Where Are Mineshaft And Agora?
Lofung
Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
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What ever happened to that map where you could flood the ready room? Was that Agora? Or was it scrapped early as well? That was my <b>favorite</b> map!
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Probably your best bet for getting them again would be to download them from a server that is running them, or to grab them from an older version of NS if you still have the installers lying around on your computer.
One guy made Faceoff, Pulse <i>and</i> Tanith? Those are some of my favorite maps.
The one with the huge elevator in marine start was a great map for last stands. It's basically the only thing that I can remember of my first days of NS.
I never really liked mineshaft or agora. They were very pretty and atmospheric, but they didn't suit the gameplay style very well, in my opinion.
What I really miss is mineshaft and agora. Agora was just a wonderful map and mineshaft reminded me always of alien, because of the cafeteria <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
R.I.P. I'll miss you <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The atmosphere of infestation is fading away from NS, and all the mappers are refusing to try to turn it around. (Insert random "co_ is **** line here)
Mineshaft looked nice in spots, but played like crap. Way too many problems, and if I'm not mistaken, they couldn't be fixed for one reason or another. It's better that it's gone.
They were removed from "under' you because of serious problems, not just on a whim. So don't be too upset.
Hera nd caged were changed drastically, why can't agora and mineshaft? next they will be taking out tanith and veil. gg.
some maps can't be changed. when a map is compiled, you can distribute that file, but if the source file is lost, you can't edit it. remember the big nancy rebuild? that was the issue with that, which is why they had to build it from scratch based off the reference of the compiled file.
I believe mineshaft suffers from this in some way. either the author has vanished or the source was lost, or perhaps he just refuses to modify it (moved on to other projects, etc?). someone else probably has more insight on it.
and yes, veil and caged would be candidates for removal if they suffered from crippling problems that couldn't be fixed. it only makes sense. you don't release a broken product to the public (atleast, cool developers try to avoid this).
if they had, I think a lot of people would be whining about how it's broken than about how it's gone.
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I hope this is not serious?
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what "seems" to you is not always the case. they definitely didn't remove mineshaft or agora for no reason. the reason is explained in the FAQ, was not on a whim.
too time consuming, no one to do it, couldn't be done without a major undertaking on map modifcation, author doesn't approve, etc.
and in my experience, mineshaft was largely hated anyway. very few servers played it. maps come and go, don't worry about it.
I had some great games on Agora. I felt there was too much in the middle of the map and a lot of redudancy, but the areas around the perimeter were excellent.
Visually amazing. I wish I was that talented.
This just opens more room for people to create more maps for NS. Personally, there are ENOUGH co_ and mvm maps and we should see MORE ns_ maps set in the NS universe, that means less seige and fall maps.
-coughshivacough-
Decompiling a map breaks it in so many ways.
Both maps were nice eye candy maps, but suffered from problems, one annoying thing I remember from mineshaft was in marine start, if u walked behind the rt against the wall, you got stuck there, you had to jump back out of the area, even though it was flat ground =/
You don't do yourself justice moultano - Shiva is a gorgeous map.
didnt know mineshaft was out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
poor map, they were boht good even though i played each twice. i really didnt want to memorize them because is stupid.
Mineshaft has been a offical map since ns2.0 (problaly) as i started to play. now they say it has numerous exploits and removed it? omg its been 1 whole year at lease!
Edit: So weird i must say
i think that map should be left alone in the offical pack, leaving the community to choose. Like my regular server, altair eon and nancy never stand a place
With logic like that, who could possibly argue?
BTW, there's already a link in this thread to a FAQ that explains the removals.
werent there some other XP- guys on that server? if so where did they go, I know the sg- clan used to play there too, but the only one of them that I have seen around is krazyk
TBH, I can't see how agora's res node displacement was a problem. A couple RT's in the middle just needed to be more spread out. The vent system on that map I had just finally started figuring out too. (I love elaborate vent systems!)
unless... we all harass mrben to take care of mineshaft and agora!!! yes i think thats the solution.
TBH, I can't see how agora's res node displacement was a problem. A couple RT's in the middle just needed to be more spread out. The vent system on that map I had just finally started figuring out too. (I love elaborate vent systems!) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
agoras vent system was elaborate? haha. nonexistant, more like. ok there were a few vents.
unless... we all harass mrben to take care of mineshaft and agora!!! yes i think thats the solution. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The NS team doen't even HAVE an RMF for mineshaft IIRC... The same reason why nancy was removed several builds ago. Feel free to start a recompile remake of mineshaft (definaty at least confirm with the original author that he doesn't mind) but we are talking about a fair bit more work to make it look right then the nancy one was. Mineshaft is an increadibly elaborate and eyecandy heavy map.
Agora I belive still has someone working on it, but it is absolutly riddled with problems, and would have been an insane ammount of work to fix for the next beta. I belive SOMEONE said somewhere that we might be seeing a rebuilt version of agora for 3.1, but unless that is confirmed, don't feel confident taking my word for it.
What I don't understand is that the NS-team doesn't have the RMF-files for the 'official' maps they release. They should take into concideration that the creator leaves, gets very sick or even dies. Even if the NS-team didn't make all of the official maps, there should be a clear agreement between the two parties (NS and the CREATOR).
The Creator of the map is nothing without NS.
I liked <u><b>mineshaft</b></u>, it was a good map (with his flaws, but which map doesn't?). All the time I have played mineshaft I wasn't aware of the exploits. I don't know if the NS-team has the RMF-files, but they should have it, so that they can <u><b>fix</b></u> those exploits themselves (if for instance the creator isn't reachable or doen't want to cooperate anymore.).
<span style='color:red'><b>If</b></span> someone knows about the exploits on mineshaft, he can allways PM me so that I know what exploits they are. I just would like to know them (and keep them for myself without abusing them, as I am against those abuses).
I also liked <u><b>agora</b></u>, but I have less difficulties that it isn't included into the official NS map-package. This because I think the layout of the map is to complicated to change to make it balanced. But agora was unique and a real architectural masterpiece.
Overall I think it is a real pity to see mineshaft gone from the official maps. And I hope, in fact, to see it back someday. In my personal opinion I don't think ns_altair is a good map in terms of gameplay. I would choose for ns_mineshaft if I had the choice.
Hope someone can comment (and PM me) on this.
Greetz,
XtOf