwards-pancaking be refered to as "Strudel-ing"

No you may not have a cookie.

-Brackhar <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How about...toasting?

Or waffling?

Maybe even French Toasting.

Strudeling works though.

flipping STRUDELING LERK!!


/edit: hmm, it appears that they now change the F-word to "flip" instead of **** <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oooo... French Toasting... that might be appropriate considering it's a rapid retreat. But it's too long to say, unfortunatly. :/

-Brackhar <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok, we DEFINATLY need to make it French Toasting or French something, cause you should never pass up the opportunity to make fun of the French. or, make it just "Frenching", that sounds good <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Steel_Troll

I cant wait for backward flight. As someone said, ad strafe = banking and you have a win! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

By the way, what is/was pancaking?

Drummer

<!--QuoteBegin-Steel Troll+Apr 15 2005, 06:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Steel Troll @ Apr 15 2005, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, what is/was pancaking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
this was a term from beta4 where lerk flight was free. resulting in a lerk in a hallway quickly bouncing from floor to ceiling while sporing. this may have been before there was a limit on vertical speed, so the lerk was moving really fast and really hard to hit

Blue_Mary

Pancaking, commonly called a "Pancaek L0rk", was really unbalanced for the Lerk. Even when they reintroduced energy into flapping, it was still done commonly in 3.0b5. In 3.0f, they fixed it a bit, where going up has a noticable speed cap, while swoops down still feel fast enough.

Ooo, now that we're accessorizing the Lerk with backwards flight too.... let's add a rear-view mirror. Mabye one of those beeping noises when it goes backwards too, like a truck.

Also, on the subject of backwards pancaking, I say it be called <i>flapjacking</i>!

monopolowa

<!--QuoteBegin-Blue Mary+Apr 18 2005, 01:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Blue Mary @ Apr 18 2005, 01:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ooo, now that we're accessorizing the Lerk with backwards flight too.... let's add a rear-view mirror. Mabye one of those beeping noises when it goes backwards too, like a truck. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
those things are better suited for gorge/onos

the flying unit should be turned into a little lerky helicopter with spores, spikes, and hellfire missiles. Naturally it would come with radar jamming equipment to negate MT and voice/text communication for the marines, and it would be able to airlift injured ground units to the hive hospital or an emergency gorge healing station near the front lines

Also, lerks should be able to write messages in the sky with their umbra trails, to relay vital tactical info or wish somebody a happy birthday

Cxwf

<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Apr 14 2005, 01:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 14 2005, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As I already said, I'd suggest you postpone in-detail balance discussions until at least someone has an idea of how this is going to work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No worries there, Nem. So far the discussions are more revolving around I&S type changes rather than the changes they found in the Mantis. Oh, and Spam. Lots of spam.

evidence

I want them to be able to make the view not stop and + or - 90 degrees assuming looking straight ahead is 0. Then the lurk could do loop de loops <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

That would be hax your chasing a lurk then all of a sudden he swings up and loops behind u and gets u in the back.

Emanon

<!--QuoteBegin-Maveric+Apr 12 2005, 11:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Apr 12 2005, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> now make strafing bank the lerk left/right along with the view, and you have a winner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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