Ns_achio

Kouji_San · April 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">revised</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:red"><b>Progress indicator:</b> beta5 has been released</span></span>
<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:gray">This post will keep updating during progress...</span></span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><b>Current version: version2 beta5 (v2b5)
ns1.04 version: 104a</b>

This map is a revised version of the old one, which can be found here: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=599018101488520960&showtopic=58601&hl=achio%5b/url" target="_blank"><b>Old Achio Thread</b></a>

<span style="color:purple"><b>Most important map features:</b></span><ul><li><span style="color:#FFCC33"><b>Unique gameplay additions:</b></span><ul><li>Hives based bacterium lockdown resnodes</li><li>Weldable resnode</li><li>Alien only trough wall teleporter, similar to the movement chamber</li><li>Two button security door</li></ul></li><li>The map is moddeled to resemble a realistic ship layout as close as possible</li><li>Huge external views of the ships external hull</li><li>Story based custom sky texture, the frigate TSA Cerberus is seen on the skybox</li><li>The readyroom is actually inside the frigate TSA <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=7679445890822274048&showtopic=100289" target="_blank"><b>Cerberus</b></a>, which is a followup combat map</li><li>A dropship in the readyroom, which is also present in the marinestart. Linking them together</li></ul><span style="color:purple"><b>Media:</b></span>
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<span style="color:purple"><b>Released versions:</b></span><ul><li><b>Tribute release ns_achio_104a release date, Sept-06-2007:</b>
Features:
- This map is the same as v2b5, yet it has been made compatible with <a href="http://www.brywright.co.uk/downloads/files/index.php?dir=natural-selection/install/old_versions/&file=ns_v1.04-steam-Bryns.exe" target="_blank"><b>Bry's ns 1.04</b></a>
- All the unique features mentioned above still work in ns1.04

Ugly ns1.04 minimap included <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> (too bad the new 3.x minimaps don't work though)

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</li><li><b>ns_achio_v2b5 release date, Jul-26-2007:</b>
Most important additions/fixes:
- The map is now compatible with NS 3.2 (transparant minimaps included)
- The aft alien trough wall teleporter is now only useable when the aft engine hive is alive (thanks puzl for fixing the hive targetondeath)
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</li><li><b>ns_achio_v2b4 release date, Dec-26-2006:</b>
<span style="color:red"><b>Post release issue found:</b></span>
There are three typos in the .res file, the lines:

sprites/minimaps/ns_achio_v2b3.spr
sprites/minimaps/ns_achio_v2b3_labelled.spr
maps/ns_achio_v2b3.txt

should be v2b4, also keep in mind that this map is not yet fully compatible with 3.2. Actually the map itself is, but the minimap file names aren't updated yet. I'm going to release v2b5 soon to fix this issue along with some other things...

Furthermore the line "sprites/ns_achio/flare2.spr" should be removed from the .res file as it was a sprite introduced in v2b3, but that sprite never got into the final version of beta3.

Mostly gameplay tweaks
- <span style="color:#FFCC33"><b>New gameplay addition:</b></span> Finally the addition of a true weldable resnode
- Fixed the sinking building bug with a func_nobuild in the infested hallway at Port Generator
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</li><li><b>ns_achio_v2b3 release date, Dec-21-2006:</b>
Most important additions/fixes:
- <span style="color:#FFCC33"><b>New gameplay addition:</b></span> Hives Based Bacterium Lockdown Resnodes, information included in readme
- <span style="color:#FFCC33"><b>New gameplay addition:</b></span> Alien only trough wall teleporter at aft engine, information included in readme
- 5 new weldables (total of 6)
- Port ION-Cannon has an initially marine only resnode due to weldable
- Fixed siege issue at Port Material Displacement Core
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</li><li><b>ns_achio_v2b2 release date, Nov-02-2006:</b>
Huge optimisation/bugfix/addition update
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</li><li><b>ns_achio_v2b1 release date, Oct-06-2006:</b>
First public release
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><b>Game type:</b> Classic
<b>Layout</b>: Semi "horizontal" symmetrical: Hallways and some rooms would be slightly different due to being on different levels, it'll try to simulate a true battleship layout
<b>Map class:</b> Serious
<b>Size:</b> Large
<b>Env_gamma:</b> 1.6
<b>Resnodecount:</b> 12
- 3x Hive based resnode, bacterium lockdown
- 1x Initially marine only, due to weldable
- 2x For Doubleres
- 6x Troughout map
<b>Mission briefing:</b> <a href="http://217.122.91.242:90/home.asp?page=pages/games.asp&topstyle=topgame&gamepage=pages/games/maps/ns_achio-story.asp&gamesection=ns_achio&mapsection=story" target="_blank"><b>Link1</b> </a>, <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=599018101488520960&showtopic=60733&b=1&st=&p=&#entry" target="_blank"><b>Link2</b></a>

