Should I Laugh Or Cry?

ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
<div class="IPBDescription">I am inclined to laugh</div> Pretty sad when <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=37' target='_blank'>this forum</a> has more action than <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=23' target='_blank'>this one,</a> eh?

How about an official statement from the dev team about what they think of competetive play? That way we could offically kill any devteam moral left of NS clanners.
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  • Jas0Jas0 Join Date: 2003-12-06 Member: 24054Members
    :x that is pretty disgusting :x
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    Clan recruitment forum is moderated by monkeys with no sense of humor, what a surprise its dead.
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    Actually it's moderated by moderators. Half the posts that come through there are server advertisement, several more are just 'we need people in r clan kthx clan name is TIGERZ' and that's the whole of the post. These obviously get deleted. Anything that includes contact information and is readable gets posted.
  • comradecomrade Join Date: 2003-11-30 Member: 23774Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually it's moderated by moderators. Half the posts that come through there are server advertisement, several more are just 'we need people in r clan kthx clan name is TIGERZ' and that's the whole of the post. These obviously get deleted. Anything that includes contact information and is readable gets posted. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What happened to the idea of a clan forum that wasn't just for recruitment?
  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    It's actually pretty cool cuz you can look back in the clan recruitment like all the way back when it started and see some of the old elite ns clans trying to recruit.

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19154' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=19154</a>
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-moomin.+Oct 30 2004, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Oct 30 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually it's moderated by moderators. Half the posts that come through there are server advertisement, several more are just 'we need people in r clan kthx clan name is TIGERZ' and that's the whole of the post. These obviously get deleted. Anything that includes contact information and is readable gets posted. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What happened to the idea of a clan forum that wasn't just for recruitment? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I can imagine the conversation now,

    "Hey maybe we should give the NSClanners a place to chill talk and setup leagues and stuff"
    "Almost a good idea except that we hate clanners, I mean lol what have they ever done for NS\!??"
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    It causes my physical pain to say this, but I agree with Forlorn. I think the CR forum could have a few other purposes that might help people become more interested in clanplay in NS. I thought of these right off the top of my head:

    1) Advertisements for clans needing members. (duh)
    2) PUGs could be planned there, or announced in advance to draw in extra players.
    3) HLTV matches of clan scrims and/or tournaments could be posted there.
    4) It could be merged with the Leauges and Tournaments forum - both see little activity, and the two forums cover somewhat similar topics.
    5) There could be an archive of demos of good matches for people to watch (and the appropriate version files needed to watch them).

    I'm sure the clanners can think if some more (probably better) ideas for what the CR forum should contain.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Oct 30 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 30 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [...]
    I can imagine the conversation now,

    "Hey maybe we should give the NSClanners a place to chill talk and setup leagues and stuff"
    "Almost a good idea except that we hate clanners, I mean lol what have they ever done for NS\!??" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The NS staff recognizes that competitive players have helped NS (and thus its community of both competitive and casual players) in the past. For their assistance, both the staff and the community have expressed their thanks.

    It is my sincere hope that when we "do something for clanners" in the future, you will recognize it, and express your thanks.

    Any more official opinions left to be said are probably better left to staff members other than myself.
  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Dragon_Mech+Oct 30 2004, 07:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Oct 30 2004, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It causes my physical pain to say this, but I agree with Forlorn. I think the CR forum could have a few other purposes that might help people become more interested in clanplay in NS. I thought of these right off the top of my head:

    1) Advertisements for clans needing members. (duh)
    2) PUGs could be planned there, or announced in advance to draw in extra players.
    3) HLTV matches of clan scrims and/or tournaments could be posted there.
    4) It could be merged with the Leauges and Tournaments forum - both see little activity, and the two forums cover somewhat similar topics.
    5) There could be an archive of demos of good matches for people to watch (and the appropriate version files needed to watch them).

    I'm sure the clanners can think if some more (probably better) ideas for what the CR forum should contain. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    2. No pugs are planned in #nspug. It's a lot more effective to do it on the fly then plan it before hand.
    3. This is done in #nspug and #findnsscrim aswell but it would be nice to be posted in some forum on match dates to watch or something like that. Tournaments are already postable in the tournament forum.
    5.You can find some really good demos on www.ampednews.com if you were interested.

