3.0 Has To Change !

MancunienMancunien Join Date: 2005-01-06 Member: 32941Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">imho</div> Hello,

I think this is not the first time we can talk about that but ...
IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN AS MARINES !

When 3.0 get released, I was so pleased to see that new version out, but, after games and games, incuding FFA and pcw (scrim), I think that NS is going bad with 3.0

Of course, some of you are going to say "marines need different strategies" "need to lock hive m8", but, you must admit there's a real problem with 3.0
In FFA, more than 75% of games are alien win, in pcw, we see almost the same score : 2-2, all alien wins (even when the team have a really different skill).
For example, look at the nation cup, almost all alien win !

Making free upgrade to alien unbalance to much tthe game, I prefered the old system with up =2, because now, the game is too unfair.

So, upgrade = 1 ? Or change something else ?? Of course, but do it fast please, because, this 3.0 is killing NS.
3.0 is killing many clan (many very good players have stopped NS because the game was too unbalanced), and is also killing NS I've no nope for the future of NS if 3.1 does not change many things.
I think that 3.0.2 is a good thing, but it doesn't balance enought the game.

PLEASE, DEV TEAM, DO SOMETHING, 3.0 IS KILLING NS !!!

Comments

  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    The irony of the fact two threads <b>next</b> to each other in Gen.Disc say "OMG ALIENS ALWAYS WIN" and "OMG MARINES ALWAYS WIN".

    I'm lost, really.

    - Shockwave
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Shock Hasn`t it always been like that? At the morning of new patch there is few month these kidns of threads right next to each other.....

    Quoting to nem: adapt or die.... use your time to adapt not whine
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Shockwave+Apr 6 2005, 05:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Apr 6 2005, 05:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The irony of the fact two threads <b>next</b> to each other in Gen.Disc say "OMG ALIENS ALWAYS WIN" and "OMG MARINES ALWAYS WIN".

    I'm lost, really.

    - Shockwave <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The concerns about aliens being too powerful are founded, from what we can see from lots of clan matches played since 3.0 FINAL. And I wouldn't really take the retarded "omg marines always win in 13v13 games!" thread into account.

    The "lol !? <i>adapt</i>, nub." sentence is becoming a classic here.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    At this point in time, perfect balance between aliens and marines is the big cookie in NS. We are convinced it is reasonable possible, but it isn't going to be a simple process, and we aren't looking to make backwards progress in the meanwhile.

    Free upgrades add a depth to the alien game that hasn't existed since 2.0, they are no longer locked into a hard DMS chamber build. I have seen EVERY chamber order done and work, although it is true that some are still worse then others (MSD is tragic). We aren't going to add upgrade costs back in JUST to push the game back into the poor gameplay but better balanced state of B5, it just isn't the right move here.

    3.02 was an attempt to bring some balance back to the game as early as possible, but the real, big issues will be getting addressed at the release of 3.1. NS won't DIE in the mean time, there is always going to be alot of dedicated NSers, and it isn't like past versions haven't expericanced more inbalances then the current one does, even of a few of them were definately more balanced.

    Rest assured, balance is a big issue here, and it WILL be adressed in the future.
  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    Even 13v13 isn't balanced. I seriously think that aliens have the advantage no matter the numbers now (but the amount of advantage varies)
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Apr 6 2005, 11:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Apr 6 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The "lol !? <i>adapt</i>, nub." sentence is becoming a classic here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Don't worry, I wasn't trying to dismiss the post, I actually agree, and feel aliens get it a <b>little</b> too easy at the moment, especially the more coordinated the players. Hence why the clan scene is feeling the biggest impact.

    On the other, it's quite hard to repress a little chuckle as the people getting 'lol !?adapt, nub' thrown at them are often the same ones who were saying 'olo get some skillz' when they were happily tearing alien teams to bits single-handedly over & over in previous versions.

    Karma is a wonderful thing, I feel.

    - Shockwave
  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Swiftspear: MSD works. Its one of the more popular orders in clan matches.
  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Apr 6 2005, 11:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Apr 6 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The "lol !? <i>adapt</i>, nub." sentence is becoming a classic here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Only if your name is Talesin and you're a forum moderator.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Quite. And just like in all the other threads...

    Adapt.


    <span style='color:red'>*LOCKED.*</span>
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