<b>Startopia,</b> as mentioned, was wonderfully unique and very well done. If you've played theme hospital and liked it, you'll love Startopia. I've got it sitting right next to me here. Played it at Circut City I believe as a demo (or some other store) and just decided to pick it up because it was so damn nifty.
<b>Soldiers: Heroes of WWII.</b> I dont think I've seen <i>advirtisement</i> for this whatsoever. Its an absolutely mind-bogglingly fantastic and completely original World War II "RTS" for the PC. When I put RTS in quotes, I mean that there is no base management, no resources, etc. You get a small squad of troops, and are put up against impossible odds with a complete sense of realism, not something like Metal of Honor where you'd say "oh he never would have done that." I mean its just so, so awesome. Everyone needs to <a href='http://www.codemasters.com/soldiers' target='_blank'>check it out.</a>
If any of you have played Suddenstrike (which was also a fun game in its time), then you'll know somewhat what Soldier's is like. Its Suddenstrike plus everything you ever wanted. Fully 3d terrain, as well as fully destructable terrain governed only by physics. No health bars on vehicles, instead you have to disable them by shooting the treds to make the tank stop, hitting the sides of the tank where its weak and puncturing its armor to hit a crew member or the entine, etc. Just an utterly fantastic and <i>brillant</i> game.
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<b>Bushido Blade 1&2</b> possibly the best fighting games every made. In my opinion the best thing Squaresoft ever made. They should have changed their main focus to 1on1 fighters instead of keeping up that whole "Final Fantasy" BS. The basic premise of the game is that it is a 3d fighter, you are given completely free movement, each character can use all of the weapons (katana, larger katana, staff, broadsword, and shortsword), each weapon has its own stances with each stance giving you different moves, and there is no health meter, so all of the hits either take off a limb or are fatalities. The game play usually ends up looking like the action in a Kurasawa(sp?) film, and it avoids the button memorization tedium of most fighting games. There are button comboes and specials to be memorized, but they are not necessary to win at all. Well timed one button moves can take out a badly placed combo, and with a forward stance will be able to keep most comboes at a distance. A very refreshing change from the "ULTRA SUPER HYPER COMBO THAT WILL KILL EVERYTHING" of many fighters, and the killer button mashing of others. This game should be required playing for any fighting game fans, but I've never met anyone else who knows what the heck this game is.
<b>Tyrian</b> Top Down shooting of the gods. Just play this game, you'll know why it's awesome. On its face it seems like a typical top-down shooter, and it mostly is. As top-downs go, however, this is the most solid titles you will see. The gameplay is solid, never a dull moment or repeditive level, it has two player mode which adds anew level to the gameplay, it has both arcade and story modes. The arcade mode is typical "shoot stuff and pick up colored powerups" stuff, the story mode allows you to totally customize your ship with your preffered weapons and sidekicks and the story is told (albiet semi-confusingly) through a series of data pickups scattered throughout the game. These pickups consist of messages for you, news items, and advertisements for various ficticious businesses in the Tyrian universe. The game also has an extremely quirky sense of humor, the data pickups you gather often contain amusing ads for useless stuff, or messages from your cat telling you to change his litterbox, and even the ships themselves can be a joke. At one point you can pilot the "Foodship 9" which is a giant flying carrot which shoots hot dogs or oranges. I cannot tell you the time I've wasted in my life playing this game over and over. It's good stuff, and I believe the original is abandonware now. One of Epic Games' forgotton classics.
Yeah, I agree- Tyrian was an awesome game. There are incredible amounts of "secret" levels and modes. I must have finished it hundreds of times just to see some of the stranger parts of the game (and some of it gets kind of wierd). I like to claim it as one of the games that's very well "finished", since it has so much content in it. I think it has got quite a bit of recognition though, so I don't know if it belongs in this list.
Hmmmm Let my just look over my amassed titles here....
Well, first off theres NOLF1/2, while it did get some commercial success it never got that much.
Republic: Because politics are fun kids!
