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CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
edited March 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Yet Another Upgrade Thread</div> I have a job. As such (shh, no mistakes here <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> ), I intend on upgrading my computer, at least I'm looking for a new motherboard/case (I have a micro ATX atm, too small for most motherboards) and a Gigabyte GeForce 6600 ($140.00 pci express)

Normally, I'm an ATI guy, but that is, until I made the move to Linux (I hear Talesin coming to correct me now) and I want to use a Nvidia card, because they support Linux better. I currently have a Radeon 9000 Pro, I have it working nicely with the 8.10.19 drivers, but if I'm upgrading, I'd like to try the nvidia.

Thing is, I don't want a 64 bit CPU. I've heard bad things with Athlon 64's and certain games. If at all posible, I want a motherboard that supports Athlon XP 3200+/3400+ with pci express so I can use that card.

I want to keep the upgrade under $400, so $260 for the motherboard/cpu Don't worry about the case, if I need to go a litle over the $400 for a case, I'll do it.

I'm going to use my existing RAM, HD, DVD and CD-RW

I currently have an Athlon XP 2000+ and the Radeon 9000 mentioned above.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Mar 29 2005, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Mar 29 2005, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a job. As suck, I intend on upgrading my computer... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hehe.
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited March 2005
    ATi's Linux drivers have received a major rework lately. And honestly, it's twice the pain in the neck to get the nVidia Linux modules to even work, if you have a custom kernel.

    Good luck finding a non-Ath64 and non P4 mobo that does PCIe. I'm pretty sure they don't exist.
    And what 'bad things'? My Ath64 runs quite strong, pushing out a solid 85fps in HL2 (with a R9800 AIW at 1600x1200x32, vsync on). Perhaps you should list the rumors, so they can be washed away with truth.
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Mar 29 2005, 10:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 29 2005, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Mar 29 2005, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Mar 29 2005, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a job. As suck, I intend on upgrading my computer... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hehe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good catch.
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  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    Almost any AthlonXP that you buy will be underpowered compared to an Athlon64. I've got one and it runs fine with everything I've ever used it with. Like Talesin said, you can't have both an Athlon64 and PCIe. Plus, you're using Linux, so you can get 64-bit Linux, which will be faster in some applications.
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    It was probably just people blaming stuff on the 64bit CPU, but I can see why there would be concerns with runing 32bit apps.

    As I also said, I am using the new ATI drivers, and am happy with them, but from everything I've heard nvidia supports linux better, and has for a while.

    I may as well go with the athlon64 and another ATI, if I can find somthing comparable for a similar price. What would you recomend Talesin? You appear to have experiance in the field.

    I could get an X700 Pro (256Mb) for $180 or a 9800 Pro (128Mb) for ~$160
    newegg and pricewatch both give me the same general prices.

    That'll put me in over my budget though...

    So I'd need a motherboard and a CPU too...
    As well as a case to put it in...

    If I went with the 9800, I wouldn't have to worry about PCIe...

    <a href='http://www.compu-terra.com/store/product1394.html' target='_blank'>Chaintech SK8T800 Socket 754 DDR MB With Athlon64 3200+</a> $220.98
    <a href='http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=7013&sid=QALV78HUVXXN8LTH8FSNQHB8R5MF854B' target='_blank'>RADEON 9800 PRO</a> $152.00

    Almost $380, and with shipping, it'd be over that. Then there's a case...
    <a href='http://xoxide.com/xwu.html' target='_blank'>Why not?</a>

    Bringing the grand total to about$430-$440 not too bad.

    I would like to hear your reasons again as to why ATI is better than nvidia. I've seen it in Windows, but I'm not sure about Linux.
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  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    Honestly, I'd go for the 939 and PCIe, without question, if you're planning to upgrade in the future. With AGP and 754, you'll have to buy a whole new motherboard, CPU, and GPU (and maybe RAM, too) the next time you upgrade, whereas with 939 and PCIe, you'll just have to buy the component that you want to upgrade.

