Capital Punishment

TransmissionTransmission Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14456Members
While capital punishment has been abolished in the majority of the civilized world, 38 of the states in the US still practice it. Currently, there are over 3500 people on the death row in the United States awaiting execution, even though for many of them, it won't come for many years, if at all.

I live in Canada where the death penalty is not present, and I was discussing with my friend why it hadn't been done away with. I'll post my own ideas on the death penalty later, but I'm wondering if anyone has anything to say in support of capital punishment, and any reasons against doing away with it completely.

Discuss.

Comments

  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    Hasn't it recently been banned to exercise capital punishment on juveniles in America? I believe that the judges decided that it violated the Eighth Amendment (prohibiting cruel punishments, IIRC).

    You can't expect these things to vanish overnight, I guess.

    I don't think capital punishment has a great influence on the crimes it warrents, but I'm not particularly up to scratch in that area. A link to a viable study would be appreciated.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    edited March 2005
    Well, it's more expensive to execute someone than it is to imprison them for life. Half of the people sentenced to death in my native state, Illinois, were later released as innocent, so it seems that we aren't doing a good job of determining who is innocent and who is guilty. Does it even have a deterrent effect that's greater than the deterrent of life imprisonment? For that matter, can any prison sentence act as a deterrent for the most grevious crimes?

    If you look at this list of countries that support the death penalty, you'll see that the US shares that list with, from what I can see, 0 western democracies and 1.5 first world country (Japan and South Korea, although I don't know if South Korea is 1st world):
    <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_death_penalty_worldwide' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_death_penalty_worldwide</a>
    It seems that the civilized world has declared it immoral.

    Frankly, I think it should be banned. I don't see any reason to keep it. It harms society to use the death penalty instead of life imprisonment, both economically and diplomatically (other countries don't like our stance towards it at all and won't extradite terrorists or other criminals to a country where they would face the death penalty).

    I also don't see how it's more cruel and unusual to execute a child than it is an adult. It's cruel to kill someone regardless of their age.

    Here are some other wikipedia links of interest:
    <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punis...e_United_States</a>
    <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment</a>
  • CageyCagey Ex-Unknown Worlds Programmer Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8829Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Mar 15 2005, 05:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Mar 15 2005, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hasn't it recently been banned to exercise capital punishment on juveniles in America? I believe that the judges decided that it violated the Eighth Amendment (prohibiting cruel punishments, IIRC).

    You can't expect these things to vanish overnight, I guess.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The US Supreme Court ruled on March 1st that any crime committed while a minor (under 18) can't be sentenced to death (<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/01/scotus.death.penalty/index.html' target='_blank'>CNN story</a>) (<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/03/lazarus.death.penalty/index.html' target='_blank'>CNN editorial</a>). The previous minimum age had been set at 16 years old by a Supreme Court ruling in 1989.
  • LegatLegat Join Date: 2003-07-02 Member: 17868Members
    I general, I do not feel hesitations about death penalty if it is justificable. Let me clarify this. Some crimes deserve capital punishment. My native country(Germany) has deteriorated its legal sytem to a point where it is not effective in my eyes anymore.
    Pedophiles and child murderers are declared metal incapable and are sentenced to prison in mental institues. Then, after some years they are transferred to minimum security or released because they show "great progress" and rape or kill anotehr child. Such an incident happed just recently.
    Murderers get 15 years. (thats called life sentece here...) and so on.
    Like I said, in my eyes, there are crimes that deserve to be punished by the death penalty, so in general I would be inclined approve to fatal punishment....

    BUT...

    Legal systems are only as good as those who enforce it and those are people like you and me. Men fail, and it is not justificable to entrust someones life to the will of others, especially not to jury men consititng of common people that most likely are biased simply because of the nature of the crime the defendant is accused of. I also despise the fact that the descision about life and death is highly dependent on the quality of the lawyer you can afford and whether the governor wants to profile himself as a hardliner sending the highest possible amount of criminals to hell in order to make life safer.
    I would not hesitate to execute someone who shot 4 people in a courtroom before dozens of whitnesses, like that guy a couple of days earlier, but in most cases, you cannot rule out doubt.
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    I really have no feelings one way or another when it comes to how good a Dev Cagey makes, but he's quite kick **** when it comes to the off topic forums. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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