Hey I was the first person to get a dload for the new version (And this is my first note on forums, w00t). Anyways I'm finding some issues. I'm running the game without the server patch, and I found that bots are stupid when it comes to the ready room, usually piling up into one team. Also I noticed that they like ignoring me. I had built a armory in my spawn, and turret factory at an expansion, and they ran around it like chickens with their heads cut off , completely ignoring my build orders. Anyways, not that I'm knocking youre work or anything, I sure as heck couldn't get a bot up in a week. Good work, keep it up! <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Not sure, but is it possible to have the marine bots actively use the ammo dispensor once it is set down? Perhaps something where if they need ammo and they're in the base, they don't constantly yell out that the need ammo but rather go to the dispensor instead? Or if you drop a ammo dispensor in another location and they are near it, they will head to that location, rather than yell out for ammo?
Another suggestion, for the bots that play marines. If two lone marines spot one another and you haven't given them any orders, perhaps have them team up to assist one another.
The same with the aliens, if they are skulks, perhaps have them team up in a similar fashion and attack the same targets?
"Not sure, but is it possible to have the marine bots actively use the ammo dispensor once it is set down?" Yes and I have tried, it should also be coded into the bot but I've never seen it happening.
I've already considered the other things...
Anyway haven't worked on more yet, been asleepy and my PC fans are making annoying noises now for some reason grrrrr...... I bet it's the PSU my last PSU did that and thats why I got this one, it doesnt even last a few leasly months <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
lol sorry bout all these releases, (Making bots is an addictive drug for me <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->) I fixed quite a few things (and hopefully the build bug thing) that were annoying bugs...
>Made bots choose a team without having to wander around readyroom. >Fixed a bug where bots couldn't use ammo dispensers. >Bots will defend things now, if they defend players, they will follow them. >Fixed a bug where aliens will build too many of one structure. >Fixed a bug where bots wont try to build structures when they are only partially built. >Marine bots try to find the hives, Alien bots try to find marine command centers.
<a href='http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pat.murphy/rcbot/rbotns.zip' target='_blank'>Download Here</a> (now version 0.14!)
Thank you thank you thank you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
One more question or request.. I know its been suggested already, but perhaps getting the aliens to try and capture all the hives? Not sure how hard that would be.
Thank you for the additions you've made so far. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nice work mate <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> hopefuly your work continues as good it does now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Enjoyed quite much with the bots. *salutes*
yeah well <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I've tried to get bots to build hives but haven't told them to capture as many as they can yet <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Cheeseh+Nov 9 2002, 12:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cheeseh @ Nov 9 2002, 12:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeah well <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I've tried to get bots to build hives but haven't told them to capture as many as they can yet <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well me and my pal played as marines, and found 2 hives... It took some time them to figure how to build hive, maybe they need even more time to build the third one up <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I dont mind mass released, Because releases = improvements. Improvements mean smarter apponents (The only apponents for me will ever be bots because of my stupid processor :\). Keep up the good work.
Booyah! Keep the updates coming! You're doing nice work here, I love all these small updates. Always something new to try, and besides with small updates you will more easily be able to filter out the bugs and issues that come with them. Keep up the work!
Wow Keep Updating and keep up the good work! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I've gotta go try this new release now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ok I did some testing with the bot and this is what I found out:
1) Bots still seem to build a bit too many of those darned sensory chambers, is there any way to put a limit on sensory and movement chambers so the bots won't build too many? But it's still alot better, they don't spam the place with them and build more offence chambers but it's seems there's a 50%/50% chance building sensory or offence chambers.
2) Still more work need to be done with the marine bot waypointing, although it's ALOT better now they still seem to have minor problems sometimes.
3) None of the bots really used an ammo dispencer, I don't know what could be causing this, but... uhm, none of the bots did.
4) If a bot runs out of ammunition with his primary and secondary he pulls out his knife and starts screaming for ammo. Although if you give him ammo he will keep his knife out and continue screaming for ammo seeing as he won't pick it up.
5) I was playing against 9 alien bots and about 6 of them were in primary hive through the whole game while just a couple acctually went outside the hive to expand, this needs a fix. And then while you're at it try to make them go together when they first leave.
Ok this was about what I saw that needs a fix for this version on, happy botting! (or whatver you can call it)
Yeah two things I think would help are if one bot is building something, any other nearby bots (that can get there) try to come and help build. And plus they just need to build more in general. But other than that good work!!!
