Should Ugly Or Thick People Have Confidence?
Dukem
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<div class="IPBDescription">Do confident screw-ups -annoy you?</div> I'm not a particulary extroverted person however speak reasonably confidently and with authority when prompted. I was in a conversation yesterday where i was told that remaining quiet when you have the capacity to be loud is as a result of a lack of confidence. I was then asked to look at how jolly and talkative a group of really unattractive thick people who i considered to be below me were.
So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.
I personally believe hiding themselves is common sense and that deficient people are just fooling themselves...
I am interesting to learn of your opinions...
So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.
I personally believe hiding themselves is common sense and that deficient people are just fooling themselves...
I am interesting to learn of your opinions...
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So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.
I personally believe hiding themselves is common sense and that deficient people are just fooling themselves...
I am interesting to learn of your opinions... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, i bet they're all **** transexual anti-capitalist vegetarians as well.
<span style='color:white'>That thread was locked for a REASON, Zazi.</span>
Dont feed the troll people. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm quite a self obsessed person - i know that if i were a girl and looked like lots of the girls i know - then i would be too ashamed to leave my house - yet these people are much happier than I am .. I just wondering if you think this is right...
<b>I'm quite a self obsessed person</b> - i know that if i were a girl and looked like lots of the girls i know - then i would be too ashamed to leave my house - yet these people are much happier than I am .. I just wondering if you think this is right... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, at least you're honest. That's a start.
I'm quite a self obsessed person - i know that if i were a girl and looked like lots of the girls i know - then i would be too ashamed to leave my house - yet these people are much happier than I am .. I just wondering if you think this is right... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html' target='_blank'>Do you recognise this guy?</a>
so, you're jealous of ugly people because they are happier than you. Well you're most certainly not making any friends here, so get off the computer and go outside. You are rather Insane arent you?
Good point - take the case of that Superman guy - would you have committed suicide i would have. With Hawkins the same applies - i could never live with myself to have a public personality if i looked like that.
So basicly you're saying you're a shallow bastard? THAT R AWESOME.
So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.
I personally believe hiding themselves is common sense and that deficient people are just fooling themselves...
I am interesting to learn of your opinions... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your grammar and spelling are HORRENDOUS. Therefore, I consider you beneath me.
You should not be confident and proud of yourself. Hide your existence from the world.
That is all.
Better than 50% of attractiveness, in my opinion, is in how a person carries him/herself and interacts with others. The most beautiful woman in the world will turn heads wherever she goes, but if she opens her mouth and is sullen, sour, and unpleasant, you'll quickly not want to hang around with her. And a homely person who is always upbeat, smiling, and friendly will make friends in spite of his/her appearance.
I'm a swing dancer, and in my opinion the swing community is a perfect example of people looking deeper than face value. Some of my favorite people in the community aren't "attractive" by the standards of the general public, but they are amazing dancers and wonderful people and I wouldn't trade them for anyone. Similarly, there are some beautiful and talented dancers who carry way too much attitude around with them... and I find them profoundly unpleasant - unattractive - for that reason.
A person is as happy as he/she is... you must be fantastically conceited if you believe you can decide for people whether they even deserve to be happy, if you can assign this or that individual as "deficient." You are in no way deficient if *you* feel your life is fulfilling.
Frankly, I'd look at a mirror if I were you, and see if I could figure out why I'm apparently so bitter at the rest of the world. First vegetarians, now people you consider "deficient"... frankly, I've met a lot of "unattractive" people with whom I'd much rather spend time.
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And by the way, if this turns into a ranting, myopic shout-fest like the vegetarian thread, it'll get locked, too. This is, as I said, the DISCUSSION forum.
He's one of the most intelligent people alive today. Please dont post anymore, you obviously dont know what you are talking about.
[along with the fact Zazi shouldn't bring up the locked thread to produce retorts in this one...]
So, how about we focus on the:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not a particulary extroverted person however speak reasonably confidently and with authority when prompted. I was in a conversation yesterday where i was told that remaining quiet when you have the capacity to be loud is as a result of a lack of confidence. I was then asked to look at how jolly and talkative a group of really unattractive thick people who i considered to be below me were.
So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
part?
However, I think this is a poorly-founded query and should be amended to make more sense. Because beauty is in the eye of the beholder (which is actually a paraphrase of a much better quote...but whatever). As is intelligence and popularity. Well, intelligence can usually be classified but there exists different kinds of intelligence. So, inherently, 'thick-headed' people will also depend on who is doing the observing.
