Poor Performance

SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">from an 9800 pro</div> I've had my powercolor 9800 pro for a couple of months now. But this happend earlier.

I have heard alot about flashing a pro to a XT so i wanted to try it. I clocked my card to the XT speeds then checked after artifacts in 3dmark, nothing showed up.
Then I found a guide how to flash the and the tools i needed.
After I had flashed it seemed to be ok, everithing showed up correctly and the windows device manager said it was an XT.
I noticed it was running quite hot when i played games like CS:S or Doom 3 (I could feel some warmth outside the case where the card was).

I went on a LAN and my friend had: a geforce4 TI 128mb, 1gb RAM and 2.4ghz intel p4. While i had 3.0ghz intel p4, 1 gb RAM and my 9800 pro. We tried to max all settings in CS:S then see the results (vertical sync was off). We tried both maps and stress test. He had around 20fps or higher. While I had a nearly constant 10fps. And an other guy which had a 9600XT performed better too. Tried different drivers it didn't work.

I dident really see any difference from when it was a pro or XT. So i tried some other XT bios from another site (i overwrote my original pro bios during flashing by mistake). When they were in I had lots of bugs and colorful stripes. So i immidetly restarted and went back with the old XT bios. No problems during bootup. I DLed pro bios and flashed them in. Same crappy 10fps.

I kept those pro bios until now when i found a flash bios editor and clocked down the XT bios to pro speeds. No noticeble warmth, but the fps stayed at 10.

An other guy told me i had oc damaged my card, but I have almost the same 3dmark score as others with the same card and with better CPUs.

So now im here and wonder if any of you have any idea of what might be the problem?

Comments

  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    List the rest of your system components. I have a 9800 Pro in my older system, but you wouldn't know it by the performance. The problem is that it's running in 4x AGP with PC133 RAM and a 1.6GHz P4. The rest of the system is just too slow to see any real performance gain from the fast video card; I do get nice IQ bonuses (running newer games with shaders and such - turning all the stuff on doesn't really affect performance because it's so slow already), but that's clearly not what I wanted.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Um, you didn't like set fps_max to 10 instead of 100 did you...
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    It sounds like you're low on AGP fluid.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    The 9600XT is throwing me for a loop a little, I can't figure out why it would run better, but in comparision to the old Geforce, keep in mind that the old card is only rendering PS 1.0 and a maximum of Direct X 8. It simply isn't using up nearly as much resourses on bumpmapping and other shadeing functions that signifigantly fry preformance when running full specs on a higher level card.

    If you put down your direct X level to the highest capable level of the geforce4 TI, it should at least reach comparable frame rates (athough it is optimized for better preformance with higher functions enabled)
  • Dr_ShaggyDr_Shaggy Join Date: 2002-09-26 Member: 1340Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO]Them+Nov 10 2004, 07:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO]Them @ Nov 10 2004, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It sounds like you're low on AGP fluid. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Haha,
    "This 3d video accelerator need 2.1 gigabytes per second of bandwidth, STAT!"
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    CPU and ram is in my first post but i can list some other things.

    My MB has 800Mhz system bus and supports 8x agp, im also running sp1 need any other info?

    if it's low on AGP fluid how do i fix it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ?
  • CreepieCreepie Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13734Members
    You can check in your BIOS I guess what AGP level it available to the card. I think the ATI control centre thingy will also tell you what the card is actually using.
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited November 2004
    I don't get it, I have a Sapphire 9800pro in an Athlon 2500+ with 512mb of RAM and I get 50 average fps in the stress test and 50-60 in CS:S.

    Try stealing somebody elses 9800 and see if its your system bottlenecking it somewhow or your cards just aflame.

    edit Garf early morning pre-coffee posts for the lose /edit
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Try disable your sound card, i've seen that many times before. Try remove it completely.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    That's new, but i'll try it thanks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ATI control panel says it runs at 8x AGP, but at bios it says radeon 9800 XT AGP (0x4E4A)
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    It just hit me, i dont have a soundcard it's intergrated.

    Edit: And disabling the sound drivers didn't work (via device manager).
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Nov 12 2004, 01:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Nov 12 2004, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It just hit me, i dont have a soundcard it's intergrated. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That can't be good.
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    Try disabling it completely in the BIOS or via jumpers on your mobo.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    It didn't work either, disabled sound via bios.

    A new finding under properties-->Card Type: PCI-buss 1, device 0, function 0

    Should it really be PCI? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Edit: My motherboard <a href='http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-8IPE1000-G.htm' target='_blank'>Clicky</a> .
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    his TI card runs in Directx 8 while yours runs in direct x 9
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kuperaye+Nov 12 2004, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Nov 12 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> his TI card runs in Directx 8 while yours runs in direct x 9 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ya, I kindof made that point earler as well.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Nov 13 2004, 12:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Nov 13 2004, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kuperaye+Nov 12 2004, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Nov 12 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> his TI card runs in Directx 8 while yours runs in direct x 9 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ya, I kindof made that point earler as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ok I understand that but that other guy had a 9600XT which runs 9x right?
    And others with a 9800pro seem to run better too.

    Hm when I install a driver should i use the C2, CX or C9 file? (manual install)
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited November 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Nov 13 2004, 08:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Nov 13 2004, 08:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Nov 13 2004, 12:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Nov 13 2004, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kuperaye+Nov 12 2004, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Nov 12 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> his TI card runs in Directx 8 while yours runs in direct x 9 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ya, I kindof made that point earler as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ok I understand that but that other guy had a 9600XT which runs 9x right?
    And others with a 9800pro seem to run better too.

    Hm when I install a driver should i use the C2, CX or C9 file? (manual install) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ya, but when comparing 9800pro to a 9600XT small differences in CPU and ram power will mean large differences in FPS preformance. You said already that your friend's TI machine was around the same specs as yours except for the card, well the 9600 is probably in a faster machine. 10 FPS sounds about right for your system with everything maxed out. I only get 15-20 and my CPU is a fair bit chunkier then yours (although I'm limited by DDR333 ram)

    [edit]Just to clarify, I'm running a 9800 pro, 3.17 pentium 4 proc (northwood), and a gig of ram.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    Actualy his were a little crappier then mine dont know exact number thou.

    Maybe it aint the card bugging...

    Thanks for all your help eveyone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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