UFO: Aftermath: Because its like X-Com, but modern day and the troops look cooler. However the learning curve is near vertical.
Abomination: Like the above but with mutants and other weird stuff.
Heavy Metal FAKK 2: The two weapon system kicks butt. Oh and you don't get bored of looking at the main characters butt. And the soundtrack is honest to god good.
Hybrid Heaven: Amazing RPG/Beat-Em-Up thing that just works
However top of the list of games people should have played but didn't.
Body Harvest.
Made by the guys that went on to make GTA III, Earth is being invaded and its inhabitants harvested. Travel through various timezones and drive land/sea and air vehicles from each era.
I mean how could that fail? But it did. And that makes me sad. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lemmie just read the stack of games I have for the pc:
Deus Ex. Greatest. Game. Ever. Made. Evar.
Clive Barker's Undying. The scariest game I've ever played - this WILL scare the sh*t out of you if you play it in a dark room.
Play it in a dark room.
Giants. What can be said, already had been. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->[
Oni. *Que fanboi cheers* This is the only fighting game I've ever really gotten into. You controll Konoko, a girl raised by the government from birth. She is somehow 'special' - and as you learn how special, you get to kick all kinds of bad guy a$$. Throw in some dark conspiracies, and you have a winnar. ^^
Sacrifice. Controll a wizard with a dark past and an uncertain future, as you vie for the favor of 5 gods. Cast dozens of spells and command hoards of creatures in a beautifully rendered world.
Gunlok. You controll a squad of 3 robots + 1 human as you fight to retake earth from evil machine/AI that have conquered the planet. Really requires you to use you brains more than your brawn.
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Mar 12 2005, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Mar 12 2005, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Subculture is one of the first PC games I ever fell in love with, but no one I know seems to have heard of it (I made a post about not being able to find it in the shops ages ago, some may remember). It was kinda like Freelancer, only under water. And you're tiny. You harvest coins and stuff for metal.
Wasn't really a great game but the graphics are good <b>now</b>, and I think the game is 5-ish years old. Really addictive and a little quirky sense of humour. Fun game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> oh yeah, sub culture was a good ol one, giants is still pretty high on my list. Armed and Dangerous was allright(funny) but it was kinda like playing giants again, but you couldnt be kabuta.
SACRIFICE good game, deservered more regonition by far
STARSIEGE AWSOME GAME, im not talking about tribes(starsiege where you fight with mechs), i played tribes but nothing beat the starsiege and the mech battles.
<b>Sacrifice</b>, for successfully hybridising strategy, third person wizardry, gorgeous graphics, engaging and adaptive storyline (the same events unfold but you choose which perspective you experience them, you could say), and top-notch voice acting.
<b>Netstorm</b>, for showing that it's possible to have a real time strategy with almost no mobile combat units, providing <i>real strategy</i> rather than the mathemagical numbers game of modern RTSs (Warcraft 3, I'm looking at you), detailed and original setting and the most original aproach to tech trees so far.
The original <b>Sid Meier's Civilization</b>. If you don't know why you should be ashamed.
The <b>Wing Commander</b> series, for excellent and immersive storytelling.
<b>Herzog Zwei</b>, which laid the fondation for <b>Dune 2</b>, which became the grandfather of the entire Real Time Strategy genre.
<b>Theif</b>, the martyr of the First Person Thinker \ Stealth subgenres.
Agree on <b>Civilisation</b> That swallowed hours upon hours on my Amiga.
But how about <b>Repton</b> for the BBC micro! Now we are talking <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Made you think. Or even <b>Hunchback</b> for the Acorn Electron. now that was smoking. Timing those jumps was hard.......
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-myrigth+Mar 14 2005, 10:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (myrigth @ Mar 14 2005, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dreamweb: Dark, violent cyberpunkish adventure game. Contains one of the first animated sex scenes in a videogame, woo!
Quarantine: Taxi driving game set in the future where you have to escape from a prison city, and kill lots of people in the process.
