Cal Interview Discussion
That_Annoying_Kid
Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
okay, so zunni and head honcho from cal got to talking and they got to post there talking for us to see.
At the end, they say competitive play is the upper echelon of NS, focusing less on herding and more on working together to win.
And it's so true, the little taste I had of competitive play was a blast, not having to worry about helping people out, explaning how the game works, just hardcore teamwork h4x to the max with people you've played NS with for some time.
If your thinking about making a clan with a bunch of friends, do it, if your already in a clan, more power to you, if you don't have the time for all that just hang around in the pug channel and check that out, pugging is a fun way to kill some time and improve.
The amount of improvement that you get from clanning is inane, it's all about picking up the little tricks to NS that really help. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyone have any other thoughts on the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86381' target='_blank'>interview</a>?
At the end, they say competitive play is the upper echelon of NS, focusing less on herding and more on working together to win.
And it's so true, the little taste I had of competitive play was a blast, not having to worry about helping people out, explaning how the game works, just hardcore teamwork h4x to the max with people you've played NS with for some time.
If your thinking about making a clan with a bunch of friends, do it, if your already in a clan, more power to you, if you don't have the time for all that just hang around in the pug channel and check that out, pugging is a fun way to kill some time and improve.
The amount of improvement that you get from clanning is inane, it's all about picking up the little tricks to NS that really help. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyone have any other thoughts on the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86381' target='_blank'>interview</a>?
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My goal was to simply inform those with Clans already formed but not yet in competitive play that CAL is starting for another season, and perhaps to direct a few of those players who are interested in clan play to a place where they can learn more about it...
That is all... Information = tasty...
I may have been beated by 9 minutes, but my slant is different from <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->sums up why clan play will always eclipse public play and why this game should be balanced, moreso than it already is, for clan play, and not the focus fading, redemp onosing, spawn camping stat **** noobs that populate the lvl 200 combat servers" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was simply opening up a place where people could comment on what they had just read, and my slant on the matter isn't "balance the game for clanners and not the noobs in the moded co servers" it's "If you haven't tried out clanning, and want to get better, I did it for a bit and it was the most fun and challenge I've gotten out of NS, and if I didn't have a POS connection/comp I would be up in the muhs
and yes zunni, info is tasty
Alot of people think that NS should be balanced for either strictly Pubs or Clans, but why does it have to be one or the other. NS is a team based game, more so than ony other mod. So it is a bit more clan friendly, and more difficult for pubs to learn. But it is not impossible to have team work on a pub, though the introduction of CO severly damaged the team work aspect of NS (I base this off personal experience, and have been playing since 1.03) Since CO did not require team work, it sadly spilled over into NS. This caused Classic maps to become unbalanced, since the players join were basing their playing off of CO maps. Unfortunately CO, which orginally was supposed to help by acting as a "in between" for other mods to NS, failed to accomplise it's goal. While I know CO is hear to stay (unfortunately) I do not believe it is wise to balance them together. Instead of balancing every thing for Pubs or Clans, I think it would be better to balance CO for Pubs, since team work is not required, and Classic for competitive play.
As for the differences from Clan play and Pub play, they quite different, but both have their merits (Though I hate pubs anymore). In pubs you have people coming and going as the please, or if they think the are losing, they f4. Thi makes Pub games HIGHLY unpredictable. Here is an example I had from the other day
Map - Veil
Teams - 7 v 7
Comm - Me
We had manages to lock down Pipeline, and the aliens had Sub and Cargo. He make an assult through overlook, which successed and we take pipeline from them. We take out all but cargo's RT from the aliens, and move in for the kill. I tell my team to move in to Cargo and attack. I see the first 2 of my team reach the hive, to of my clan mates. I tell them to wait for the other 3. While waiting, the gett rushed by the aliens, one dies, the other fights them off. Still no sign of the 3 pubers. Suddenly I get a call for orders. THis confused me, because I already said attack Cargo, and we had all the RTs on the map. So I go to who asked for orders, and I find my 3 missing guys, in base (They had JPs and HMGs, and there wasa PG up to cargo at this point) I told them once again to go through the phasegate, and the told me, they do not need to, the other 2 will deal with it.. A person joins, and joins aliens just then, so it is now 2 of my guys against 8 aliens. one of mine gets mad and leaves. Suddenly I have on guy to fight 8 aliens. Suddenly sub comes under attack. turns out they did not build all the turrets in there. I asked them to go defend the hive, the refused and well lose the hive. Shortly afterwards Pipeline comes under attack, still they will not go. And now my 3 guys realize that Friendly Fire is on, so the have a knife fight. A few mins later they all die....from a xeno attack. We went form a garunteed win, to having 4 onos charge into base with 3 hives. I have not played a pub game since.
