<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 28 2004, 01:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 28 2004, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Oct 28 2004, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Oct 28 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Oct 28 2004, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Oct 28 2004, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have the solution to all robberies. Claymors <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hmm, those were an issue at my last job. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Where in the hell do you work.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your previous job and your current one. I am now dying to know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Previous job was related to landmine countermeasures. My second job paid better so that's why I am here now. Current job hired me as a sys. engineer. Though I have yet to really do any sys. engineer work. They have me working on other "stuff".
edit: not as cool as it sounds. For every bit of 'cool' information I hear or nifty gadget I get to work with I have to deal with 5000000000 tons of bureoucracy.
edit2: That is how I am able to post. I do part of what I need to do... and now I have to wait to hear back a confirmation or other acknowledgment before I can proceed.
However, my current project has not been classified yet. It is an intelligent information system that creates 'connections' between bits of information. The more information it gathers the faster and more accurate it becomes. It hasn't been fed anything classified or sensitive yet, we just told it to go scour the internet and newspapers for information. The interface is pretty cool (think visual thesaurus meets minority report)
We just gave a tour of it to some governor's school students this summer. They thought it was pretty neat, we let them use it a bit.
(Actually, the project will never be classified. Just the data on it when it goes live. It also automatically removes classified information from non authorized viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if we made some sort of public access point to it so people can use it for research projects in the future)
They made 15 holes in that safe? They probably didn't even know what they were doing. By the way, the fact that they can drill through the safe doesn't means that the safe is cheap.
Make it easily drillable, have a huge cavity filled with pressurized chlorine or some other gas that's not really healthy to breath and a warning sign(I'm pretty sure you would need at least a warning sign to store pressurized liquid chlorine legally). If they're dumb enough to drill into your reservoir of chlorine even with the warning sign, that's their problem, not yours. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Oct 29 2004, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Oct 29 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hows this for a safe?
Make it easily drillable, have a huge cavity filled with liquid chlorine or some other gas that's not really healthy to breath and a warning sign(I'm pretty sure you would need at least a warning sign to store pressurized liquid chlorine legally). If they're dumb enough to drill into your reservoir of chlorine even with the warning sign, that's their problem, not yours. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Too bad stainless steel corrodes REALLY quickly in a chloride environment.
Too bad that in your haste to correct me on a mistake I didn't make(I didn't say a single word about using stainless steel) you were actually dead wrong. Chlorine is often stored in stainless steel tanks in the industry, they aren't coated on the inside with a less reactive metal or anything. If I go looking for cylinders for pressurized chlorine storage I also find ones out of aluminum alloys, which should be even more easy to drill into.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Air Liquide has assembled data on the compatibility of gases with materials to assist you in evaluating which products to use for a gas system. Although the information has been compiled from what Air Liquide believes are reliable sources (International Standards: Compatibility of cylinder and valve materials with gas content; Part 1: ISO 11114-1 (Jul 1998), Part 2: ISO 11114-2 (Mar 2001)), it must be used with extreme caution. No raw data such as this can cover all conditions of concentration, temperature, humidity, impurities and aeration. It is therefore recommended that this table is used to choose possible materials and then more extensive investigation and testing is carried out under the specific conditions of use.
Aluminium Non recommended Brass Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture. Copper Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture. Carbon Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture. Stainless Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Satisfactory Polychlorotrifluoroethylene (PCTFE) Satisfactory Vinylidene polyfluoride (PVDF) (KYNAR™) Satisfactory Polyamide (PA) (NYLON™) Non recommended, possible ignition. Polypropylène (PP) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Buthyl (isobutene - isoprene) rubber (IIR) Non recommended, possible ignition. Nitrile rubber (NBR) Non recommended, possible ignition. Chloroprene (CR) Non recommended, possible ignition. Chlorofluorocarbons (FKM) (VITON™) Satisfactory Silicon (Q) Non recommended, significant loss of mass by extraction or chemical reaction. Ethylene - Propylene (EPDM) Non recommended, possible ignition. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even freaking flourine is stored in stainless steel cylinders, and it's MUCH more reactive, it will even react with argon and xenon!
