Bot For Ns :d

Smellslikefeces · November 2002

THANKS!!! I love the amount of cohesion and unity this community has! Thanks again! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Cheeseh · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaherG @ Nov 27 2002, 08:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Cheeseh:I really dont know if thats the right way to play ns,but is it supposed that the marines(bots) move around on their own...even if I didnt give any waypoints,it happens with the bots,is it mean to be this way?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Erm... can't anyone do their own thing? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> They will follow orders if you give them orders but it will seem pretty unrealisteic if they just stayed in the same place for fifty years before an order <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> after all its NS multiplayer where players are the marines... not C&C where it is all AI but I could add an option for that (but then what would the aliens do?)

I never heard of the pheonix mod though so I dont know if it will work, I take it, its a metamod plugin. have you tried it yourself?

I'll also need to check out they doors the bots always get stuck at <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

ShingyBoy · November 2002

On bast i noticed if they took the elevator down they would try and rape the door instead of actually pressing the door switch

Jeed · November 2002

Great bot Cheeseh, I just had a really quick qustion (just need to make sure). Your bots are compadable with the latest version of NS (1.03), right?

Thanks,
~Jeed~

(P.S. Keep up the good work! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> )

Cheeseh · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jeed @ Nov 27 2002, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Great bot Cheeseh, I just had a really quick qustion (just need to make sure). Your bots are compadable with the latest version of NS (1.03), right?

Thanks,
~Jeed~

(P.S. Keep up the good work! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> )</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
They should be, I don't see why not. Only client updates might need a bot update.

I know about the ns_bast door, its a trange one, because the actual button origin ( seen by the bots) is not in the right place, so the bots think the button is through the wall or below the ground, which I cannot fix, it's the same with the elevator.

MaherG · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cheeseh @ Nov 27 2002, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Erm... can't anyone do their own thing? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> They will follow orders if you give them orders but it will seem pretty unrealisteic if they just stayed in the same place for fifty years before an order <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> after all its NS multiplayer where players are the marines... not C&C where it is all AI but I could add an option for that (but then what would the aliens do?)
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I see...

Doj · November 2002

i said its a mod of mozilla...you know mozilla...its a browser *rolleyes* it just displays your code.

PS: frames are icky

MoNG_turdle · November 2002

you should use some of <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=13918' target='_blank'>these</a> templates. theyre sweeet. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Sidewinder · November 2002

Come on Cheeseh make your pitiful bots build buildings! (Okay they aren't pitful - rather - amazing!!!!!! But still, it is soooo boring with so little things to shoot at.) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>

MoNG_turdle · November 2002

are yopu releasing your source code cheeseh? i want to screw around with it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'>

Cheeseh · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sidewinder @ Nov 28 2002, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Come on Cheeseh make your pitiful bots build buildings! (Okay they aren't pitful - rather - amazing!!!!!! But still, it is soooo boring with so little things to shoot at.) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
dont they? They can except marine commanders since they cant go commander yet.

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are yopu releasing your source code cheeseh? i want to screw around with it.
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I am not yet, maybe when I am finished with it, or not working on it anymore, but I'm still getting the bots to play the gam properly, sure it would be good to have the source code out, but what I fear is a hundred NS bots exactly like mine (cos the source-code is totally the same or whereabouts) and they don't go anywhere

Satans_Assassin · November 2002

Please guys, stop asking so much of Cheeseh- give him some time. The bots are still very simple now, and that's because you cannot expect ultra smart bots in such a short while. Cheeseh is only one man, and he hasn't exactly had much time to do anything. I mean, seriously, the whole NS mod has only been released for a month. So please, give Cheeseh, time, respect and encouragement. Oh yea, and try to make sure you have caught up on what has been said in this topic before posting your questions- I have seen quite a few posts of concerns that have already been answered. Thanks people, and thanks Cheeseh. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Sidewinder · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cheeseh @ Nov 28 2002, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sidewinder @ Nov 28 2002, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Come on Cheeseh make your pitiful bots build buildings! (Okay they aren't pitful - rather - amazing!!!!!! But still, it is soooo boring with so little things to shoot at.) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
dont they? They can except marine commanders since they cant go commander yet.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Oh woops I should rephrase that for you Cheeseh. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> I meant the ALIENS don't build enough buildings. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'> Sorry for the confusion.

JRock · November 2002

Okay I downloaded and tried out the bot.

I'm sure you put some hard work into it and hey, one bot is better than none, but honestly these bots at least on the Marine side are still incredibly dumb.

I played Commander for them and they still didn't build some things, got stuck in many places, and generally just sucked. The Kharaa I saw were some fairly dumb skulks and a gorge that build a couple random Offensive towers.

Btw, you will always need a human Commander because it'd be asking too much, possibly impossible, to have a bot do that. Unless he can rewrite enough of the mod code to make the Commander a player who can just walk around like a Gorge.