<span style="color:purple"><b> Map areas:</b></span><ul><ul><li><span style="color:blue"><b>Marine start:</b></span><ul><li>Loading bay</li></ul></li></ul><ul><li> <span style="color:red"><b>Hives:</b></span><ul><li>Starboard generator</li><li>Port generator</li><li>Aft engine</li></ul></li></ul><ul><li>Starboard engine</li><li>Port ION cannon</li><li>H-junction</li><li>Lockerroom</li><li>Bridge</li><li>Mess Hall</li><li>Water Cleansing</li><li>Computer core, double res with a 2 button security door</li><li>Port material displacement core</li><li>Molecular gravity modifier, with "golden" pipes going to the inaccessible port engine</li><li>Cargo Transfer S1-B</li><li>Cargo Transfer S1-A</li></ul></li></ul></div>

<span style="color:purple"><b>A science fiction about the ship it's propulsion system:</b></span>
The ship uses a new kind of propulsion system called gravity displacement. In simple terms the system uses the ships own mass cores to gain momentum. The mass cores consist of very heavy iron balls the size of a truck rotating near the speed of light suspended inside a magnetic field, The result of the mass stress on the ball it's molecules will turn these balls effectively into a micro white hole, the opposite of a black hole. So instead of pulling things with it's gravity it expels gravity. This is controlled by the current of the magnetic field, so get the current wrong and you have a problem on your hands

The energy gained by this mass/gravity extraction is called black mass, which consists of gravity fields. The gravity fields will be broken up into molecules using a nanite particle accelerator. The mass core and nanite particle accelerator are located in front of the engine compartments.

The nanite particle accelerator bombards the molecules with nanites to reprograms the molecules their magnetic properties to be positive. After they have run trough the process they are then pushed into the engine under superheated pressure trough the 'gold colored pipes', since the pipes are ionized they won't get warm at all, this is for crew safety.

In the front part of each engine module there are positive magnets, they push the now positive molecules towards the nozzles and this momentum under very high pressure will push the ship forward. The exhaust will look like a greenish glowing light beam.

A small joke about this can be made. The scientists who designed this system could not answer the simple question "why are these beams green?"

So in short, it's kind of a mag-lev train with the tracks built-in

<span style="color:purple"><b>Note:</b></span>
This is Achio revised, I started this map ages ago to fix many of the things wrong with the original Achio. Things which changed/were fixed compared to the old achio:<ul><li>Lack of cover/large open spaces trougout the map and hallways</li><li>Overstressing the engine resources used (lag on slower pcï¿½s and overall netlag)</li><li>The style and texturing used</li><li>Added more detail troughout the map</li></ul>The layout is roughly the same, but the size of the map is smaller. Also everything has been tweaked to resemble an actual space ship, with levels (or decks). The hallways bend around architecture which would be located on the different levels, but extend into the lower or higher levels.

I gave the lighting a complete revision. With the use of more contrasting and more colorful lights. This was to counter the washed out look the old Achio had.
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Spacer · April 2005

Perhaps you should whip up an infested light texture? Having bright orange stripes in the middle of infestation looks kinda weird. Still looking awesome though <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />.

Naigel · April 2005

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

Swiftspear · April 2005

Looks absolutly incredible. The bright orange stripes seem a little out of place for the feel of the old achio (large decrepid and industrial) but I am intersted to see how they work in this one. You really need an infested light texture for the hive though. Even if it means just some real scratched up plating and what not. They look way to clean in the hive location like that.

[edit] keep in mind, you need a certian ammount of flatness to drop structures as a marine... you should always have some flat ground in a hive location, even if it isn't ground level/requires creative placement.

Lt_Gravity · April 2005

not bad. but thee green crystals seems to barely emit any light. looks pretty weird. what about the other locations?