<!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Oct 28 2004, 03:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Oct 28 2004, 03:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow! $22.50 ... thats low. You'd think that a tramp would do it not someone with power tools. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe he stole the powertools aswell. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Oct 28 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Oct 28 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too bad that in your haste to correct me on a mistake I didn't make(I didn't say a single word about using stainless steel) you were actually dead wrong. Chlorine is often stored in stainless steel tanks in the industry, they aren't coated on the inside with a less reactive metal or anything. If I go looking for cylinders for pressurized chlorine storage I also find ones out of aluminum alloys, which should be even more easy to drill into.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Air Liquide has assembled data on the compatibility of gases with materials to assist you in evaluating which products to use for a gas system. Although the information has been compiled from what Air Liquide believes are reliable sources (International Standards: Compatibility of cylinder and valve materials with gas content; Part 1: ISO 11114-1 (Jul 1998), Part 2: ISO 11114-2 (Mar 2001)), it must be used with extreme caution. No raw data such as this can cover all conditions of concentration, temperature, humidity, impurities and aeration. It is therefore recommended that this table is used to choose possible materials and then more extensive investigation and testing is carried out under the specific conditions of use.
Aluminium Non recommended Brass Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture. Copper Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture. Carbon Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture. Stainless Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Satisfactory Polychlorotrifluoroethylene (PCTFE) Satisfactory Vinylidene polyfluoride (PVDF) (KYNAR™) Satisfactory Polyamide (PA) (NYLON™) Non recommended, possible ignition. Polypropylène (PP) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Buthyl (isobutene - isoprene) rubber (IIR) Non recommended, possible ignition. Nitrile rubber (NBR) Non recommended, possible ignition. Chloroprene (CR) Non recommended, possible ignition. Chlorofluorocarbons (FKM) (VITON™) Satisfactory Silicon (Q) Non recommended, significant loss of mass by extraction or chemical reaction. Ethylene - Propylene (EPDM) Non recommended, possible ignition. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even freaking flourine is stored in stainless steel cylinders, and it's MUCH more reactive, it will even react with argon and xenon! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Haha! Scythe you can't outsmart the chemistry smarts. I'm only wishing I had seen you post first so I could pwn you with chemistry myself. Muahaha! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(hey my e-mail isn't mad.scientist for nothing you know <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
If I was going to make such a safe I'd make it out of stainless steel with PTFE coatings. Then I'd fill it not with chlorine, but BTX. Why because more carnage = fun. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lol. jk. (or am i? muahahha!)
The paintball field I work at got robbed a few weeks back... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-www.paintball-command.com+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (www.paintball-command.com)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Around 2:00 a.m., on Sun. the 3rd, the alarm was set off in our retail trailer and we arrived at PBC to discover the doors were tampered with and one door was opened, but the alarm must have scared them away. Last night, after 2:00 a.m., Sun. the 10th, we got the call that the alarm was set off again. We arrived to find that the electricity was cut off, the alarm box was cut off of the trailer, and the door was bashed in and the window was broken. They completely destroyed the snack machine, broke the TV, smashed the small glass case, stole 10 guns, 4 HP tanks, and one goggle. There were footprints everywhere, on top of the large glass case and countertop, and one computer was pushed off the counter and was hanging by its wires. The sheriffs special crime unit arrived and did a full investigation. This is a serious act of thievery which is a felony offense. Paintball Command, Gunfighter Games, MCM/Paintball Ponderosa, Sal Mortillaro, Regulatorz, Technostorm, and Hot Heads Ordnance are offering a $1750.00 reward for information leading to the recovery of all the stolen items and the arrest and conviction of the individuals who committed this CRIME! This is a list of items that were stolen. Please be on the lookout for any of these guns or tanks, and keep us up to date with any info you might see or hear.
1 - WGP 2004 Vertical Autococker - Red and Chrome 1 - Tippmann A-5 with response trigger - black 1 - Tippmann 98 Custom - black 1 - Tippmann 98 Custom - camouflage 1 - Dragun TES B - with new style grip - blue to black fade 1 - Dragun TES B - with new style grip - red to black fade 1 - Spyder Pilot - electronic - blue 1 - Spyder 04 Imagine - electronic - green camouflage 1 - Spyder Xtra - semi -auto - sky blue 1 - Spyder Victor - semi-auto - blue Both of the electronic Spyders are missing the rechargeable battery and charger. 1 - ACI Bulldog HP tank - 91 ci - 4500 psi 1 - Pure Energy HP tank - 88 ci - 4500 psi 1 - Pure Energy HP tank - 68 ci - 4500 psi 1 - Pure Energy HP tank - 45 ci - 4500 psi 1 - JT Headshield goggle<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+Oct 28 2004, 06:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Oct 28 2004, 06:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Oct 29 2004, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Oct 29 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hows this for a safe?