To me this was a slap in the face, my team had the aliens on the run, but they ran off to play around in MS. NOw while I do not have any good stories from CAL (we do not have a good record at the moment) I have no problem losing hter, as that every member of my team worked together to try to win. we did not lose because of any one person When the commander gives an order, the marines follow it. And I know many think NS is marine bais, but that is because in pubs it is not played the way it was ment to. Rarely do you see a skulk charge right at you, he waits until you are not look and attacks. Or if you doo see a skulk carging at you, it is only because his clanmates are sneaking up behind you. And you rarely see a lone marine, they travel in groups, or dare I sat it... Squads. You see that easy target building a RT? you rush up to kill him, and there you are staring down his team mates LMG or pistol. It is a lot more orgainzed in Clan play
My friend is like 'Damn straight I'm "leet", I'm CAL IM'
I proceeded to explain that just because your clan is CAL IM, that doesn't make you any better than the CAL O people.
@_@
It sounds like you dont even play ns with CAL-ns players. Last I checked, ns players are much less a bunch of **** than CAL-cs players.
Productive, non-condesending posts like this really make people motivated to re-evaluate themselves, and see what to change.
I applaud this author for his informative, beautifully written, really useful post
Thank me for my time?
no sir, thank YOU, for YOUR TIME
While I will admit there are some CAL players who have that atitude, they are the exception, not the rule. Even before I join CAL, when my clan was just a guild really, I never passed up a chance to learn from Omega and Delta clans. I found that the majority of them are very nice people, who you just have to ask and they will give you advice.
Now your post gives a insight into you personality. You are an elteist by what you type. From your wording I can tell that on the server you are playing on, you assume you are the best player. So when a CAL player comes in, especially those in a Delta clan, you assume that they have to be cheating in some way, thefore instead of taking an opportunity to learn and improve, you instead looked down on them, most likely accusing them of hacking, and if you had admin, possibly banning them too. This in return causes the CAL players to gain a attitude, since every time they get a kill, the have to defend them selves against people calling them hackers and ban threats.
As for serious therapy - since you have anger problems, evident from the fact that you want to take a 9-iron to all CAL players faces over a video game, I recommend you seek out some immedately
Stereotypes = everyone loses...
While some CAL players are certainly this way, and clan players do love their drama, some/most are trying to fight these issues.
There is one simple answer, join a clan and set a better example, that's what I've always tried to do <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If the number of "non-jerks" outnumber and speak more loudly than the jerks, then I suspect the public perception would change.
My 2 cents.
Congradulations! You have made a hysterical post bent on the continued seperation between the CAL players and pub players of NS! You may or may not know, but a good number of CAL players that play in public servers end up getting banned for "cheating", "hacking", "OMG NOOB GO ELSEWHERE" and the sorts. It's not very fun at all for <i>me</i> to join a server for entertainment and get riddiculed, slapped, kicked, banned, have my cfg edited from server admins because I play Natural Selection better then them. It annoys me that I can't have fun with everyone else because some people (which you seem to be) are on a path of loonicy trying to get every one of us removed from every server that you play on. I'm sorry that some of us feel a little bitter when someone yells out at every kill "WTH OMG", "HOW DID HE KNOW I WAS THERE", "WALLHACKER", "AIMBOTTER"; if you were as good as some players that play Natural Selection and get slapped, kicked, banned and had your cfg edited and buttons unbinded, you'd get kinda mad too.