Kouji_San · April 2005

Thinking of turning the green crystals into the same yellowish types also seen on the floor. The yellowish crystal look nicer IMO

I'm going to try and fix the lights in the infestation with an overlay texture, the solid infestion textures should have a nice effect I think. Got to fix them first though since there is a lot of blue which doesn't turn invisible (I think I might have the fixed version in the old achio wad *goes of to check* )

Old screenshots are in the post you screenshots thread, but since they are externally linked here's a <a href='http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/ns_achio2/' target='_blank'>link</a>

Steel_Troll · April 2005

O<>M<>G <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

Oh and leave the green, looks nice imo

Lt.Realness · April 2005

holy mother of a...this awesome! I really like the lightning effects around the hive! this is something we never had before like that =)

nogoodnickname · April 2005

woah

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2005

I like the green crystals, they just need to difuse more light around instead of just the imediate area around the light source.

moultano · April 2005

looks phat. I'd take out the orange lights behind the pipes though, the ones that go horizontally. Used in 1 too many places IMO. I'm worried that you are going to run out of clipnodes halfway through the map with those curved pipes, but they do look damn sexy.

BulletHead · April 2005

Oh Em Gee must be the hax

Kouji_San · April 2005

I left the green crystals in the map and increased the area of light arround them. Also put a texture overlay on the engine lights located underneath on the bacterium.

@moultano:
The lights are already gone in the latest compile, I also thought it was all to much of that orange. And I have put them pipes under the restriction of the clip texture police <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

@BulletHead:
saywah o.O

Working on it some more since I'm not satisfied with the lighting of the current compiled version. Also I made a small booboo, read on -->

I haven't kept mr. onos in mind when designing the entrances, they are to small. Also the ION cannon array has a very restricting movement for mr. onos. So the 'finished' areas are going to get a small overhaul.

Invader_Scoot · April 2005

That's looking <b>alsome</b>. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

N_Recoup · April 2005

Kouji, once again you have proved that you are my favorite map editor. (Belgarion comes in close second).

Fantastic work! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Kouji_San · April 2005

final version of the aft engine hive:

Closer look at a crystal, scientists are still trying to find out why they are able to emit so much light without using any visible or detectable energy. They seem to appear in otherwise very dark hives with the orange types on the ground or ceiling and the green ones usually on walls. both of them are the same crystal types but when you tilt them over 90 degrees they change color.

yeh I'm watching to much discovery, but hey at least I'm not going like 'OOOH LOOK AT THAT NAUGHTY LITTLE CRITTER' everytime I see a skulk <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

<img src='http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/ns_achio2/engine_a4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/ns_achio2/engine_a3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

BulletHead · April 2005

how do you make 90 degree bends like that in your pipes?

I've NEVER figured that out... 0o

Swiftspear · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 11 2005, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> how do you make 90 degree bends like that in your pipes?

I've NEVER figured that out... 0o  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
you make a 20 degree bend, and then do that a whole bunch of times.

carioca · April 2005

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> where is the degree tool in hamer?

Lt_Gravity · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 12 2005, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 11 2005, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> how do you make 90 degree bends like that in your pipes?

I've NEVER figured that out... 0o </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
you make a 20 degree bend, and then do that a whole bunch of times. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
ehm... 30°? 15° steps can be used without getting into trouble.

and he really faked it. its just one half of the pipe which makes things much easier. looks nice anyway.

edit: and from my point of view this is the coolest hive ever. it even rocks my source hive <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Kouji_San · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (carioca @ Apr 12 2005, 09:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> where is the degree tool in hamer?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
It's called transform in the tools menu (shortcut ctrl+m)

Since I want this kind of detail troughout the map I can't afford to put fully round pipes there. Besides I don't think they would look much better, maybe even worse since lighting does weird things on pipe-like brushes.

Note on these pipes:
I used 45° and then a triangle (3 points) pipe to cover the gap

Working on the computer core. Well I have an idea for it's looks and architecture, now to see if 'the hammer' doesn't have anything against me today <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

teh_fatts · April 2005

Both your color-changey light crystals and the discovery channel definitely rock. Aesthetically, though, one tiny thing bothers me with them... you are (perhaps unintentionally) seperating "floor" and "wall" in a space (heavy alien infestation) which is, in my mind, meant to be viewed as more "big gooey slopes o' random." Also, the "giant overused texture o' death" on the back wall in engine_a4.jpg bugs me a bit, it sticks out all the worse because the rest of your texturing is so good. I love your lighting, accent, and infestation techniques. Any chance of finishing this in time to get it into 3.1?

coris · April 2005

That's the sexiest hiveroom I'm yet to see.