Make it easily drillable, have a huge cavity filled with liquid chlorine or some other gas that's not really healthy to breath and a warning sign(I'm pretty sure you would need at least a warning sign to store pressurized liquid chlorine legally). If they're dumb enough to drill into your reservoir of chlorine even with the warning sign, that's their problem, not yours. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Too bad stainless steel corrodes REALLY quickly in a chloride environment.
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Use Nanites!!!
Man, if someone tried to rob I'd knock them out. I have black belt in martial arts, whatever that's worth.
<!--QuoteBegin-Duff-Man+Oct 28 2004, 06:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Oct 28 2004, 06:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Our safe is cemented into the ground in the back room.
We've had one break-in ever, but the guy .... He did make off with a box of fruit roll-ups though, which I found hilarious. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I find that hilarious too. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the chlorine thing, are you planning to wear a gas mask everytime you open up?
<!--QuoteBegin-0blique+Oct 28 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (0blique @ Oct 28 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Duff-Man+Oct 28 2004, 06:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Oct 28 2004, 06:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Our safe is cemented into the ground in the back room.
We've had one break-in ever, but the guy .... He did make off with a box of fruit roll-ups though, which I found hilarious. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I find that hilarious too. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the chlorine thing, are you planning to wear a gas mask everytime you open up? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, just put a pocket of gas in between two layers of the safe wall.
Someone tries to drill, and gets a cloud of noxious gas pouring out of the hole.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Oct 28 2004, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Oct 28 2004, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 28 2004, 01:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 28 2004, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Oct 28 2004, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Oct 28 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Oct 28 2004, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Oct 28 2004, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have the solution to all robberies. Claymors <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hmm, those were an issue at my last job. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Where in the hell do you work.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your previous job and your current one. I am now dying to know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Previous job was related to landmine countermeasures. My second job paid better so that's why I am here now. Current job hired me as a sys. engineer. Though I have yet to really do any sys. engineer work. They have me working on other "stuff".
edit: not as cool as it sounds. For every bit of 'cool' information I hear or nifty gadget I get to work with I have to deal with 5000000000 tons of bureoucracy.
edit2: That is how I am able to post. I do part of what I need to do... and now I have to wait to hear back a confirmation or other acknowledgment before I can proceed.
However, my current project has not been classified yet. It is an intelligent information system that creates 'connections' between bits of information. The more information it gathers the faster and more accurate it becomes. It hasn't been fed anything classified or sensitive yet, we just told it to go scour the internet and newspapers for information. The interface is pretty cool (think visual thesaurus meets minority report)
We just gave a tour of it to some governor's school students this summer. They thought it was pretty neat, we let them use it a bit.
(Actually, the project will never be classified. Just the data on it when it goes live. It also automatically removes classified information from non authorized viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if we made some sort of public access point to it so people can use it for research projects in the future) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> I wish I was genius enough to work badass jobs like that. I mean, the kinds of things you work on, I see in sci fi.
1. Law. To take property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon. 2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: <i>rob a bank. </i> 3. To take as booty; steal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. Commit a burglary; enter and rob a dwelling 2. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine that, they're synonyms... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . I generally consider burglarizing to be a bit less...violent and more clandestine. So, drilling holes in a safe and dumping a cash register in a field don't really fall in that category for me.
[Plus, it happened between 10pm and 6am, when no one was at the store, so even if you did have 'mad martial art skillz' you'd have been practicing them while sleeping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .]
Plus, profit is only about a dollar per pizza, so I don't think we can afford your high-tech safe set up, Necrotic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
1. Law. To take property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon. 2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: <i>rob a bank. </i> 3. To take as booty; steal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. Commit a burglary; enter and rob a dwelling 2. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine that, they're synonyms... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . I generally consider burglarizing to be a bit less...violent and more clandestine. So, drilling holes in a safe and dumping a cash register in a field don't really fall in that category for me.
[Plus, it happened between 10pm and 6am, when no one was at the store, so even if you did have 'mad martial art skillz' you'd have been practicing them while sleeping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .]
Plus, profit is only about a dollar per pizza, so I don't think we can afford your high-tech safe set up, Necrotic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Davis was talking from a legal stance, not a linguistic one. Burglary and robbery are two different things.
