New Florida Vote Scandal Feared
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<div class="IPBDescription">Embarrassing republican messup...</div> <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm' target='_blank'>BBC News article</a>
It seems that some good Republican operatives have been sending their email to georgewbush.org - the parody site associated with landoverbaptist.org - instead of georgewbush.com.
<a href='http://www.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/' target='_blank'>Emails from the georgewbush.org "catch-all" mailbox</a>
It seems that some good Republican operatives have been sending their email to georgewbush.org - the parody site associated with landoverbaptist.org - instead of georgewbush.com.
<a href='http://www.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/' target='_blank'>Emails from the georgewbush.org "catch-all" mailbox</a>
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Did you know that the US doesn't mean international standards for a democratic voting system? Our vote security <i>is</i> a joke.
Very sad. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> The fate of the planet and countless lives is taken so trivially, something that makes me want the Kharaa to comes and wipe humanity out of existence.
This man has betrayed the trust of the Pennsylvania electorate. I want a freaking governor not some DNC stooge. I hope he reaps what he has sown in the next election. I cannot express how angry I am. I liked him when he worked in Philadelphia as the mayor. He really helped out the city. However as acting Governor of the Dem. Party in PA (screw over everyone else) he has really raised my ire.
Can you tell?
For Pete's sake, I was ready to campaign for several democratic candidates but this **** hole has been using his office as governor to push candidates. PA governors had a long history of representing Pennsylvania and not the parties they belong to. It didn't matter what party they were. They did their jobs and didn't get involved politically beyond what was expected. Rendel is actually using state resources to push the DNC political agenda.
For those of you not in PA I apologize for this little rant. There is a big public outcry at his actions that probably will not reach the national level. If it does, then you can be sure that you will hear me ranting some more.
I just wanted a freaking governor of PA, not a political bullhorn.
I <i>really, really </i>wish all canidates got the exact same funding money for their campaign.
The USA is falling behind the other democratic nations in the world, even while we preach democracy to other nations like Iraq. <i>We're becomming a frikin plutocracy!</i>
I hear you on that angst wizard. Do you agree with what I was just saying?
I really, really wish all canidates got the exact same funding money for their campaign.
The USA is fallign behind the other democratic nations in the world, even while we preach democracy to other nations like Iraq. We're becommign a frikin plutocracy!
I hear you on that angst wizard. Do you agree with what I was just saying? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let me put it this way, I am more than a bit worried when the city of Philadelphia reported 100% voter registration.
WTH is that? I wonder how many Mary Poppins or Kerm Itde Frog will be voting this time around.
edit: ok I am a bit calmer, I just needed to vent a bit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I really, really wish all canidates got the exact same funding money for their campaign.
The USA is fallign behind the other democratic nations in the world, even while we preach democracy to other nations like Iraq. We're becommign a frikin plutocracy!
I hear you on that angst wizard. Do you agree with what I was just saying? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let me put it this way, I am more than a bit worried when the city of Philadelphia reported 100% voter registration.
WTH is that? I wonder how many Mary Poppins or Kerm Itde Frog will be voting this time around.
edit: ok I am a bit calmer, I just needed to vent a bit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
100% voter registration? doubleyou tee eff!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are about 815,000 Franklin County residents older than 18, according to the most recent census estimates, for 2003. As of yesterday, Franklin County Board of Elections officials counted more than 817,000 registered voters, and forms are still coming in at the rate of 8,000 per day as Monday’s registration deadline approaches. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BTW, that BBC article is a joke. He doesn't even bother to explain any of the nuances. Do your own research and you'll be much happier. I have to say again, if those articles represent the news sources in the UK, I pity the Brits.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are about 815,000 Franklin County residents older than 18, according to the most recent census estimates, for 2003. As of yesterday, Franklin County Board of Elections officials counted more than 817,000 registered voters, and forms are still coming in at the rate of 8,000 per day as Monday’s registration deadline approaches. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BTW, that BBC article is a joke. He doesn't even bother to explain any of the nuances. Do your own research and you'll be much happier. I have to say again, if those articles represent the news sources in the UK, I pity the Brits. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah its crazy.
