Religion: Is It Our Duty To Free The World Of It?
Dukem
Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15246Banned
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<div class="IPBDescription">Keep Forum Lively + Kill God</div> After the "good" response to my previous posts, I have decided to leave you with another thought prevoking topic to ponder over over-night. As with my previous random topics, it is overtly confrontational and goes against everything you Americans were "taught" in HighSchool. It also follows the common sense, logical doctrines that act to undermine the tyranny of political correctness and <span style='color:purple'>tolerance</span>.
Throughout the world there are millions of people who believe in God - or some strange variation. Whilst people feel obligated to eradicate world hunger and AIDS, very few people are actively trying to cure the world of religion.
Religion is the foundation of ignorance. Peoples "faith" could be equally described as their ability to accept information reguardless of how ridiculous it may sound.
Religion has been the basis of countless wars and is now central to Terrorism
Religion promotes the Capitalist structure by encouraging people to work in a peaceful - obedient way.
Religion gives people false hope of an afterlife.
Religion makes people feel like individuals
Religion tricks people whose lives are meaningless into believing there is some higher meaning
Religion encourages people to beleive ridiculous concepts - such as Christian creation..
Religion teaches peace and tolerance - it tranquilises logical thought and survival of the fittest
Religions place barriers between different ethnic groups and lead to resentment.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> These are just the main reasons why religion is an insult to humanity;
And yet, the global governments encourage religion. Why? Because as in previous centuries - religion retains a sense of control. Although people may not believe everything that religion tells them - this current climate of tolerence prevents anyone from ever speaking out against it. This erodes our personal freedom of thought - we see some kind of devine limitation of our own capacity to think.
I propose that everyone should openly try and demolish religions. By this, i do not mean accepting other peoples right to beleive what they want. I beleive if so many people believe something that is soo ridiculous, it is our duty to help liberate them in an active way.
Although you might say there is no evidence disproving religion - it is also quite apparent that there is no evidence backing it up. Surely it makes more sense to disbelieve something that is really ridiculous, because there is no evidence, than it is to beleive it because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Also i hate people who say - "i don't believe in god... but i believe in something" - what exactly is this something! If it has any profoundly devine influence on your life - then it might as well be god. If you think about it, this argument is even stupidier than the argument for a god. You're actually saying here that you don't know what you believe in - but you believe in it anyway...
No more respect of other peoples views please. It is our duty to each other to point out how bizarre our understanding of the world is. In the 21st Century - why should religion continue to act as a barrier between people and logic.
Well - its late.... see what people have to say in the morning.
Throughout the world there are millions of people who believe in God - or some strange variation. Whilst people feel obligated to eradicate world hunger and AIDS, very few people are actively trying to cure the world of religion.
Religion is the foundation of ignorance. Peoples "faith" could be equally described as their ability to accept information reguardless of how ridiculous it may sound.
Religion has been the basis of countless wars and is now central to Terrorism
Religion promotes the Capitalist structure by encouraging people to work in a peaceful - obedient way.
Religion gives people false hope of an afterlife.
Religion makes people feel like individuals
Religion tricks people whose lives are meaningless into believing there is some higher meaning
Religion encourages people to beleive ridiculous concepts - such as Christian creation..
Religion teaches peace and tolerance - it tranquilises logical thought and survival of the fittest
Religions place barriers between different ethnic groups and lead to resentment.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> These are just the main reasons why religion is an insult to humanity;
And yet, the global governments encourage religion. Why? Because as in previous centuries - religion retains a sense of control. Although people may not believe everything that religion tells them - this current climate of tolerence prevents anyone from ever speaking out against it. This erodes our personal freedom of thought - we see some kind of devine limitation of our own capacity to think.
I propose that everyone should openly try and demolish religions. By this, i do not mean accepting other peoples right to beleive what they want. I beleive if so many people believe something that is soo ridiculous, it is our duty to help liberate them in an active way.
Although you might say there is no evidence disproving religion - it is also quite apparent that there is no evidence backing it up. Surely it makes more sense to disbelieve something that is really ridiculous, because there is no evidence, than it is to beleive it because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Also i hate people who say - "i don't believe in god... but i believe in something" - what exactly is this something! If it has any profoundly devine influence on your life - then it might as well be god. If you think about it, this argument is even stupidier than the argument for a god. You're actually saying here that you don't know what you believe in - but you believe in it anyway...
No more respect of other peoples views please. It is our duty to each other to point out how bizarre our understanding of the world is. In the 21st Century - why should religion continue to act as a barrier between people and logic.