1. Law. To take property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon. 2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: <i>rob a bank. </i> 3. To take as booty; steal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. Commit a burglary; enter and rob a dwelling 2. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine that, they're synonyms... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . I generally consider burglarizing to be a bit less...violent and more clandestine. So, drilling holes in a safe and dumping a cash register in a field don't really fall in that category for me.
[Plus, it happened between 10pm and 6am, when no one was at the store, so even if you did have 'mad martial art skillz' you'd have been practicing them while sleeping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .]
Plus, profit is only about a dollar per pizza, so I don't think we can afford your high-tech safe set up, Necrotic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Davis was talking from a legal stance, not a linguistic one. Burglary and robbery are two different things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> communicative semantics > legal semantics
He was trying to tell us that someone stole from his work. He succeded in comumicating this, thus esoteric legal definitions aside, it doesn't matter.
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hmm, those were an issue at my last job. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where in the hell do you work.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your previous job and your current one. I am now dying to know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Previous job was related to landmine countermeasures. My second job paid better so that's why I am here now. Current job hired me as a sys. engineer. Though I have yet to really do any sys. engineer work. They have me working on other "stuff".
edit: not as cool as it sounds. For every bit of 'cool' information I hear or nifty gadget I get to work with I have to deal with 5000000000 tons of bureoucracy.
edit2: That is how I am able to post. I do part of what I need to do... and now I have to wait to hear back a confirmation or other acknowledgment before I can proceed.
However, my current project has not been classified yet. It is an intelligent information system that creates 'connections' between bits of information. The more information it gathers the faster and more accurate it becomes. It hasn't been fed anything classified or sensitive yet, we just told it to go scour the internet and newspapers for information. The interface is pretty cool (think visual thesaurus meets minority report)
We just gave a tour of it to some governor's school students this summer. They thought it was pretty neat, we let them use it a bit.
(Actually, the project will never be classified. Just the data on it when it goes live. It also automatically removes classified information from non authorized viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if we made some sort of public access point to it so people can use it for research projects in the future)
Make it easily drillable, have a huge cavity filled with pressurized chlorine or some other gas that's not really healthy to breath and a warning sign(I'm pretty sure you would need at least a warning sign to store pressurized liquid chlorine legally). If they're dumb enough to drill into your reservoir of chlorine even with the warning sign, that's their problem, not yours. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Make it easily drillable, have a huge cavity filled with liquid chlorine or some other gas that's not really healthy to breath and a warning sign(I'm pretty sure you would need at least a warning sign to store pressurized liquid chlorine legally). If they're dumb enough to drill into your reservoir of chlorine even with the warning sign, that's their problem, not yours. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too bad stainless steel corrodes REALLY quickly in a chloride environment.
--Scythe--
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Air Liquide has assembled data on the compatibility of gases with materials to assist you in evaluating which products to use for a gas system. Although the information has been compiled from what Air Liquide believes are reliable sources (International Standards: Compatibility of cylinder and valve materials with gas content; Part 1: ISO 11114-1 (Jul 1998), Part 2: ISO 11114-2 (Mar 2001)), it must be used with extreme caution. No raw data such as this can cover all conditions of concentration, temperature, humidity, impurities and aeration. It is therefore recommended that this table is used to choose possible materials and then more extensive investigation and testing is carried out under the specific conditions of use.
Aluminium Non recommended
Brass Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Copper Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Carbon Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Stainless Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Satisfactory
Polychlorotrifluoroethylene (PCTFE) Satisfactory
Vinylidene polyfluoride (PVDF) (KYNAR™) Satisfactory
Polyamide (PA) (NYLON™) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Polypropylène (PP) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Buthyl (isobutene - isoprene) rubber (IIR) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Nitrile rubber (NBR) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Chloroprene (CR) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Chlorofluorocarbons (FKM) (VITON™) Satisfactory
Silicon (Q) Non recommended, significant loss of mass by extraction or chemical reaction.
Ethylene - Propylene (EPDM) Non recommended, possible ignition.
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Even freaking flourine is stored in stainless steel cylinders, and it's MUCH more reactive, it will even react with argon and xenon!