The reason I mentioned the 100% registration rate in Philadelphia is because you know that its going to be used as an anchor for a democratic win in PA. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have slanted PA's demographics far more than actually represents the state.
I would imagine that some Californians also feel the same way. Pretty much the entire state is held hostage by the voting anchor beast that is LA.
Since it was "stolen" last year I can see so many democrats whining if Bush wins it, but these guys want to start protests and halt work and "nonviolent civil disobedience and general strike."
I doubt this will pan out, but it could get messy if certain people don't get their way.
I'm taking Nov. 3rd off anyway, I'll be up all night watching the election coverage, hope I don't get labeled with these losers. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I will stop at nothing
Say the right things
When electioneering
I trust I can rely on your vote
when I go forwards, you go backwards
And somewhere we will meet
when I go forwards, you go backwards
And somewhere we will meet
Riot shields
Voodoo economics (bloodshed, bloodshed)
It's just business
Cattle prods and the IMF
I trust I can rely on your vote
So. True.
heres an interesting transcipt of a story that was broken on Newsnight (yes thats a 'serious program' for anyone who wishs to call into question the integrity of this site, as has happened before I might add).
There seem to be several issues raised about Florida in this article, and some about other states, most notably the 1900 people from Jacksonville, who have been listed by republicans on a so called "challenge list", and that "as many as 58,000 absentee ballots have gone missing in Broward County".
you would have thought that after last year the general populous of America would be keen to ensure these strange occurances didnt happen, but history seems to be repeating itself.
<i>from where im sitting</i> America doesnt quite look the bastion of democracy it purports to be.
As for florida, both dems and reps are messing with the vote. I've heard and read numerous reports of people being harrased at the early polls, because they were republican.
The pressure combined with the logistics of performing the electoral process makes it seem like the election process is terrible inadequate, when in reality its pretty good considering the circumstances.
It was a desaster, and it could happen again. Even monkeys learn from their mistakes.
I have a quote for you sir.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rami Belson+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rami Belson)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry m8 but you need to actually investigate the facts before making statements that make you look foolish. The US doesn't meet international standards on what is necessary for a secure voting system in a democracy. Period. We preach democracy in other nations when we have some pretty disturbing violations going on here. It's embarassingly hypocritical for the nation that's supposed to be setting the example. Do you think so?
I realize this. I'm just saying that I'm not suprised that a nation with about 200 million possible voters has trouble getting their election process down pat. And that the US will never have a perfect election. Nowhere did I say that US voters should be satisfied with the the quality of he electoral process. No need to resort to name calling. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We preach democracy in other nations when we have some pretty disturbing violations going on here. It's embarassingly hypocritical for the nation that's supposed to be setting the example. Do you think so?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do think so.
Sorry if I offended you but the quote was necessary (and I've been itching to use it all day). Thanx for being a good sport about it, I was worried there for a little while if you were going to take that as flamebait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(now that I got my point across I'll remove if you request me to)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I do think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yay.
Every year for 216 years since the Constitution went into effect we have held elections without bloodshed and the rule of law was unbroken. Even during the Civil War elections were held and power was ceded without conflict.
I would think that that would say an awful lot about the US electoral process. The 2000 election was not a failure. Those who believe it failed really haven't been paying attention. The process that we have adopted for selection of our representatives was followed. On January 20th, 2001 President Bill Clinton passed control over the executive branch to George W. Bush. Do you really believe for a moment that if Clinton thought that Bush was not the true President elect he would have allowed him to have been inaugurated?
Somehow we are supposed to believe that the President would cede control to an individual who was not elected?
So many people have been worked into a ferver of hatred against our President over a false pretense. Don't fall into the trap. Otherwise you can expect every election from here on out to be exactly the same and either way you lose.
Where would we have an impartial group?