Know both sides to each arguement before you throw out OMG **** out there.
It seems to <i>me</i> that competitive players are amongst the most laid back and well-adjusted groups playing NS.
<i>Personally</i>, I find time on the constie b6 servers often painful because of the behavior of the players there.
I'm sure a number of people would disagree with me. Which means my experience isn't valid for them and their experience isn't valid for me, nothing more, nothing less. It's good to see not one, but two threads full of useless though.
ultranewb, check your PMs, please. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
While I will admit there are some CAL players who have that atitude, they are the exception, not the rule. Even before I join CAL, when my clan was just a guild really, I never passed up a chance to learn from Omega and Delta clans. I found that the majority of them are very nice people, who you just have to ask and they will give you advice.
Now your post gives a insight into you personality. You are an elteist by what you type. From your wording I can tell that on the server you are playing on, you assume you are the best player. So when a CAL player comes in, especially those in a Delta clan, you assume that they have to be cheating in some way, thefore instead of taking an opportunity to learn and improve, you instead looked down on them, most likely accusing them of hacking, and if you had admin, possibly banning them too. This in return causes the CAL players to gain a attitude, since every time they get a kill, the have to defend them selves against people calling them hackers and ban threats.
As for serious therapy - since you have anger problems, evident from the fact that you want to take a 9-iron to all CAL players faces over a video game, I recommend you seek out some immedately <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you are way off. I know I'm not that good. I play for fun. But there's the occasion where I will join a pub server and a guy who says he's from CAL will be there and he'll see me use clips upon clips worth of ammo and not kill a simple gorge or skulk and he'll say, "OMG! WTH NOOB! LEARN HOW TO PLAY! GOD FORGET IT JUST LEAVE! YOU SUCK!" all serioius like too. this BS is what im talking about. I play to have fun and this guy who thinks he's all that kills it for me. many CAL have given me the same treatment. Thats where im coming from. I dont think im good. I'll go as far as to say I know how to play with my team AS a team. but thats it.
...and I like my anger issues. so buzz off.
While I will admit there are some CAL players who have that atitude, they are the exception, not the rule. Even before I join CAL, when my clan was just a guild really, I never passed up a chance to learn from Omega and Delta clans. I found that the majority of them are very nice people, who you just have to ask and they will give you advice.
Now your post gives a insight into you personality. You are an elteist by what you type. From your wording I can tell that on the server you are playing on, you assume you are the best player. So when a CAL player comes in, especially those in a Delta clan, you assume that they have to be cheating in some way, thefore instead of taking an opportunity to learn and improve, you instead looked down on them, most likely accusing them of hacking, and if you had admin, possibly banning them too. This in return causes the CAL players to gain a attitude, since every time they get a kill, the have to defend them selves against people calling them hackers and ban threats.
As for serious therapy - since you have anger problems, evident from the fact that you want to take a 9-iron to all CAL players faces over a video game, I recommend you seek out some immedately <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you are way off. I know I'm not that good. I play for fun. But there's the occasion where I will join a pub server and a guy who says he's from CAL will be there and he'll see me use clips upon clips worth of ammo and not kill a simple gorge or skulk and he'll say, "OMG! WTH NOOB! LEARN HOW TO PLAY! GOD FORGET IT JUST LEAVE! YOU SUCK!" all serioius like too. this BS is what im talking about. I play to have fun and this guy who thinks he's all that kills it for me. many CAL have given me the same treatment. Thats where im coming from. I dont think im good. I'll go as far as to say I know how to play with my team AS a team. but thats it.
...and I like my anger issues. so buzz off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
then he's not from CAL. I don't know of a single CAL ns player that would yell at other people because they can't aim.
I too have never seen such behavior.
There are only around 30 clans and they would never brag about being in CAL no matter how good they are. List here:
<a href='http://www.caleague.com/?division=nso' target='_blank'>http://www.caleague.com/?division=nso</a>
It's a very short list. Check first.