Maybe he stole the powertools aswell. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Air Liquide has assembled data on the compatibility of gases with materials to assist you in evaluating which products to use for a gas system. Although the information has been compiled from what Air Liquide believes are reliable sources (International Standards: Compatibility of cylinder and valve materials with gas content; Part 1: ISO 11114-1 (Jul 1998), Part 2: ISO 11114-2 (Mar 2001)), it must be used with extreme caution. No raw data such as this can cover all conditions of concentration, temperature, humidity, impurities and aeration. It is therefore recommended that this table is used to choose possible materials and then more extensive investigation and testing is carried out under the specific conditions of use.
Aluminium Non recommended
Brass Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Copper Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Carbon Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Stainless Steel Satisfactory but corrosive in presence of moisture.
Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Satisfactory
Polychlorotrifluoroethylene (PCTFE) Satisfactory
Vinylidene polyfluoride (PVDF) (KYNAR™) Satisfactory
Polyamide (PA) (NYLON™) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Polypropylène (PP) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Buthyl (isobutene - isoprene) rubber (IIR) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Nitrile rubber (NBR) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Chloroprene (CR) Non recommended, possible ignition.
Chlorofluorocarbons (FKM) (VITON™) Satisfactory
Silicon (Q) Non recommended, significant loss of mass by extraction or chemical reaction.
Ethylene - Propylene (EPDM) Non recommended, possible ignition.
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Even freaking flourine is stored in stainless steel cylinders, and it's MUCH more reactive, it will even react with argon and xenon! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Haha! Scythe you can't outsmart the chemistry smarts. I'm only wishing I had seen you post first so I could pwn you with chemistry myself. Muahaha! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(hey my e-mail isn't mad.scientist for nothing you know <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
If I was going to make such a safe I'd make it out of stainless steel with PTFE coatings. Then I'd fill it not with chlorine, but BTX. Why because more carnage = fun. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lol. jk. (or am i? muahahha!)
<!--QuoteBegin-www.paintball-command.com+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (www.paintball-command.com)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Around 2:00 a.m., on Sun. the 3rd, the alarm was set off in our retail trailer and we arrived at PBC to discover the doors were tampered with and one door was opened, but the alarm must have scared them away. Last night, after 2:00 a.m., Sun. the 10th, we got the call that the alarm was set off again. We arrived to find that the electricity was cut off, the alarm box was cut off of the trailer, and the door was bashed in and the window was broken. They completely destroyed the snack machine, broke the TV, smashed the small glass case, stole 10 guns, 4 HP tanks, and one goggle. There were footprints everywhere, on top of the large glass case and countertop, and one computer was pushed off the counter and was hanging by its wires. The sheriffs special crime unit arrived and did a full investigation. This is a serious act of thievery which is a felony offense. Paintball Command, Gunfighter Games, MCM/Paintball Ponderosa, Sal Mortillaro, Regulatorz, Technostorm, and Hot Heads Ordnance are offering a $1750.00 reward for information leading to the recovery of all the stolen items and the arrest and conviction of the individuals who committed this CRIME!
This is a list of items that were stolen. Please be on the lookout for any of these guns or tanks, and keep us up to date with any info you might see or hear.
1 - WGP 2004 Vertical Autococker - Red and Chrome
1 - Tippmann A-5 with response trigger - black
1 - Tippmann 98 Custom - black
1 - Tippmann 98 Custom - camouflage
1 - Dragun TES B - with new style grip - blue to black fade
1 - Dragun TES B - with new style grip - red to black fade
1 - Spyder Pilot - electronic - blue
1 - Spyder 04 Imagine - electronic - green camouflage
1 - Spyder Xtra - semi -auto - sky blue
1 - Spyder Victor - semi-auto - blue
Both of the electronic Spyders are missing the rechargeable battery and charger.
1 - ACI Bulldog HP tank - 91 ci - 4500 psi
1 - Pure Energy HP tank - 88 ci - 4500 psi
1 - Pure Energy HP tank - 68 ci - 4500 psi
1 - Pure Energy HP tank - 45 ci - 4500 psi
1 - JT Headshield goggle<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Make it easily drillable, have a huge cavity filled with liquid chlorine or some other gas that's not really healthy to breath and a warning sign(I'm pretty sure you would need at least a warning sign to store pressurized liquid chlorine legally). If they're dumb enough to drill into your reservoir of chlorine even with the warning sign, that's their problem, not yours. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too bad stainless steel corrodes REALLY quickly in a chloride environment.
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Use Nanites!!!
Man, if someone tried to rob I'd knock them out. I have black belt in martial arts, whatever that's worth.