Prisoner of Ice: H.P Lovecraft, Cthulhu Mythos inspired adventure game.
Raptor (Call of the Shadows): Greatest top down shooter for the PC.
Zombies Ate My Neighbors: One of LucasArts' most overlooked games, this is a kickass action shooter for the SNES and Genesis.
Hyperblade: An "up to date version" reharsh of Speedball. Gameplay all the way.
Seek and play! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OH. MY. GOD. You are now my new hero for the NS boards.
<!--QuoteBegin-Surge+Mar 14 2005, 01:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Surge @ Mar 14 2005, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember playing Raptor a few years ago. I thought it was pretty coo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Quoted for thruth:
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
I can't possibly agree on Dreamweb any more. I loved that game, it's one of the best RPG's I've ever played. I ran a Shadowrun campaign based entirely around it's storyline.
<!--QuoteBegin-myrigth+Mar 14 2005, 04:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (myrigth @ Mar 14 2005, 04:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zombies Ate My Neighbors: One of LucasArts' most overlooked games, this is a kickass action shooter for the SNES and Genesis. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Finally, after all these <i>years</i> someone has reminded me of what the title was called. I absolutely loved that game, and have been trying to remember the name for all my life. Greatest game I played for the SNES, besides <b>Batman.</b> Fun game, beat it when I was three. Couldnt beat it when I was twelve. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Some games here have been higly mentions are are not unreaconised many place know them as good games so stop mentioning them and mentions the little guys eg - uplink
I still firmly believe that Jagged Alliance 2 (as mentioned earlier) was one of the greatest games ever made. Completely utterly nonlinear gameplay, a huge cast of characters, in-depth and varied tactical turn based strategy and a world that feels alive. It was just brilliant. The source code has been released as well, so there are a couple of really well-done total conversions out now for added fun.
<!--QuoteBegin-Haze+Mar 14 2005, 03:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Mar 14 2005, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-myrigth+Mar 14 2005, 04:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (myrigth @ Mar 14 2005, 04:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zombies Ate My Neighbors: One of LucasArts' most overlooked games, this is a kickass action shooter for the SNES and Genesis. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Finally, after all these <i>years</i> someone has reminded me of what the title was called. I absolutely loved that game, and have been trying to remember the name for all my life. Greatest game I played for the SNES, besides <b>Batman.</b> Fun game, beat it when I was three. Couldnt beat it when I was twelve. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hated it when neighbours turned into werewolves. There was nothing you could do about it, IIRC. ):<
Yup. Last time I played that game was when I was around eight, but all I know that it was a blast. I kept looking for it where ever I went, but sadly SNES was phased out by the time I started. Much love.
Toejam and Earl for the megadrive (or Genesis). One of the earliest computer games I played, and Its still fun. The sequel is pretty good too, but plays completely differently.
is X-COM now freely downloadable since its so old or are they still selling it?or is it shareware or smhting?well if it is can someone show me a link,I want to play some me hunts aliens with my plasmagun and flies in my armor.I have lost the disk centuries ago <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
...yet? In fact, lets just agree that Bulldog r teh r0x0rz <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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- Shockwave <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Some text" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love how people keep editing my quotes. I always wonder why they bother to quote me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Shockwave
<b>Soldiers: Heroes of WWII.</b> I dont think I've seen <i>advirtisement</i> for this whatsoever. Its an absolutely mind-bogglingly fantastic and completely original World War II "RTS" for the PC. When I put RTS in quotes, I mean that there is no base management, no resources, etc. You get a small squad of troops, and are put up against impossible odds with a complete sense of realism, not something like Metal of Honor where you'd say "oh he never would have done that." I mean its just so, so awesome. Everyone needs to <a href='http://www.codemasters.com/soldiers' target='_blank'>check it out.</a>
If any of you have played Suddenstrike (which was also a fun game in its time), then you'll know somewhat what Soldier's is like. Its Suddenstrike plus everything you ever wanted. Fully 3d terrain, as well as fully destructable terrain governed only by physics. No health bars on vehicles, instead you have to disable them by shooting the treds to make the tank stop, hitting the sides of the tank where its weak and puncturing its armor to hit a crew member or the entine, etc. Just an utterly fantastic and <i>brillant</i> game.