Well - its late.... see what people have to say in the morning.
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Religion has been the basis of countless wars and is now central to Terrorism
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Um... not really. Religion is generally used as an excuse or justification for war, but to my knowledge it has never actually been the root cause. Though I do find it odd that so many who claim to be religious are so willing to support war.
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Religion gives people false hope of an afterlife.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its only false if there is no afterlife. A concept which, by its very nature, is unprovable.
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didn't you just claim that religion encourages tolerance and peace? Yet you also claim that it silmultaniously encourages intolerance and war?
You need to think your topics out a little more thuroughly methinks. Though I would agree that religion does seem to have an anti-logic effect on its practitioners...
Throughout the world there are millions of people who believe in God - or some strange variation. Whilst people feel obligated to eradicate world hunger and AIDS, very few people are actively trying to cure the world of religion.
Religion is the foundation of ignorance. Peoples "faith" could be equally described as their ability to accept information reguardless of how ridiculous it may sound.
Religion has been the basis of countless wars and is now central to Terrorism
Religion promotes the Capitalist structure by encouraging people to work in a peaceful - obedient way.
Religion gives people false hope of an afterlife.
Religion makes people feel like individuals
Religion tricks people whose lives are meaningless into believing there is some higher meaning
Religion encourages people to beleive ridiculous concepts - such as Christian creation..
Religion teaches peace and tolerance - it tranquilises logical thought and survival of the fittest
Religions place barriers between different ethnic groups and lead to resentment.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> These are just the main reasons why religion is an insult to humanity;
And yet, the global governments encourage religion. Why? Because as in previous centuries - religion retains a sense of control. Although people may not believe everything that religion tells them - this current climate of tolerence prevents anyone from ever speaking out against it. This erodes our personal freedom of thought - we see some kind of devine limitation of our own capacity to think.
I propose that everyone should openly try and demolish religions. By this, i do not mean accepting other peoples right to beleive what they want. I beleive if so many people believe something that is soo ridiculous, it is our duty to help liberate them in an active way.
Although you might say there is no evidence disproving religion - it is also quite apparent that there is no evidence backing it up. Surely it makes more sense to disbelieve something that is really ridiculous, because there is no evidence, than it is to beleive it because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Also i hate people who say - "i don't believe in god... but i believe in something" - what exactly is this something! If it has any profoundly devine influence on your life - then it might as well be god. If you think about it, this argument is even stupidier than the argument for a god. You're actually saying here that you don't know what you believe in - but you believe in it anyway...
No more respect of other peoples views please. It is our duty to each other to point out how bizarre our understanding of the world is. In the 21st Century - why should religion continue to act as a barrier between people and logic.
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ugh, again?
But, first, although the American school system isn't the best, it's not all a load of crap
The "Tyranny of political correctness and tolerance" ? sounds like you need to get away from all the conspiriacy stories
Reading through post, it seems you just dislike religion, and I kinda sorta sympasize with that (I personally think the whole religion thing is a little far-fecthed), as when you say American Christian to europeans, they tend to think of the nutcases who use religion to justify everything they do.
As for getting rid of it, good luck, you're gonna need it. Religion has stood since ancient times, and it doesn't look like its gonna change anytime soon
At the last paragraph, it made me think, probably will post my thoughts on it tomorrow
*Edit* My opinion on your opinion is that people who have opinions such as your opinion, in my opinion are an "insult to humanity" as you so put it. Yes the use of opinion was intentional.
Rule #2: Don't feed the trolls
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You are entitled to your opinion but I have the right to disagree with that full heartedly and I do. Labeling people is an evil actually.
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Kill belief itself no matter what it is? You can't not believe in something? Even nothing is somethign just liek not choice is a choice of sorts. Good luck. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
First off your under the idea that ALL religion is bad. And because of religion there is terrorism.
There is some truth to that, and some falseness to that.
There are extremist and there are people who are just mild. Extremist use religion or other thing to justify what thier doing.
For example an athiest extremist, could feel the world needs to be cured of religion. If that person had the chance they might just kill everyone who belived in god, then prob justify it that they are sending them(god believing people) to thier "heaven" and since "heaven" is a perfect place then they have nothing to fear. Or they could justify it as that they are the resion why war is created,
You know what causes Wars?
The."I am Right You are Wrong" type of attidude. The poisen of the world right now is people who belive that They are Right, and someone else is wrong THAT is what causes wars. What they base thier Righiousness in is how they affirm themselves of being right. Somtimes Religion, Sometimes other Ideals Like the KKK hitler. etc.
