A Question About Motion And Sensory

AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
<div class="IPBDescription">:D</div> Ok, so cloaking got a revamp in 3.0. woohoo! But I'm wondering, when will motion tracking pick you up? As in, say you have the cloaking upgrade, will motion tracking pick you up if your at 10%+ visibility, or what? I'm just curious.

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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    This is really good question, Something new to wonder. I think it is when you are walking you dont show up while cloaked, thou it is just a guess
  • XtofXtof Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15514Members
    edited March 2005
    Hi,

    Here are my thoughts on that matter. From an alien point of view you can see when or whether you are cloaked or not (you can see it in the moddel).

    (1) With a sensory chamber in the hood you <u>can run</u> and still be cloaked. So with sensory chamber in the hood: the more speed you generate, the more you are visible, but not uncloaked and as such not vissible on motion tracking. You are however uncloaked with sensory chamber when:
    - the area is you are in is scaned.
    - you attacked (used attack in slot 1 to slot 4).
    - you were shot at.

    (2) But without sensory chamber in the hood, but with the cloack upgrade <u>you need to walk</u> in order to not show up on motion tracking.

    So to answer your question we must look at situation (2). Walking means staying cloaked; running means uncloaking. You are (don't know the percentages) more cloaked while standing still then when walking.

    <u>EDIT</u>: So in fact it is so that when you have the cloack upgrade - such as in situation 2 - <u>AND you run</u>, you show up on motion tracking even <u>though you ARE cloaked</u>!!! Now isn't that weird ^^.
    But it makes sense to be able to track aliens - once they have a certain speed (and more speed means being more visible) - such as in situation 2.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->O Major changes to the alien cloaking upgrade:
    - Players moving faster than walking pace will gradually become more visible the faster they move, but only to a max visibility of 30%.
    - Players using Cloaking upgrade will no longer be fully visible at any time unless attacking or being attacked. <span style='color:red'> Unless of course you run and motion tracking has been researched. I don't know though at what % of visibility you show up on motion tracking with the cloack upgrade
    <u>Edit -> This statement is not true</u>: when you use the cloak upgrade, you become more cloacked the more sensory chambers are available.  This goes from 1 to 2 to 3 sensory chambers, the 4th sensory chamber will not give you more cloack-power. <u>End Edit</u>
    Can anyone give me more information on that?)</span>
    - You have to wait 3 seconds after uncloaking before you begin to cloak again.
    - Turrets will not fire at slow moving aliens (-> players with less than 10% visibility).
    - Increased visibility for aliens moving at greater than normal moving speed (bunnyhopping, gliding, etc.).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <u>END EDIT</u>

    Just my thoughts, not certain though.

    Greetz,
    XtOf
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Xtof is right. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • XtofXtof Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15514Members
  • meepmeep Join Date: 2004-02-04 Member: 26034Members
    edited March 2005
    Just to clarify, motion tracking picks you up if you exceed a certain speed (which I believe is walking speed) unless you're in range of a sensory chamber. This hasn't changed in the new version.
  • N_3N_3 &#092;o/ Join Date: 2004-03-12 Member: 27291Members, Constellation
    edited March 2005
    Xtof, the amount of sensory chambers for the cloaking upgrade (ie cloaking level) doesnt affect the visibility (or lack of) of the alien. Succesive levels of cloaking only decrease the time taken to cloak after being visable.

    For an alien to not be picked up by motion, they must be <u>fully cloaked</u> or not moving (looking around isnt moving). With only the cloaking upgrade this requires walking, running with the cloaking upgrade will cause the alien to only be partially cloaked.

    An sc allows you to be fully cloaked regardless of speed, so running wont show on mt if your near a sensory chamber (because you stay fully cloaked), this is also regardless of wether or not you have the cloaking upgrade. Attacking inside sc range will uncloak you and hence be shown on mt.

    Also, motion tracking blips will not appear for the player if the alien is in line of sight, cloaked or not.
  • vermifaxvermifax Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27075Members, Constellation
    I'm pretty sure looking around is considered moving to MT unless that changed in 3.0 final
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-vermifax+Mar 16 2005, 12:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vermifax @ Mar 16 2005, 12:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm pretty sure looking around is considered moving to MT unless that changed in 3.0 final <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Now that is wrong, everything else then does shows on - when speking uncloaked. cloaked is all different ballgame.
  • XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-N 3+Mar 16 2005, 10:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N 3 @ Mar 16 2005, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, motion tracking blips will not appear for the player if the alien is in line of sight, cloaked or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Just a tip to counter that, keep an eye on the minimap.
  • Guardian1Guardian1 Join Date: 2003-09-14 Member: 20853Members
    I don't think that Cloaking has anything to do with Motion Tracking.

    I could be wrong, but you are detected on MT when you run. When walking you are NOT detected. I don't think that Sensory Chambers inhibit Motion Tracking either.

    The amount of cloaking you have does not make a difference.

    Can anyone verify this?
  • God_KillerGod_Killer Join Date: 2004-02-16 Member: 26592Members
    Mt shows any movement of any alien is he is not cloaked.

    Looking around doesnt show on mt, walking does.

    I didnt test with celerity/cloaked skulks for instence...maybe high speed cloaked aliens show up on mt, but I doubt.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I could be wrong, but you are detected on MT when you run. When walking you are NOT detected. I don't think that Sensory Chambers inhibit Motion Tracking either.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm pretty sure that being in range of a sensory chamber prevents you from showing up on motion tracking.

    As for aliens with cloaking, they vary from 5% visible to 30% visible. At 10% visible, turrets can see the alien. It would make sense for motion tracking to use the same value, but I don't know that it actually works that way.
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    edited March 2005
    In sensory range, running or walking: Can not be picked up by MT
    Walking with cloak: Can not be picked up by MT
    Running with cloak: <b>Can</b> be picked up by MT
    Walking without cloak: <b>Can</b> be picked up by MT
  • N_3N_3 &#092;o/ Join Date: 2004-03-12 Member: 27291Members, Constellation
    Exactly, if you are <u>fully</u> cloaked (5% visable) then you wont be picked up by motion (and obviously not moving wont get picked up either).
  • CyberPitzCyberPitz Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31301Members, Constellation
    I was starting to wonder about this, glad it's here <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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