    All irc channels are on irc.gamesurge.net
  • LordyLordy Join Date: 2003-10-12 Member: 21627Banned
    edited October 2004
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=65410' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=65410</a>

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27636' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=27636</a>

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24713' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=24713</a>
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jim has Skillz+Oct 30 2004, 10:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim has Skillz @ Oct 30 2004, 10:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dragon_Mech+Oct 30 2004, 07:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Oct 30 2004, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It causes my physical pain to say this, but I agree with Forlorn. I think the CR forum could have a few other purposes that might help people become more interested in clanplay in NS. I thought of these right off the top of my head:

    1) Advertisements for clans needing members. (duh)
    2) PUGs could be planned there, or announced in advance to draw in extra players.
    3) HLTV matches of clan scrims and/or tournaments could be posted there.
    4) It could be merged with the Leauges and Tournaments forum - both see little activity, and the two forums cover somewhat similar topics.
    5) There could be an archive of demos of good matches for people to watch (and the appropriate version files needed to watch them).

    I'm sure the clanners can think if some more (probably better) ideas for what the CR forum should contain. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    2. No pugs are planned in #nspug. It's a lot more effective to do it on the fly then plan it before hand.
    3. This is done in #nspug and #findnsscrim aswell but it would be nice to be posted in some forum on match dates to watch or something like that. Tournaments are already postable in the tournament forum.
    5.You can find some really good demos on www.ampednews.com if you were interested.

    All irc channels are on irc.gamesurge.net <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    He's partially right about demos though, you could discuss them in detail and tactics, whereas everyone hates talking on amped due to it's slowness
  • cheeZcheeZ Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22948Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Oct 30 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 30 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-moomin.+Oct 30 2004, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Oct 30 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually it's moderated by moderators. Half the posts that come through there are server advertisement, several more are just 'we need people in r clan kthx clan name is TIGERZ' and that's the whole of the post. These obviously get deleted. Anything that includes contact information and is readable gets posted. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What happened to the idea of a clan forum that wasn't just for recruitment? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I can imagine the conversation now,

    "Hey maybe we should give the NSClanners a place to chill talk and setup leagues and stuff"
    "Almost a good idea except that we hate clanners, I mean lol what have they ever done for NS\!??" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Is forlorn an i<span style='color:orange'>nsult removed</span>?
    ^^^
    randomlink! <span style='color:orange'>This dictionary link <i>wasn't</i> random by any means. Don't make me edit your post a third time.</span>
  • AlbinoAlbino Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19841Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik_Steele+Oct 30 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ Oct 30 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Oct 30 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 30 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [...]
    I can imagine the conversation now,

    "Hey maybe we should give the NSClanners a place to chill talk and setup leagues and stuff"
    "Almost a good idea except that we hate clanners, I mean lol what have they ever done for NS\!??" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The NS staff recognizes that competitive players have helped NS (and thus its community of both competitive and casual players) in the past. For their assistance, both the staff and the community have expressed their thanks.

    It is my sincere hope that when we "do something for clanners" in the future, you will recognize it, and express your thanks.

    Any more official opinions left to be said are probably better left to staff members other than myself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The forgotten ATI Tournament?
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Oct 30 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually it's moderated by moderators. Half the posts that come through there are server advertisement, several more are just 'we need people in r clan kthx clan name is TIGERZ' and that's the whole of the post. These obviously get deleted. Anything that includes contact information and is readable gets posted. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.nspug.com/showthread.php?threadid=137' target='_blank'>http://www.nspug.com/showthread.php?threadid=137</a>

    When I put that up for approval it was coldbloodedly denied. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    <a href='http://compete.natural-selection.org/' target='_blank'>Proof the NS devs love competetive play</a>
  • NessNess Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10935Members, Reinforced - Onos
    I guess that says something about competitive play. Saving throw?
  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Oct 31 2004, 02:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Oct 31 2004, 02:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://compete.natural-selection.org/' target='_blank'>Proof the NS devs love competetive play</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wasn't criogenics working on that? Whatever happened with that site.
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    Being frankly honest, I see this simply as an attempt to stir up drama...

    Forlorn: I've talked to you extensively in the last two weeks about competitive play, as well as I've belonged to several clans in my NS career..