All in all it might be fun if it ever gets to the point where the bots have a full set of waypoints for all the maps and can better handle areas like the ladders up/down from the Marine base on Bast, use switches properly, and Gorgebots can build a useful defense/offense.

PseudoKnight · November 2002

NS is an incredibly complex mods to build bots for. I'm impressed with his current progress and it's been less than a month.

Even CS bots are dumb, and that's a simple mod.

While it's possible for game designers to design incredibly complex BOTS for their games, they refrain from doing so because of the very high CPU usage. Keep that in mind as well.

Cheeseh · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Satans Assassin @ Nov 28 2002, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Please guys, stop asking so much of Cheeseh- give him some time. The bots are still very simple now, and that's because you cannot expect ultra smart bots in such a short while. Cheeseh is only one man, and he hasn't exactly had much time to do anything. I mean, seriously, the whole NS mod has only been released for a month. So please, give Cheeseh, time, respect and encouragement. Oh yea, and try to make sure you have caught up on what has been said in this topic before posting your questions- I have seen quite a few posts of concerns that have already been answered. Thanks people, and thanks Cheeseh. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Couldn't have said better myself <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I played Commander for them and they still didn't build some things, got stuck in many places, and generally just sucked. The Kharaa I saw were some fairly dumb skulks and a gorge that build a couple random Offensive towers</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'> I have'nt seen any bots that refuse to build things, when I test theyre crazy about building. Remember they will ONLY build something if they see the thing they want to build, theyre visible objects are updated every few milliseconds to about a second for bots with low skill, so the bot could just miss out seeing the object even when it looks at it, because it IS a dumb (n00b) bot becuase its skill is high.

ShingyBoy · November 2002

I fink those idiots who are complaining about this bot should really stop remember ns is like a complex mod and this bot has only been released a short time i was suprised coz i thought i would av to wait agez to play with bots and its progress so far is really good for a bot which has bin out such a short time so really if u want to help play with the bots and spot bugs instead of going off about **obscenity**

Wurmspawn · November 2002

/me adds additional props to Cheeseh for all his good work
(but i'm sure he knows who to listen to anyways)

would it be possible to start a separate forum section on your page specifically for NSbot related ideas and comments? it might be easier to separate out comments and ideas that way.

PetitMorte · November 2002

Hey Cheeseh! Fantastic work on these bots. Thank you VERY much for your work. I really appreciate it.

I just installed 1.50 and it has fixed a crash problem I was having. Great job.

Just one question tho... What's the allowed_players.cfg? It doesn't have any data in it.

Thanks again!

ShingyBoy · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PetitMorte @ Nov 29 2002, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Hey Cheeseh! Fantastic work on these bots. Thank you VERY much for your work. I really appreciate it.

I just installed 1.50 and it has fixed a crash problem I was having. Great job.

Just one question tho... What's the allowed_players.cfg? It doesn't have any data in it.

Thanks again!</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Read the readme file u will know wot to put in then basicly it tells u wot stuff u can put in ur supposed to do it urself its not supposed to av any data.....

Cheeseh · November 2002

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Read the "admin" section of the readme, basically it stores won id's of players that you have allowed to give access to use bot commands (like for waypointing, so you can have a lot of people waypointing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>) And other fun stuff <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'> You can add things to it by using the allow_player and remove by using disallow_player command.

JRock · November 2002

Btw, I was not complaining, just critiquing. I think it's awesome that you are dedicated enough to work on a bot for NS.

Cheeseh · November 2002

Hey if you want bots to choose different names (bug found <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>), a bot menu and better CPU Usage, have a look at version 0.152 and see what ya'll think <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

philmcneal · November 2002

OMG CHEESSA I TAKE A BREAK FOR 5 DAYS AND MY FAVORATE BOT IS UPDATED WITH METAMOD!!!!!!!!

KISS KISS <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ezekiel · November 2002

i cant get the bots to build anything. for some reason it wont waypoint or tell em to build when selected.

edit: ok i can now, but its very sketchy, and yeah, i understand its first releases and all that. ill wait for some more updates <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

DY357LX · November 2002

This is great for Commander Practice.
Keep up the good work and let me know if you need any help....
not sure how I can help... waypoints for Skulks wallclimbing maybe?

Anywhoooo, "just ask" and "well done" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

ShingyBoy · November 2002

I dunno helping by suggestions spotting bugs and giving ur true opnion about yadaa yadaa without turning into a flamefest

Elite_Guard · November 2002

on hera 12 of my bots got stuck under the Entrance Walway elevator <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

NecromanZer · December 2002

I've just read through 18 pages of this thread, and Cheeseh im very impressed with the amount of work you put into a project like this. Well done, and never give up because your work IS appreciated

Cheeseh · December 2002

Thanks! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> By the way I've been noticed more bugs in this version, e.g. the bots don't choose teams after level change and they sometimes don't shoot becuase they stop too far away to bite you etc, so a new release will need to be made, then I can concentrate on commander bots!

Bot For Ns :d

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