It would be a good idea to name this bot since im looking forward to future releases. You can name it after my new NS clan
"FeaR"
I will change my clan name that way I wont be getting in your way. I dont even think my clan will succeed so screw it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I tested the bot some hours on the map "ns_eclipse". First I thought this bot needs some more development, because the marine bots don't build the structures I placed in the rooms. After playing some time and some hard work to get the bots in corners they never visit by themselbves it was better and they build the structures very quick.
My first conclusion is there is a really need to be able to make some handcrafted waypoints for each map. OK for "ns_eclipse" I have now some waypoints which seem to be useable, but there are still problems the bots try to jump at the wrong places, fell down and can not get out of this place by themselves. Maybe it is possible to add waypoints where the bots are not allowed to jump.
My second conclusion is bots have to follow orders at highest priority. Everytime when they are fighting they ignore commands to go to a waypoint or build a structure. This caused problems because sometimes they weren't be able to hit the enemies (and the enemies couldn't hit my marines) from a specific position. But they tried to kill the enemies all the time ignboring my commands. I had to jump off the command center and kill the enemies by myself from a different position to "free" the soldiers.
I think to follow commands at the highest priority is the most important thing. If you think the time is right please add the possibility to make predefined waypoints, but they should always be able to learn, with information like "button", "don't jump here", "ladder", "don't shoot from here find another place", etc.
Maybe it is a good idea to look at the Sturmbot for DoD. It tries to learn from his mistakes.
But as I mentioned some posts before: Step by step <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
My "ns_eclipse" waypoint can be downloaded <a href='http://www.franks-planet.de/fp/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=6' target='_blank'>here</a>.
just my luck, Thanks frap! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Eclipse is my fav level in this mod, and its also the first map I played with these bots on. Another thing.
lol Is it possible to have bots join random teams? Cause even though you made them walk to sertain teams I had 25 marines against 3 gorges lol
hey Cheese...you're a stud bro. Thanks for all of your hard work on this thing, I know many many of us appreciate what a good job you're doing for a rather 'complex' mod. Keep 'em comin' man!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>Is it possible to have bots join random teams? Cause even though you made them walk to sertain teams I had 25 marines against 3 gorges</b>
Yep I fixed that in my 0.13 version <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
But I noticed a bug in that version with the alien bots not building hives <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I fixced it and a few more things (like evolving to fade/lerk etc) but I haven't released it yet <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
also with the version im working on a lot of alien bots seem to go straight for the enemy command centre and destroy it where the marine bots dont have a clue whats goin on! Although once all the marines died, there were no player spawns left and the game was still playing, i.e. didnt reset to a new round
The alien bots love being gorges, income is super slow... Also they refuse to evolve into higher level classes. Oh, and how come they can do INCREDIBLE damage to an onos with their LMGs? I've never taken such a beating playing with humans.... And they won't build @ waypoints or move to them either <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Maybe this new patch have fixed it though.
The bots should really stick to their orders (there was a bug in a previous version I made though which made them not follow anything...) Also I seemed to have fixed the other bug which didnt make bots use ammo dispensers, well they do now (not released yet though <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->)
cheeseh i'm very impressed, i love bots, and although i don't know how to code them (yet s:]) i have bots for almsot every mod on my HD. Your bot is progressign nicely , and for a mod that's been released for 10 days you did some amazing work, hope you keep working on it s:)
With a nice clicky to the main N-S.org page. And maybe one to this forum <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
There are two different bot files for Natural selection and the other mods so I don't want people downloading the bot I made for the other mods and try to make it work with NS <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> But yea I'll need to updated something in "About" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> But the download page shows the different bot DLLS clearly I hope.
anyone have good waypoints files for this bots <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->?? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
thx and good job <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Comments
Not sure, but is it possible to have the marine bots actively use the ammo dispensor once it is set down? Perhaps something where if they need ammo and they're in the base, they don't constantly yell out that the need ammo but rather go to the dispensor instead? Or if you drop a ammo dispensor in another location and they are near it, they will head to that location, rather than yell out for ammo?
Another suggestion, for the bots that play marines. If two lone marines spot one another and you haven't given them any orders, perhaps have them team up to assist one another.
The same with the aliens, if they are skulks, perhaps have them team up in a similar fashion and attack the same targets?
Thank you for at least considering this.
LS
I've already considered the other things...
Anyway haven't worked on more yet, been asleepy and my PC fans are making annoying noises now for some reason grrrrr...... I bet it's the PSU my last PSU did that and thats why I got this one, it doesnt even last a few leasly months <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
>Made bots choose a team without having to wander around readyroom.
>Fixed a bug where bots couldn't use ammo dispensers.
>Bots will defend things now, if they defend players, they will follow them.