    FFT
    RR
    GP
    cara (for a short while)
    and now with <a href='http://www.caleague.com/?page=teams&teamid=11382' target='_blank'>obs.</a> (though I haven't played with them for a while.. darn RL)

    So coming out with random statements about how the devs hate competitive play = little bit sad....

    I've got a few things cooking in the next little while to draw more attention to competitive play.

    As for forums to discuss things, there are 2 main areas that seem to lend themselves to clanners quite well.. The 2 strategy forums. And I really think an exclusive clanner forum would ultimately lead to the old vet forums where egos prevailed and common sense was often ditched in exchange for massive flaming..
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Oct 31 2004, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Oct 31 2004, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being frankly honest, I see this simply as an attempt to stir up drama...
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I dunno, he does bring up a point about the forums
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Oct 31 2004, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Oct 31 2004, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being frankly honest, I see this simply as an attempt to stir up drama...

    Forlorn: I've talked to you extensively in the last two weeks about competitive play, as well as I've belonged to several clans in my NS career..

    FFT
    RR
    GP
    cara (for a short while)
    and now with <a href='http://www.caleague.com/?page=teams&teamid=11382' target='_blank'>obs.</a> (though I haven't played with them for a while.. darn RL)

    So coming out with random statements about how the devs hate competitive play = little bit sad....

    I've got a few things cooking in the next little while to draw more attention to competitive play.

    As for forums to discuss things, there are 2 main areas that seem to lend themselves to clanners quite well.. The 2 strategy forums. And I really think an exclusive clanner forum would ultimately lead to the old vet forums where egos prevailed and common sense was often ditched in exchange for massive flaming.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Just because you an I care does not mean that anyone else does. Perhaps instead of dev's I should replace with "Producer"?

    And maybe ego's will prevail - no actually they probably won't, will you please lose the misconception that clanners are different people everyone acts the same regardless of a tag or clanner enviroment.

    It's that kind of attitude though, the idea that clanners can't spell, think right, or just like to flame each other is why the clan scene is dying because it's shunned by half the community and the other half doesn't even know a clan scene exists.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited October 2004
    And of course your tactless, insulting and condensending 6000+ posts on these forums has done nothing to aid our cause. Maybe we should take a poll but i'd put good money that the reason most people on these forums don't like the clan scene is because of <b>you</b>, yes you FORLORN, good job!

    I wish <span style='color:orange'>rest of line edited out</span>
  • crono1crono1 Join Date: 2004-01-20 Member: 25497Members, Constellation
    ns needs bouncy ball grenades.
    and less cheese in maps.
  • exoityexoity Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14620Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    Why do people still <span style='color:orange'>insulting 1st part of post edited out</span>

    But anyway, NSDevs do care about competitive playand as far as the competitive site goes I believe crio was working on it and then vanished?
  • MaDMaxXMaDMaxX Audiophile (NS sound guy) Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11835Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHHHHAAAA.

    Sorry, MrBen, you deserve some <3 for that <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    Speaking of the ATi Tourney... what were the cards that were donated? Is there still a point in competing for them, or has every serious clanner already upgraded to or beyond them?
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+Oct 31 2004, 12:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ Oct 31 2004, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...dignity <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Internet
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    edited October 2004
    ^^^lol NGE

    <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Oct 31 2004, 10:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Oct 31 2004, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Oct 31 2004, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Oct 31 2004, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being frankly honest, I see this simply as an attempt to stir up drama...
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I dunno, he does bring up a point about the forums <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If I was here trying to stir up drama I'd be acting like our resident contributor and playtester
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    I honestly see no point in this entire thread. Forlorn you keep making generalizations "ALL NS DEVS HATE CLANNERS RAWR." Very stereotypical.

    Plus, ever think that people just don't recruit that much on the n-s.org forums? You can just go into various irc channels and find a clan to join (though it would be harder now that the CAL rosters locked.)
  • TorgoTorgo Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11626Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+Oct 31 2004, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ Oct 31 2004, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish someone would just ban you so maybe we could regain some dignity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, it sure did help when they axed Communist With A Gun...

    Mmm...dignity.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Torgo+Oct 31 2004, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Torgo @ Oct 31 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+Oct 31 2004, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ Oct 31 2004, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish someone would just ban you so maybe we could regain some dignity. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, it sure did help when they axed Communist With A Gun...

    Mmm...dignity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    He was one of the better players in the entire community, both personality and skill wise.
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