<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Nov 15 2004, 07:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Nov 15 2004, 07:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just defending their homeland. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Most of the insurgents are from other countries.
the ogrish.com clips are even better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> and yeah. they made full spectrum warrior pretty realistic according to those vids
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Nov 15 2004, 07:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Nov 15 2004, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One thing I don't get is if the whole city is evacuated and they are just blowing buildings up, is why don't they just bomb it? Either way they're going to destroy a whole lot of buildings. I'm guessing it has something to do with image. Evil bombing Americans vs freedom fighting soldiers? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not sure if the city is totally evacuated. To clear a area like a city with air bombing, they would need to totally destroy every single houses, to totally devastate the city and this could be extremely expensive and ennemies could still survive in shelters. If soldiers establish a perimeter around a area and clear systematically every houses while pushing in, it is much harder for ennemy to flee the "trap" than surviving a air bombing and there is way less civilian casualties and destroyed houses.
I've heard in the news that the ennemy is now isolated and that there is more resistance, the only reason why there is more resistance is because they cannot pull back anymore, they are traped, and doomed because they have absolutely no extern logistic support so they will soon be out of ammunition. The rebels are mostly wasting their ammunition with blind fire, they are far from being well-trained warriors. The only thing theyre good at is exploding themselves in the middle of innocent people to kill 1 or 2 ennemy soldiers.
<!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Nov 15 2004, 06:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Nov 15 2004, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> would be cool if it were fiction... I can't get over how young the soldiers are, and how much joy they get from snuffing out the lives of people who've probably lived twice as long as them and who're just defending their homeland. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thats how life is get over it humans kill other humans <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *kills Chrono*
<!--QuoteBegin-JediYoshi+Nov 15 2004, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JediYoshi @ Nov 15 2004, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Nov 15 2004, 06:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Nov 15 2004, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> would be cool if it were fiction... I can't get over how young the soldiers are, and how much joy they get from snuffing out the lives of people who've probably lived twice as long as them and who're just defending their homeland. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thats how life is get over it humans kill other humans <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *kills Chrono*
zing <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i thought you would have known by now.... (most of the people on NS customization know this) im a zombie i cannot die , i do not sleep , i do not eat.....
/me sucker punchs jedi yoshi while distracting him!
How does five hundred billion dollars a year on US military sound to you? It's true. I'm surprised they don't have mind-controlled bullets, icon curtains and cloning facilities on Pluto.
in reference to the evauation question/ who are we killing question: There have been reports in varaious news media that no males between the ages of 15 and 55 have been allowed to leave the city. <a href='http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1309252004' target='_blank'>The Scotsman</a> <a href='http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/14/0448255' target='_blank'>InfoShop</a> <a href='http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=54568&d=16&m=11&y=2004' target='_blank'>Arab News</a> <a href='http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/09/MNGSV9OEED1.DTL' target='_blank'>San Fransico Chronicle</a>
thought i should put my sopurces up before i get nailed to the wall on that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Nov 15 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Nov 15 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just saw a video on fox news where they found a wounded sniper in a mosque and a marine shot him
(kind of offtopic but its on the fallujah topic) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea I saw that too....Better him than a US soldier, as I see it.
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<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> would be cool if it were fiction... I can't get over how young the soldiers are, and how much joy they get from snuffing out the lives of people who've probably lived twice as long as them and who're just defending their homeland. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Defending their homeland, huh?
I wonder how they feel about the fact that they've been led by a maniacal **** of a President over there, who isn't from Iraq at all. Or the fact that as said, many aren't from Iraq. And that almost all of them are in fact NOT DOING THIS TO DEFEND THEIR HOMELAND, but to do as the training camps, schools, and different things have tought them: Americans and the White man are spawns of the devil himself, all of us Jewish, and wanting to reign the world in Judaism's sinning ways.
<!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Nov 15 2004, 09:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Nov 15 2004, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-JediYoshi+Nov 15 2004, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JediYoshi @ Nov 15 2004, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Nov 15 2004, 06:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Nov 15 2004, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Nov 15 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> would be cool if it were fiction... I can't get over how young the soldiers are, and how much joy they get from snuffing out the lives of people who've probably lived twice as long as them and who're just defending their homeland. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thats how life is get over it humans kill other humans <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *kills Chrono*
zing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i thought you would have known by now.... (most of the people on NS customization know this) im a zombie i cannot die , i do not sleep , i do not eat.....
/me sucker punchs jedi yoshi while distracting him!