Kouji_San · April 2005

@ teh fatts:

So you don't like the gray texture used in the back, that makes two votes against it. Also once in the post you screenshots thread. I'll have a look at some other texture to be used there, still have some unused w-poly on that side of the hive to make use of so that might help to <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Could you explain what you mean with the 'seperating floor and wall' part? Not quite sure what to make of it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Maybe a small explaination (related to this perhaps) on the infestation, as I see it.

The infestation is in my mind a fleshy/gooey entity, which graduately infests a room and starts with the closest warm part of the room it enters. As you can see the engines on the port side of the room are completely infested and the bacterium is working it's way towards the starboard side of the room. Also keep in mind that this is a secondary infestation part of the map, so it's not as infested as the starboard generator will be where the infested meteorite actually hit/entered the ship.
From what I've seen in some textures the bacterium also has a harder time trying to infest light sources or computer screens, that's why I made some of the lights still visible from the engines.

moultano · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kouji San @ Apr 11 2005, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><img src='http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/ns_achio2/engine_a4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Suggestion:

It looks from this shot that you started this room as a large cube and built things within it. That's a fine way of going about it, but the back wall in this shot doesn't look at all realistic despite the fact that you see very little of it. Its very clear that the infestation and the engines both end on the same flat surface. I suggest making the infestation appear to curve around some other large structure, moving the flat wall back a ways, and adding another section to the engines where they expand to fill almost the entire space. So to clarify, here's some ascii art.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>

Now:
_______________
| | --,,,
\ / ''--,,
| |

My suggestion

________
| | .|
\ / .|
| | .|______
\ / '-,__
| | '-.
| | '.

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Kouji_San · April 2005

gotta love the alt+255 asci code <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Thanks for that suggestion, it's kind of a bulkhead moving inwards in between the engines? Would indeed make the wall seem less flat, argh now I have to change it to in the starboard engine, oh well all for a good cause I should say <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

moultano · April 2005

Actually, I didn't notice that the same engines were on the other side hidden in the infestation. In that case, what about just adding another section onto each that causes them to meet .

so like right now you have from the frontal view

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_____________________
| ____ ____ |
| / _ \ / _ \ |
| | |_| | | |_| | |
| \_____/ \_____/ |
| |
| ____ ____ |
| / _ \ / _ \ |
| | |_| | | |_| | |
| \_____/ \_____/ |
|_____________________|
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And you could change it to something like

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>
______________________
| ____ | ____ |
| / _ \ | / _ \ |
| | |_| | | | |_| | |
| \_____/ | \_____/ |
|_________/\___________|
| ____ \/ ____ |
| / _ \ | / _ \ |
| | |_| | | | |_| | |
| \_____/ | \_____/ |
|__________|___________|
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where those sections in the back are sloped and larger and meet in a groin vault kinda.

From a top view

from
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| | | |
\ / \ /
| | | |
| | | |
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to
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>
| | |
\ /\ /
\ / \ /
| | | |
\ / \ /
| | | |
| | | |
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Kouji_San · April 2005

Well there are even more engines then the four on the walls, this is the main/aft engine after all, there are a total of 6 engines and are setup like this (the red parts are inside the walls). But I'll have a look on how to change the flatness of that backwall

BulletHead · April 2005

so... why is the engine exhaust nozzel INSIDE the ship? *blink*

BulletHead · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt Gravity @ Apr 12 2005, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 12 2005, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 11 2005, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> how do you make 90 degree bends like that in your pipes?

I've NEVER figured that out... 0o </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
you make a 20 degree bend, and then do that a whole bunch of times. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
ehm... 30°? 15° steps can be used without getting into trouble.

and he really faked it. its just one half of the pipe which makes things much easier. looks nice anyway.

edit: and from my point of view this is the coolest hive ever. it even rocks my source hive <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Liar... it makes any 8 sided piipe become an invalid structure <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

At least, turning it 15 or 30 degrees on the z axis does <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

EDIT_

Oh,. Kouji, I meant the GOLD pipes

<img src='http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/ns_achio2/engine_a1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

N_Recoup · April 2005

Another reason that shows why Kouji is the man with the plan! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Ns_achio

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