In my opinion the best thing Squaresoft ever made. They should have changed their main focus to 1on1 fighters instead of keeping up that whole "Final Fantasy" BS. The basic premise of the game is that it is a 3d fighter, you are given completely free movement, each character can use all of the weapons (katana, larger katana, staff, broadsword, and shortsword), each weapon has its own stances with each stance giving you different moves, and there is no health meter, so all of the hits either take off a limb or are fatalities. The game play usually ends up looking like the action in a Kurasawa(sp?) film, and it avoids the button memorization tedium of most fighting games. There are button comboes and specials to be memorized, but they are not necessary to win at all. Well timed one button moves can take out a badly placed combo, and with a forward stance will be able to keep most comboes at a distance. A very refreshing change from the "ULTRA SUPER HYPER COMBO THAT WILL KILL EVERYTHING" of many fighters, and the killer button mashing of others. This game should be required playing for any fighting game fans, but I've never met anyone else who knows what the heck this game is.
<b>Tyrian</b> Top Down shooting of the gods.
Just play this game, you'll know why it's awesome. On its face it seems like a typical top-down shooter, and it mostly is. As top-downs go, however, this is the most solid titles you will see. The gameplay is solid, never a dull moment or repeditive level, it has two player mode which adds anew level to the gameplay, it has both arcade and story modes. The arcade mode is typical "shoot stuff and pick up colored powerups" stuff, the story mode allows you to totally customize your ship with your preffered weapons and sidekicks and the story is told (albiet semi-confusingly) through a series of data pickups scattered throughout the game. These pickups consist of messages for you, news items, and advertisements for various ficticious businesses in the Tyrian universe. The game also has an extremely quirky sense of humor, the data pickups you gather often contain amusing ads for useless stuff, or messages from your cat telling you to change his litterbox, and even the ships themselves can be a joke. At one point you can pilot the "Foodship 9" which is a giant flying carrot which shoots hot dogs or oranges. I cannot tell you the time I've wasted in my life playing this game over and over. It's good stuff, and I believe the original is abandonware now. One of Epic Games' forgotton classics.
Well, first off theres NOLF1/2, while it did get some commercial success it never got that much.
Republic: Because politics are fun kids!
UFO: Aftermath: Because its like X-Com, but modern day and the troops look cooler. However the learning curve is near vertical.
Abomination: Like the above but with mutants and other weird stuff.
Heavy Metal FAKK 2: The two weapon system kicks butt. Oh and you don't get bored of looking at the main characters butt. And the soundtrack is honest to god good.
Hybrid Heaven: Amazing RPG/Beat-Em-Up thing that just works
However top of the list of games people should have played but didn't.
Body Harvest.
Made by the guys that went on to make GTA III, Earth is being invaded and its inhabitants harvested. Travel through various timezones and drive land/sea and air vehicles from each era.
I mean how could that fail? But it did. And that makes me sad. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Deus Ex.
Greatest. Game. Ever. Made. Evar.
Clive Barker's Undying.
The scariest game I've ever played - this WILL scare the sh*t out of you if you play it in a dark room.
Play it in a dark room.
Giants.
What can be said, already had been. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->[
Oni.
*Que fanboi cheers* This is the only fighting game I've ever really gotten into. You controll Konoko, a girl raised by the government from birth. She is somehow 'special' - and as you learn how special, you get to kick all kinds of bad guy a$$. Throw in some dark conspiracies, and you have a winnar. ^^
Sacrifice.
Controll a wizard with a dark past and an uncertain future, as you vie for the favor of 5 gods. Cast dozens of spells and command hoards of creatures in a beautifully rendered world.
Summoner.
Awesome storyline, awesome gameplay, awesome RPG.