ZING! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No wonder u can make some many models. Now go program a linux server for me, here's a 1000 page textbook on how to do so.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Nov 16 2004, 03:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Nov 16 2004, 03:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder how they feel about the fact that they've been led by a maniacal **** of a President over there, who isn't from Iraq at all. Or the fact that as said, many aren't from Iraq. And that almost all of them are in fact NOT DOING THIS TO DEFEND THEIR HOMELAND, but to do as the training camps, schools, and different things have tought them: Americans and the White man are spawns of the devil himself, all of us Jewish, and wanting to reign the world in Judaism's sinning ways.
Homeland my ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its a mistake to underestimate an enemy, and your baseless assertions that almost all of the insurgents in Iraq are fighting because of some senseless brainwashing about good versus evil not only overlooks the actual 'human' reasons these people are willing to fight an enemy with superior man and gun power, it also writes them off as being 'crazy' and helpfully allows us to compleatly ignore the whole thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/14/0448255+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/14/0448255)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->From the footage coming out of Fallujah, the method of “searching” by the American troops is to hurl grenades and pour machine gun fire into houses before entering. Every male found alive is being dragged away, bound and hooded, to detention centres.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've seen videos of marines doing just that. Like I said before, if you're going to kill everyone in the city why not just bomb it? And the 500-billion budget helps make those extra few bombs.
edit: don't really want to derail but reading the (independent) news these days, it seems to me that the coalition soldiers are just shooting everyone and calling the dead insurgents.
I wonder how they feel about the fact that they've been led by a maniacal **** of a President over there, who isn't from Iraq at all. Or the fact that as said, many aren't from Iraq. And that almost all of them are in fact NOT DOING THIS TO DEFEND THEIR HOMELAND, but to do as the training camps, schools, and different things have tought them: Americans and the White man are spawns of the devil himself, all of us Jewish, and wanting to reign the world in Judaism's sinning ways.
Homeland my ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well I don't really want to debate this since it's been beaten to death in threads across these forums, but about half of this country thinks we're being led by a maniacal **** too... and the trained hatred is two ways... as for the homeland thing - I honestly don't know what % of the insurgents are from Iraq, but wherever they're from, they're obviously not fighting because it's fun. Whether they're Iraqis or from neighboring countries, they're fighting because they don't think the US belongs there, and on that, I tend to agree with them.
version 91x: i suggest you look into the russian approach in Groznyy 1998. secondly the labeling of the dead as insurgents is one of the common practicies in anti insurgent/ guerilla warfare. for aan example regarding the americans look at Vietnam.
I hate the United States of America. I would **** on their flag all day if I had all the fluid possible held in my kidneys. I repeat. I hate the United States of America.
gneralas you realy have no idea whats going on in the world? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ill try and some things up
1) america is at war with iraq 2) we took baghdad and now are taking other smaller towns 3) fallujah is a town/village/city in iraq 4) according to intelligence it is a major insurgence base of operations 5) insurgence are bad guys 6) those are marines fighting the insurgence 7) those are marines winning <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> 8) that is america having fun at war 9) i cant think of a number 9 so ill just say hl2 is coming out in 1 hour 32 min 10) now you cant say there is only 1 thread on the OT forum that is not about hl2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-confused!+Nov 16 2004, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (confused! @ Nov 16 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> version 91x: i suggest you look into the russian approach in Groznyy 1998. secondly the labeling of the dead as insurgents is one of the common practicies in anti insurgent/ guerilla warfare. for aan example regarding the americans look at Vietnam. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well I was hoping that in this day and age people would be honest. "Yes we killed a lot of citizens" would IMO do a lot more good for the region than lying and breeding a new generation of terrorists :/
Chrono, "a lot" is two words. This is the fifth time (I have seen you misspell it) mister.
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Most of the insurgents are from other countries.
and yeah. they made full spectrum warrior pretty realistic according to those vids
I'm not sure if the city is totally evacuated. To clear a area like a city with air bombing, they would need to totally destroy every single houses, to totally devastate the city and this could be extremely expensive and ennemies could still survive in shelters. If soldiers establish a perimeter around a area and clear systematically every houses while pushing in, it is much harder for ennemy to flee the "trap" than surviving a air bombing and there is way less civilian casualties and destroyed houses.