Where would we have an impartial group?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The United Nations has a group that can oversee elections to ensure the democratic process is upheld. When I wrote that statement I didn't know people had been calling for this to happen already, but I found this <a href='http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39549' target='_blank'>article</a>.
Functional? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Actually democratic instead of using something so backwater even the romans would laugh?
so basically, your entire argument is that handing control over to someone who was not elected in a completely fair manner, is so outragous that it cannot possibly have happened simply because its not supposed to?
stranger things have happened, I think its personally reasonable that Clinton is going to stand there and hand power to the apparent winner, rather then take matters into his own hands, seise power and refuse to give it up untill things are resolved.
but anyway.
ill admit, this is not my most heavily researched subject, I have no facts to hand, So I cannot say for sure that "yes the election was a fiddle!".
But similarly you simply shouldnt write it all off just because its not what you would like believe.
so basically, your entire argument is that handing control over to someone who was not elected in a completely fair manner, is so outragous that it cannot possibly have happened simply because its not supposed to?
stranger things have happened, I think its personally reasonable that Clinton is going to stand there and hand power to the apparent winner, rather then take matters into his own hands, seise power and refuse to give it up untill things are resolved.
but anyway.
ill admit, this is not my most heavily researched subject, I have no facts to hand, So I cannot say for sure that "yes the election was a fiddle!".
But similarly you simply shouldnt write it all off just because its not what you would like believe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No thats not my whole arguement, that is just the part of the arguement that you decided to pull out and call my whole arguement.
I'm not saying that everything is perfect in the US elections. I am saying that to call them a joke doesn't really get to the issue.
Where would we have an impartial group?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The United Nations has a group that can oversee elections to ensure the democratic process is upheld. When I wrote that statement I didn't know people had been calling for this to happen already, but I found this <a href='http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39549' target='_blank'>article</a>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ummm no, not going to happen.
A. I can guarentee that the UN is not impartial, with all the scandals that are being investigated at the behest of the current administration.
B. There in no real way to prevent the problems that are occuring without changing our election process, and then the problems would only change.
C. The american public wouldnt have it.
Both side have always gone out of their way to rig the elections. Be it the JFK-Mafia conspiracy theories or the theories of today, it has always happened. Politics is like a religion, and you are going to have your nut jobs out there going out of their way to promote their political views.
Let's say that UN official A doesn't like Candidate C.
All he has to do is 'leak' information suggesting that the UN thinks C rigged the election or had some hand in 'disenfranchising voters' It doesn't matter if the charges are true or not, they are out there now and a single UN official has now crippled a US president for an entire term.
so basically, your entire argument is that handing control over to someone who was not elected in a completely fair manner, is so outragous that it cannot possibly have happened simply because its not supposed to?
stranger things have happened, I think its personally reasonable that Clinton is going to stand there and hand power to the apparent winner, rather then take matters into his own hands, seise power and refuse to give it up untill things are resolved.
but anyway.
ill admit, this is not my most heavily researched subject, I have no facts to hand, So I cannot say for sure that "yes the election was a fiddle!".
But similarly you simply shouldnt write it all off just because its not what you would like believe. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No thats not my whole arguement, that is just the part of the arguement that you decided to pull out and call my whole arguement.
I'm not saying that everything is perfect in the US elections. I am saying that to call them a joke doesn't really get to the issue. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
sorry, i missed the part about it the US elections not being perfect, that they are merely the chosen method of election? whatever significance that may have upon the argument.
Im not calling <i>them</i> a 'joke', if anything im calling <i>It</i> (the 2000 election) a joke
What I mean to say is that you are seemingly defending the 2000 election in broad general ways like 'nothings perfect' and 'this is the chosen method of election', which at the same time totally ignores the 2000 elections specifically.
like I say, I wouldnt like to say this or that without reading up on the subject more thoughourly, but what I will say is there was no doubt alot of dubious events which cannot be explained away with sentiments like 'nothings perfect'.