    As for ATI vs nVidia, I would get a 9800 Pro over a 6600, if you aren't counting PCIe. I would get a 6600GT over the 9800 Pro, however. I've heard that ATI has been steadily improving their Linux support for some time now, so they should have Linux support at least as good as nVidia, in a few months. I wouldn't really care which brand you go with, I'd just get whatever has a better price in the port that you want.
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited March 2005
    Go with socket 939. Soon, AMD will come out with Dual-Core Ath64 chips. Essentially two CPUs on one die. Drop it in, and boom. Dual processor machine. And none of that hyperthreading bullcrap. It's ACTUALLY two CPUs. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I'd also recommend the X700 or X800XL and PCIe route. PCIe is superfluous at the moment, and will only really prove useful when we get to 512MB video cards... until then, AGP is perfectly fine. Hell, we still haven't exhausted the bandwidth of AGP8x yet. But you WANT to keep your options open... have the new standard available.

    The key is, allowing yourself to UPGRADE. Rather than being dead-ended with an old standard when the new stuff *is* available, just pop in a new card, chip, or whatnot. Think ahead. You don't want the money you put in to go in the goodwill box THAT fast.



    And ATi's Linux drivers have been superior to nVidia's for almost a year now. The only thing they lacked was a 64-bit build... which was released three months ago. At this point the only thing worse about the ATi Linux drivers is the long-standing rumors that they're worse, perpetuated by people who parrot, instead of actually testing for themselves.

    On most points, the ATi Linux drivers give a better performance baseline (compared to the windows drivers) than nVidia's (compared to the windows drivers). This means that ATi's Linux-side drivers perform almost as well as their Windows drivers, as opposed to nVidia.. which perform markedly worse than their Windows counterparts. It was excused in the past as 'bad porting' of the software in question (usually Q3), but at this point there's no excuse. nVidia has been shown to be slacking.
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  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    Anyone else ever wonder if Talesin is just making all this up?
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 30 2005, 02:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 30 2005, 02:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyone else ever wonder if Talesin is just making all this up? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know what he says about getting Nvidia's linux drivers on linux is true, it is a beast, and then if you DO get it working its sluggish as hell.
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  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Talesin FTW :D
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  • ShoeboxShoebox Join Date: 2004-11-15 Member: 32817Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Mar 30 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Mar 30 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Go with socket 939. Soon, AMD will come out with Dual-Core Ath64 chips. Essentially two CPUs on one die. Drop it in, and boom. Dual processor machine. And none of that hyperthreading bullcrap. It's ACTUALLY two CPUs. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG.. that is fricking tight! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • tuintjetuintje Join Date: 2005-02-06 Member: 40108Banned
    nothing wrong bit 64 bit processore here i have another comp and it always works fine <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    Btw, I think I read that Intel might actually get out its dual cores before AMD (by a month or less of difference though)
    I can't confirm that though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Just had horrbile Y.A.S.D. Hitted by sleeping ray and nymph stole simpy _all_
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    edited March 2005
    <a href='http://www.pcinfinity.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Product_Count=0&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PCInfinity&Product_Code=MKAMD939MSIK8TN2F3000' target='_blank'>MSI 6702E-020 (K8T NEO2-F) & CPU AMD ATHLON 64(939PIN) 3000+ w/fan</a> $235
    <a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=14-102-430&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Video+Cards' target='_blank'>SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon X700 PRO Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, PCI-Express, Model</a> $179
    +$35 for one of the cases offered with the motherboard.

    $450+shipping... Hmm...

    Then there's stuff like thermal paste, maybe extra fans that I could pick up from local places.

    I suppose I could go for that then?
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  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    If you get both from the same site, you'd save on shipping. Otherwise, it looks good.
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    Yea, you are rite.

    From newegg the total is $453.45 with shipping and handeling. Now I know what to save for <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    There about 46 hours of work...

    This job is part time, so I get maybe10 hours a week now, already have 7 in, so I'll have this in 3-4 weeks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> that is if the prices don't change <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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