In my belief we do not focus on whos belief is right or wrong. we focus on helping people. If someone is on the side of the road. WE HELP THEM. if someone has a head ache, we heal them. etc etc. By doing this we hope we can one day bring the belief that it doesn't matter whos right and wrong or what you believe in. All that matters is that you help create a mroe positive world instead of a negetive one. Thus helping promote happiness.
I also belive that humans are God in a collective whole and just haven't completely tapped into most of thier power.This power is controled by Belief. Belief is what opens portals up into alternate realalities, and other openings in the human mind.
But that is just my belief.
There, ive said my bit
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Replying to this actual concept is an insult to anyone's intelligence, instead, I'm going to pass SkulkBait here and debunk your entire myriad of ignorance over here...
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Many people take values from their religion and don't actually believe the stories their specific holy book entails (otherwise we should have slaves (...and not have slaves), women would be treated horribly and I'd bet no one would touch a snake - for Christianity anyway).
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The cause of all war is quest for power or quest for money. Nothing else. The terrorism caused by religion is caused by people who obviously don't pay attention to their own religion, since the Koran specifically says that you can't kill other muslims, yet terrorists do it constantly...so pfft to them.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Religion promotes the Capitalist structure by encouraging people to work in a peaceful - obedient way.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because monks setting themselves on fire sell cars! By our flaming monk-mobile!
...along with the fact most eastern religions don't have a 'god' type of god. It mostly involves the spirit and meditation. Stuff people could do with out religion (apparently it relaxes you...but I've never done it and see it as a complete waste of time).
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First, that depends on the religion. Second, there's no proof an afterlife doesn't exist. Third, not everyone 'hopes' for an afterlife (especially if they're within their religion and believe they're going to the bad portion of the afterlife).
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The other option would make more sense, being as you all congregate together, sing together and worship together (in many religions)...so...whatever. If they don't worship together they worship in the same way...so, no individuality there either.
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1. Not everyone is looking for a higher meaning. 2. No one said there isn't one (...except you...and me I suppose). 3. I'm trying to figure out which religion you got this from anywy...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Religion encourages people to beleive ridiculous concepts - such as Christian creation.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only people who can't think for themselves, or people who wish to be ignorant would believe the Bible creation account in its literal sense. There are so many nonsensical things in there (borrowed from other creation accounts of the time, notably the Sumerians and Babylonians), that anyone who believed that a snake was talking to some girl and then water fell from the sky as giant flood...and God has a bow he's using for no reason.
Plus: Way to restate your first 'point' it doesn't count as one more if it's the same as another. 1 + 0 does not equal 2, thanks.
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Again, this contradicts your above point (specifically about 'war' and 'terrorism') and makes me border you on the line of hypocrite. Logical thought would be alive in anyone mentioned in my last response. Survival of the fittest was disbanded the moment we developed a communal society...along with the fact we have very slow evolution ahead of us (short of people who experience space travel and new rigors where mutations could be beneficial).
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1. I think you've got your misinformed ideas mixed up. 2. If you don't: throw me out an example.
Along with the fact only theocracies give religion a large impact in government. Because you see the Japanese government force people to meditate and other useless activities, don't you?
....bah. At least think out this stop before you try to start 'controversy'.
Religion has been the basis of countless wars and is now central to Terrorism
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Um... not really. Religion is generally used as an excuse or justification for war, but to my knowledge it has never actually been the root cause. Though I do find it odd that so many who claim to be religious are so willing to support war.
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Religion gives people false hope of an afterlife.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its only false if there is no afterlife. A concept which, by its very nature, is unprovable.
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didn't you just claim that religion encourages tolerance and peace? Yet you also claim that it silmultaniously encourages intolerance and war?
You need to think your topics out a little more thuroughly methinks. Though I would agree that religion does seem to have an anti-logic effect on its practitioners... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what's this? skulkbait and i agree? i think i can die happy now.
I encourage anyone who reads this to stop what they are posting, and just do something else. There is no argument presented therefore there is no counter-argument.
Therefore any arguments is just a p~~~ing contest.
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Though I probably wouldn't have expressed my thoughts the way the rest of Forlorn's post did, I would like to call attention to the quoted sentiment as one of the reasons why this thread is being locked. One of the other (related?) reasons is because religion-based discussion threads have a history of not proceeding well unless extremely well formed from post #1, and even then they have a chance of going downhill quickly.