Knife Knockback

ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
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<div class="IPBDescription">Thank God it's out :D</div> I didn't put this in I&S or the bug forum because it's been removed in b6, but check out what the knife knockback can do in b5. This marine literally bounced the onos on his knife and the onos couldn't hit him until it timed it perfectly.
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  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    edited February 2005
    From my experiences it's not just the knife that gives that upward "knockback" effect. I've noticed that if you melee attack at the right angle you can juggle'n knock up players.
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  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    its not just the onos part, but have you ever gotten knifed as a fade? not knifed for a death but ive been slashing about and somebody pulled out their knife and ive died because the knockback completely **** me up. it completely **** with blink. ive also had this happen as a lerk.
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  • GNSGNS Join Date: 2005-02-02 Member: 39476Members
    edited February 2005
    Yes I will miss knockback as well. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Edit: omg tehbus waht is it? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • SizerSizer Join Date: 2003-10-08 Member: 21531Members
    Aswell isn't a word.

    I'm sure the aliens won't miss the knockback.
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  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    Since when was "knockback" a word, Sizer?
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  • ArmageddonArmageddon Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33055Members
    now take out bite knockback.
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  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Armageddon+Feb 23 2005, 02:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Armageddon @ Feb 23 2005, 02:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> now take out bite knockback. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    reduce it more heavily. i really hate it when they jump and land 50 feet away then i get owned by the fresh shotgun shell they have put in since they missed the firs ttime and have gotten bitten twice.
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Feb 23 2005, 01:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Feb 23 2005, 01:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Since when was "knockback" a word, Sizer? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes... the word nazi... coming from the person with the name pjofsky... what the heck is that!?!
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  • TheJimTheJim Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34080Members, Constellation
    edited February 2005
    Im so glad knockback has gone in beta 6 for 1 reson only in beta 5 if 1 marine gets under u and keeps knocking u in the air with his nife u gotta time it right to hit but 9 times outa 10 i usually find that his team joins him underneath me which is pain u can still kill them all but all it takes is 1 guy with hmg to come round the corner and ya screwed!

    It was kind of stupid having a knife able to knock back a 2 tonne alien like the Onos!
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  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Feb 23 2005, 01:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Feb 23 2005, 01:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Since when was "knockback" a word, Sizer? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Knockback is a word. You won't find it in the OED, but it is a term that has been accepted by the gaming community as a whole.
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  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-c4t+Feb 22 2005, 11:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (c4t @ Feb 22 2005, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Armageddon+Feb 23 2005, 02:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Armageddon @ Feb 23 2005, 02:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> now take out bite knockback. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    reduce it more heavily. i really hate it when they jump and land 50 feet away then i get owned by the fresh shotgun shell they have put in since they missed the firs ttime and have gotten bitten twice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They tried taking out bite knockback a while ago (I think during 2.0 betas), and it was way too much of an advantage for aliens.
    <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Feb 23 2005, 01:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Feb 23 2005, 01:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Since when was "knockback" a word, Sizer? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes... the word nazi... coming from the person with the name pjofsky... what the heck is that!?!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think you missed the point. He was saying that Sizer shouldn't be a word nazi when he was using a word that isn't really a word. Whether or not knockback is a word doesn't really change his point (responding to theclam's post).
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  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Feb 23 2005, 12:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Feb 23 2005, 12:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think you missed the point.  He was saying that Sizer shouldn't be a word nazi when he was using a word that isn't really a word.  Whether or not knockback is a word doesn't really change his point (responding to theclam's post). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Whee, I was saved!

    Anyway. Bite knock-back should be kept in. As a marine, I rely on that a lot to get further away from a skulk if they manage to get the first bite.

    As for knife knock-back, that would probably help me get more knife kills regarding the skulk, but it's incredibly useful when you're fighting an onos. If you just crouch and knife upward, they're flung into the air, and everyone else gets to shoot at it. It doesn't make that much of a difference, even if it's way above your head. The onos is still able to gore you (if it has focus, it might be harder), but I always thought that was intended, because the knifer isn't exactly without risk.
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  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2005
    pjofsky, the knifer is also not worth anything, it's a 0 res creature that can block an onos escape and juggle it about for a few seconds while the rest of the team shoots it to bits.

    (as fun as that is when you are on marines...)
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  • ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    edited February 2005
    I should add that that was a bot match, testing rcbot vs. whichbot. wb would have pwned them if I hadn't commed and jped all the rt's.

    Anyone have a link to a profile pack of much more skillful rcbots? I would do it myself, but I wouldn't know how to balance it.
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    take bite knock-back away.... if anything it should bring marines closer.... NS is a range Vs melee game. if the melee can sneak up /ambush/ overpower the range and get into its melee zone.. then the range deserve to die. if you let a skulk get that close to you it should spell diaster.. and its not like you still can't jump... just get rid of knock back entirely
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  • ThorStrykerThorStryker Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12025Members
    (Refering to Bite Knock Back)
    Marine fans love knock back as it can give them an over-powered edge when it shouldn't.
    Alien fans hate it because it takes a kill away that they deserve. Its like saying every other shot a marine takes should also damage him self, so he has to be careful when he shoots an alien or the alien will kill him with his own attack.

    The real solution?
    Keep bite knock back in, but have it knock out the person's weapon (just make the weapon fly 6feet back with the person), if the person decides to jump and do the flying knock back, let him suffer in the end for loosing his weapon, but keeping his life.
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    Knife knockback is a nono, thats like saying parasite should prevent the marine from shooting for a period of time.


    Stop seeing balance from one side and go for the middle.
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  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Easier to get knife kills without knockback.
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  • Krazy_GlueKrazy_Glue Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16393Members
    bite knockback does really do THAT much

    most of the times its people just strafe jumping away
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  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    meh it was really funny to see a marine get his timing down and start an "onos juggle"

    but yea... Im glad to see it go.
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  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Krazy Glue+Feb 23 2005, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Krazy Glue @ Feb 23 2005, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> bite knockback does really do THAT much

    most of the times its people just strafe jumping away <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes it does you dont know what your talking about.
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  • Dark_Shimmer1Dark_Shimmer1 Join Date: 2003-06-24 Member: 17666Members
    Against skulks, knockback can mean life or death.

    Marines should be getting owned by skulks at close range, IMO.
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