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Funny, I have.....
But tis not the point, this is an important statement that needs to be said.
There are jerks in both communities Pub and Clan. The problem is the Clan jerks say/do things that often make them memorable long after the game is over and have a flashy icon or a really intricate name. For example on a server last night, a smurfing "NSPlayer" that could bhop very well, and had obviously spent alot of time playing this game (I think I know who you are BTW) went onos in a 3 on 3 game.. Just to be lame... Once a pub jerk has left the game, it's fairly easy to forget what that person did...
Point is that's what the other pubbers who played with me last night will remember.. Not that they played with a dev and had fun. Not that I explained a few things about the game.. Just the "jerk" who made them miserable.
Let me speak from experience, I joined competitive play and was an average player going 20-5 and 5-20 every other game. I met some tremendous friends and still have people from those days that I talk to almost daily (hello FFT and specifically Cartman2b). THIS is the point of clanning. Not winning, not being the best, it's finding 6-10 people that you connect with and enjoy spending time with.
Plus competitive games do help your skill. Naxo is right, play to enjoy playing in a more controlled environment when you can guarantee no res-whoring and no unintended/badly placed chambers. Even from that perspective the game can be less frustrating at times...
Anyway, again my 2 cents...
I too have never seen such behavior. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like Zunni said, I have as well. Two in fact, both not surprisingly from my team, though they didn't limit their... 'critism' to just pubbers, in fact I think they reserve such critism more for competitive players than pubbers. However, those two have been gone for a while, one was cut/left, the other couldn't handle the drama he drew to himself and imploded. So unless you are talking about someone new, Vincent, the competitive scene is constantly changing.
Plus, bragging about being in CAL is pretty redundant. Anyone can be in CAL if they choose to be. It's like going in a Counter-Strike pub and saying, "Hey guys, I'm in Cal-O and I'm uber!" You only get laughed at, so you may be stretching your imagination a bit. Either that or it was someone smurfing as a competitive player trying to add gasoline into the fire. You must realize there's a lot of people like that in the public scene as well, moreso than the competitive scene from what I have seen.
Productive, non-condesending posts like this really make people motivated to re-evaluate themselves, and see what to change.
I applaud this author for his informative, beautifully written, really useful post
Thank me for my time?
no sir, thank YOU, for YOUR TIME <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the world will now explode because i just agreed with firewater.
although his post is not XML compliant. he forgot his </sarcasm> tag.
vincent also forgot his </idiocy> tag but that's assumed to be present unless the doctype states that we're using forum-XML strict.
I too have never seen such behavior. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like Zunni said, I have as well. Two in fact, both not surprisingly from my team, though they didn't limit their... 'critism' to just pubbers, in fact I think they reserve such critism more for competitive players than pubbers. However, those two have been gone for a while, one was cut/left, the other couldn't handle the drama he drew to himself and imploded. So unless you are talking about someone new, Vincent, the competitive scene is constantly changing.
Plus, bragging about being in CAL is pretty redundant. Anyone can be in CAL if they choose to be. It's like going in a Counter-Strike pub and saying, "Hey guys, I'm in Cal-O and I'm uber!" You only get laughed at, so you may be stretching your imagination a bit. Either that or it was someone smurfing as a competitive player trying to add gasoline into the fire. You must realize there's a lot of people like that in the public scene as well, moreso than the competitive scene from what I have seen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No offense but can we really count porcha and forlorn?
Ask 90% of people on this board to name 1 person from a clan, and the first person that will come to mind... Forlorn....
Ask 90% of people on this board to name 1 person from a clan, and the first person that will come to mind... Forlorn.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And people wonder why not many people like competative players...
then he's not from CAL. I don't know of a single CAL ns player that would yell at other people because they can't aim. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey. I do it all the time, so shut up. I however have never said "LAWL LORK AT ME I R IN CAL!". After all, the only requirement to join the <b>Cyberathletes Amateur League</b> is to find 5 people (plus yourself) with a pulse and an internet connection.