I can pwn people ^_^
We've had one break-in ever, but the guy .... He did make off with a box of fruit roll-ups though, which I found hilarious. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I find that hilarious too. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the chlorine thing, are you planning to wear a gas mask everytime you open up?
We've had one break-in ever, but the guy .... He did make off with a box of fruit roll-ups though, which I found hilarious. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I find that hilarious too. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the chlorine thing, are you planning to wear a gas mask everytime you open up? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, just put a pocket of gas in between two layers of the safe wall.
Someone tries to drill, and gets a cloud of noxious gas pouring out of the hole.
hmm, those were an issue at my last job. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where in the hell do you work.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your previous job and your current one. I am now dying to know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Previous job was related to landmine countermeasures. My second job paid better so that's why I am here now. Current job hired me as a sys. engineer. Though I have yet to really do any sys. engineer work. They have me working on other "stuff".
edit: not as cool as it sounds. For every bit of 'cool' information I hear or nifty gadget I get to work with I have to deal with 5000000000 tons of bureoucracy.
edit2: That is how I am able to post. I do part of what I need to do... and now I have to wait to hear back a confirmation or other acknowledgment before I can proceed.
However, my current project has not been classified yet. It is an intelligent information system that creates 'connections' between bits of information. The more information it gathers the faster and more accurate it becomes. It hasn't been fed anything classified or sensitive yet, we just told it to go scour the internet and newspapers for information. The interface is pretty cool (think visual thesaurus meets minority report)
We just gave a tour of it to some governor's school students this summer. They thought it was pretty neat, we let them use it a bit.
(Actually, the project will never be classified. Just the data on it when it goes live. It also automatically removes classified information from non authorized viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if we made some sort of public access point to it so people can use it for research projects in the future) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> I wish I was genius enough to work badass jobs like that. I mean, the kinds of things you work on, I see in sci fi.
AHHHHH you were burglarised not robbed!!!!
There is a huge difference!
kthnksimdonenow <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
1. Law. To take property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon.
2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: <i>rob a bank. </i>
3. To take as booty; steal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-burglarize+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (burglarize)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>verb</i> burglarized, burglarizing, burglarizes
1. Commit a burglary; enter and rob a dwelling
2. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine that, they're synonyms... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . I generally consider burglarizing to be a bit less...violent and more clandestine. So, drilling holes in a safe and dumping a cash register in a field don't really fall in that category for me.
[Plus, it happened between 10pm and 6am, when no one was at the store, so even if you did have 'mad martial art skillz' you'd have been practicing them while sleeping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .]
Plus, profit is only about a dollar per pizza, so I don't think we can afford your high-tech safe set up, Necrotic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
1. Law. To take property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon.
2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: <i>rob a bank. </i>
3. To take as booty; steal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-burglarize+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (burglarize)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>verb</i> burglarized, burglarizing, burglarizes
1. Commit a burglary; enter and rob a dwelling
2. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine that, they're synonyms... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . I generally consider burglarizing to be a bit less...violent and more clandestine. So, drilling holes in a safe and dumping a cash register in a field don't really fall in that category for me.
[Plus, it happened between 10pm and 6am, when no one was at the store, so even if you did have 'mad martial art skillz' you'd have been practicing them while sleeping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .]
Plus, profit is only about a dollar per pizza, so I don't think we can afford your high-tech safe set up, Necrotic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Davis was talking from a legal stance, not a linguistic one. Burglary and robbery are two different things.
1. Law. To take property from (a person) illegally by using or threatening to use violence or force; commit robbery upon.
2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: <i>rob a bank. </i>
3. To take as booty; steal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-burglarize+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (burglarize)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>verb</i> burglarized, burglarizing, burglarizes
1. Commit a burglary; enter and rob a dwelling
2. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine that, they're synonyms... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . I generally consider burglarizing to be a bit less...violent and more clandestine. So, drilling holes in a safe and dumping a cash register in a field don't really fall in that category for me.
[Plus, it happened between 10pm and 6am, when no one was at the store, so even if you did have 'mad martial art skillz' you'd have been practicing them while sleeping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .]
Plus, profit is only about a dollar per pizza, so I don't think we can afford your high-tech safe set up, Necrotic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Davis was talking from a legal stance, not a linguistic one. Burglary and robbery are two different things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
communicative semantics > legal semantics
He was trying to tell us that someone stole from his work. He succeded in comumicating this, thus esoteric legal definitions aside, it doesn't matter.