Gunlok.
You controll a squad of 3 robots + 1 human as you fight to retake earth from evil machine/AI that have conquered the planet. Really requires you to use you brains more than your brawn.
Wasn't really a great game but the graphics are good <b>now</b>, and I think the game is 5-ish years old. Really addictive and a little quirky sense of humour. Fun game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh yeah, sub culture was a good ol one, giants is still pretty high on my list. Armed and Dangerous was allright(funny) but it was kinda like playing giants again, but you couldnt be kabuta.
SACRIFICE
good game, deservered more regonition by far
STARSIEGE
AWSOME GAME, im not talking about tribes(starsiege where you fight with mechs), i played tribes but nothing beat the starsiege and the mech battles.
Quarantine: Taxi driving game set in the future where you have to escape from a prison city, and kill lots of people in the process.
Prisoner of Ice: H.P Lovecraft, Cthulhu Mythos inspired adventure game.
Raptor (Call of the Shadows): Greatest top down shooter for the PC.
Zombies Ate My Neighbors: One of LucasArts' most overlooked games, this is a kickass action shooter for the SNES and Genesis.
Hyperblade: An "up to date version" reharsh of Speedball. Gameplay all the way.
Seek and play!
<b>Sacrifice</b>, for successfully hybridising strategy, third person wizardry, gorgeous graphics, engaging and adaptive storyline (the same events unfold but you choose which perspective you experience them, you could say), and top-notch voice acting.
<b>Netstorm</b>, for showing that it's possible to have a real time strategy with almost no mobile combat units, providing <i>real strategy</i> rather than the mathemagical numbers game of modern RTSs (Warcraft 3, I'm looking at you), detailed and original setting and the most original aproach to tech trees so far.
The original <b>Sid Meier's Civilization</b>. If you don't know why you should be ashamed.
The <b>Wing Commander</b> series, for excellent and immersive storytelling.
<b>Herzog Zwei</b>, which laid the fondation for <b>Dune 2</b>, which became the grandfather of the entire Real Time Strategy genre.
<b>Theif</b>, the martyr of the First Person Thinker \ Stealth subgenres.
But how about <b>Repton</b> for the BBC micro! Now we are talking <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Made you think. Or even <b>Hunchback</b> for the Acorn Electron. now that was smoking. Timing those jumps was hard.......
Um think I regressed too much here.
Quarantine: Taxi driving game set in the future where you have to escape from a prison city, and kill lots of people in the process.
Prisoner of Ice: H.P Lovecraft, Cthulhu Mythos inspired adventure game.
Raptor (Call of the Shadows): Greatest top down shooter for the PC.
Zombies Ate My Neighbors: One of LucasArts' most overlooked games, this is a kickass action shooter for the SNES and Genesis.
Hyperblade: An "up to date version" reharsh of Speedball. Gameplay all the way.
Seek and play! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OH. MY. GOD. You are now my new hero for the NS boards.
PWN PWN.
Pwn.
Pwn.
PWN PWN.
Pwn.
Meh.
5/6 for the win!
- Shockwave
Quoted for thruth:
Raptor Rox <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Shockwave
I know it was call "pod"
Also Oni has been mentioned, but not F.A.K.K. 2
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Finally, after all these <i>years</i> someone has reminded me of what the title was called. I absolutely loved that game, and have been trying to remember the name for all my life. Greatest game I played for the SNES, besides <b>Batman.</b> Fun game, beat it when I was three. Couldnt beat it when I was twelve. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Finally, after all these <i>years</i> someone has reminded me of what the title was called. I absolutely loved that game, and have been trying to remember the name for all my life. Greatest game I played for the SNES, besides <b>Batman.</b> Fun game, beat it when I was three. Couldnt beat it when I was twelve. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hated it when neighbours turned into werewolves. There was nothing you could do about it, IIRC. ):<
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Magic Carpet</span>
...yet? In fact, lets just agree that Bulldog r teh r0x0rz <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->