I've heard in the news that the ennemy is now isolated and that there is more resistance, the only reason why there is more resistance is because they cannot pull back anymore, they are traped, and doomed because they have absolutely no extern logistic support so they will soon be out of ammunition. The rebels are mostly wasting their ammunition with blind fire, they are far from being well-trained warriors. The only thing theyre good at is exploding themselves in the middle of innocent people to kill 1 or 2 ennemy soldiers.
thats how life is get over it humans kill other humans <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*kills Chrono*
zing
thats how life is get over it humans kill other humans <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*kills Chrono*
zing <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i thought you would have known by now.... (most of the people on NS customization know this) im a zombie i cannot die , i do not sleep , i do not eat.....
/me sucker punchs jedi yoshi while distracting him!
ZING!
It's true.
I'm surprised they don't have mind-controlled bullets, icon curtains and cloning facilities on Pluto.
<a href='http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1309252004' target='_blank'>The Scotsman</a>
<a href='http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/14/0448255' target='_blank'>InfoShop</a>
<a href='http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=54568&d=16&m=11&y=2004' target='_blank'>Arab News</a>
<a href='http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/09/MNGSV9OEED1.DTL' target='_blank'>San Fransico Chronicle</a>
thought i should put my sopurces up before i get nailed to the wall on that.
(kind of offtopic but its on the fallujah topic)
(kind of offtopic but its on the fallujah topic) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yea I saw that too....Better him than a US soldier, as I see it.
but what oliver north said is very true (with the whole media making a huge deal out of it and forgeting everything else)
Defending their homeland, huh?
I wonder how they feel about the fact that they've been led by a maniacal **** of a President over there, who isn't from Iraq at all. Or the fact that as said, many aren't from Iraq. And that almost all of them are in fact NOT DOING THIS TO DEFEND THEIR HOMELAND, but to do as the training camps, schools, and different things have tought them: Americans and the White man are spawns of the devil himself, all of us Jewish, and wanting to reign the world in Judaism's sinning ways.
Homeland my ****.
thats how life is get over it humans kill other humans <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*kills Chrono*
zing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i thought you would have known by now.... (most of the people on NS customization know this) im a zombie i cannot die , i do not sleep , i do not eat.....
/me sucker punchs jedi yoshi while distracting him!
ZING! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No wonder u can make some many models. Now go program a linux server for me, here's a 1000 page textbook on how to do so.
Homeland my ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its a mistake to underestimate an enemy, and your baseless assertions that almost all of the insurgents in Iraq are fighting because of some senseless brainwashing about good versus evil not only overlooks the actual 'human' reasons these people are willing to fight an enemy with superior man and gun power, it also writes them off as being 'crazy' and helpfully allows us to compleatly ignore the whole thing.
I've seen videos of marines doing just that. Like I said before, if you're going to kill everyone in the city why not just bomb it? And the 500-billion budget helps make those extra few bombs.
edit: don't really want to derail but reading the (independent) news these days, it seems to me that the coalition soldiers are just shooting everyone and calling the dead insurgents.
I wonder how they feel about the fact that they've been led by a maniacal **** of a President over there, who isn't from Iraq at all. Or the fact that as said, many aren't from Iraq. And that almost all of them are in fact NOT DOING THIS TO DEFEND THEIR HOMELAND, but to do as the training camps, schools, and different things have tought them: Americans and the White man are spawns of the devil himself, all of us Jewish, and wanting to reign the world in Judaism's sinning ways.
Homeland my ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well I don't really want to debate this since it's been beaten to death in threads across these forums, but about half of this country thinks we're being led by a maniacal **** too... and the trained hatred is two ways... as for the homeland thing - I honestly don't know what % of the insurgents are from Iraq, but wherever they're from, they're obviously not fighting because it's fun. Whether they're Iraqis or from neighboring countries, they're fighting because they don't think the US belongs there, and on that, I tend to agree with them.
hope i can be there soon.
ill try and some things up
1) america is at war with iraq
2) we took baghdad and now are taking other smaller towns
3) fallujah is a town/village/city in iraq
4) according to intelligence it is a major insurgence base of operations
5) insurgence are bad guys
6) those are marines fighting the insurgence
7) those are marines winning <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
8) that is america having fun at war
9) i cant think of a number 9 so ill just say hl2 is coming out in 1 hour 32 min
10) now you cant say there is only 1 thread on the OT forum that is not about hl2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well I was hoping that in this day and age people would be honest. "Yes we killed a lot of citizens" would IMO do a lot more good for the region than lying and breeding a new generation of terrorists :/
Chrono, "a lot" is two words. This is the fifth time (I have seen you misspell it) mister.