>Fixed a bug where aliens will build too many of one structure.
>Fixed a bug where bots wont try to build structures when they are only partially built.
>Marine bots try to find the hives, Alien bots try to find marine command centers.
<a href='http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pat.murphy/rcbot/rbotns.zip' target='_blank'>Download Here</a> (now version 0.14!)
One more question or request.. I know its been suggested already, but perhaps getting the aliens to try and capture all the hives? Not sure how hard that would be.
Thank you for the additions you've made so far. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
LS
Nice work mate <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> hopefuly your work continues as good it does now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Enjoyed quite much with the bots. *salutes*
It's great to be this close to the development of the bot and be able to test every step of it's evolution.
Well me and my pal played as marines, and found 2 hives... It took some time them to figure how to build hive, maybe they need even more time to build the third one up <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
this is great! GJ!
Keep the updates coming! You're doing nice work here, I love all these small updates.
Always something new to try, and besides with small updates you will more easily be able to filter out the bugs and issues that come with them.
Keep up the work!
Keep Updating and keep up the good work! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I've gotta go try this new release now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
1) Bots still seem to build a bit too many of those darned sensory chambers, is there any way to put a limit on sensory and movement chambers so the bots won't build too many?
But it's still alot better, they don't spam the place with them and build more offence chambers but it's seems there's a 50%/50% chance building sensory or offence chambers.
2) Still more work need to be done with the marine bot waypointing, although it's ALOT better now they still seem to have minor problems sometimes.
3) None of the bots really used an ammo dispencer, I don't know what could be causing this, but... uhm, none of the bots did.
4) If a bot runs out of ammunition with his primary and secondary he pulls out his knife and starts screaming for ammo.
Although if you give him ammo he will keep his knife out and continue screaming for ammo seeing as he won't pick it up.
5) I was playing against 9 alien bots and about 6 of them were in primary hive through the whole game while just a couple acctually went outside the hive to expand, this needs a fix.
And then while you're at it try to make them go together when they first leave.
Ok this was about what I saw that needs a fix for this version on, happy botting! (or whatver you can call it)
to future releases. You can name it after my new NS clan
"FeaR"
I will change my clan name that way I wont be getting in your way.
I dont even think my clan will succeed so screw it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
My first conclusion is there is a really need to be able to make some handcrafted waypoints for each map. OK for "ns_eclipse" I have now some waypoints which seem to be useable, but there are still problems the bots try to jump at the wrong places, fell down and can not get out of this place by themselves. Maybe it is possible to add waypoints where the bots are not allowed to jump.
My second conclusion is bots have to follow orders at highest priority. Everytime when they are fighting they ignore commands to go to a waypoint or build a structure. This caused problems because sometimes they weren't be able to hit the enemies (and the enemies couldn't hit my marines) from a specific position. But they tried to kill the enemies all the time ignboring my commands. I had to jump off the command center and kill the enemies by myself from a different position to "free" the soldiers.
I think to follow commands at the highest priority is the most important thing. If you think the time is right please add the possibility to make predefined waypoints, but they should always be able to learn, with information like "button", "don't jump here", "ladder", "don't shoot from here find another place", etc.
Maybe it is a good idea to look at the Sturmbot for DoD. It tries to learn from his mistakes.
But as I mentioned some posts before: Step by step <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
My "ns_eclipse" waypoint can be downloaded <a href='http://www.franks-planet.de/fp/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=6' target='_blank'>here</a>.
Eclipse is my fav level in this mod, and its also the first map I played
with these bots on. Another thing.
lol
Is it possible to have bots join random teams? Cause even though you
made them walk to sertain teams I had 25 marines against 3 gorges
lol
made them walk to sertain teams I had 25 marines against 3 gorges</b>
Yep I fixed that in my 0.13 version <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
But I noticed a bug in that version with the alien bots not building hives <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I fixced it and a few more things (like evolving to fade/lerk etc) but I haven't released it yet <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
also with the version im working on a lot of alien bots seem to go straight for the enemy command centre and destroy it where the marine bots dont have a clue whats goin on! Although once all the marines died, there were no player spawns left and the game was still playing, i.e. didnt reset to a new round
Oh, and how come they can do INCREDIBLE damage to an onos with their LMGs? I've never taken such a beating playing with humans....
And they won't build @ waypoints or move to them either <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Maybe this new patch have fixed it though.
You also need to update your website alittle with the "about" page
This bot supports
Rocket Crowbar
Half-life deathmatch
Deathmatch Classic
Natural-Selection
With a nice clicky to the main N-S.org page. And maybe one to this forum <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->