[There's also the fact of equality in mankind that, while many people don't respect it, should be looked into in this case and I don't think you're giving thought to. That is, no one should be 'below you' on a oppurtunity to accomplish scale.]
A more fitting question would be:
Should obnoxious extroverts be alerted to their ignorance and misinformation, or should they be reconciled and attempted to be made to better people (however subjective that may be); and if they can't be 'fixed', what should we do with them?
Here's a little wake up call to your "life." While you're struggling with basic algebra(that is something like x - 2 = 4... then x =?) and finding a better way to flip burgers, Mr. Hawking calculates the way earth bends the fabric of space... in his HEAD.
Now, please shut up.
Another competant question would be: "It's it a flaw with the human race that many unsuccessful or undesirable or unintelligent people usually end up with the most extroverted attitudes?" Except that really has no factual support in the first place.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dukem+Oct 21 2004, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dukem @ Oct 21 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am - but its a shallow world - everything deep or emotional is simply man-made. When you look at Steven Hawkins you certainly don't see a hero or someone to aspire to. You might really respect the way he's lived his life - but personally - i just pitty him. Is that a life?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now, to this: Aside from me not believing the almost entirely theoretical evidence proposed by Hawking in numerous subjects, I think Hawking's theories in a lot of cases are flawed or far too theoretical. Especially the 11 dimensions of the universe and other things. Or maybe it was just the fact the books he puts out for the public never seem to have mathematical evidence and just jabber on.
However, he deserves no more pity or respect than the next man until he has contributed to society in an important way. The way Einstein is recognized for his developments in the theory of relativity and the photoelectric effect, but is also well known for his pacifism and part in the Manhattan project. And the general story of his life.
The same way Newton is well know for his effect into, coincidently enough, Newton's laws of motion or his work with light. Then everyone seems to gloss over the fact that his published works were intended for only the upper, noble classes (which, would really mean: most people in Physics classes today shouldn't be learning what he discovered).
Now, I think calling all fire-fighters and police officers a cop out. It's just kind of shallow to say: these people put out fires - so they're the greatest. While there's always more to it than that. Perhaps they missed out on college, or perhaps it was their life's dream to put out fires/arrest criminals. However, you get more real heroes when you get to an actual fire fighter, or teacher (or physicist) who teaches themself, or notices something no one else did or overcomes some great obstacle. However, my view differs from a lot of people. I don't see any reason why any movie stars should be considered heroes in their own right. Usually they have misinformed, self-centered opinions relating to their own works and it's really annoying (or they push their views into their movies; thanks Mel Gibson).
I'd guess Tom Hanks would be someone to use as a hero. As would Einstein, Karl Marx (if that's your direction), Copernicus, Socrates, Marcus Aurelius, Jesus of Nazareth, Yamamoto, Cyrus of Persia, Lincoln, Goethe, Thoreau (woot, conflicting viewpoints) - although he seems like he'd be kind of...angering...in reality, Poe, et cetera.
You should pick your heroes based off of your experiences and your aspirations. For those who are poor in decision making processes (that'd be: children), give them as many options as you can that aren't the cartoon characters or movies stars. Now....how this relates to the original question...I'm not sure, but there it is.
Dont feed the troll people. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
quote for emphasis.
Mr. Hawkings is a great example. To you, he is physically poorly equipped. To him, you are "thick". Now, which one of you should be more confident? or should the universe simultaneously explode and implode?
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So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.
I personally believe hiding themselves is common sense and that deficient people are just fooling themselves...
I am interesting to learn of your opinions... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your grammar and spelling are HORRENDOUS. Therefore, I consider you beneath me.
You should not be confident and proud of yourself. Hide your existence from the world.
That is all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
pwnt.
By the way, it's "equipped," not "equipt."
"I am interesting to learn of your opinions"?
You may be interesting, but I don't think you'll be learning my opinion today, thanks.
Also, you may want to sit down and think about this one a bit, before you jump to conclusions.
Look in the mirror, son.
And coil's holding back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was going to say something really mean, but I won't as long as the Mods promise to lock this topic.
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x5's sig quote of the week. (thanx I was needing one)
That's what the discussion forum is about. I'm sick of whiny nitpicking; hit him where it matters, or don't hit him at all.
And you can bet I'll be back in here later tonight to post my thoughts on this misguided young man's opinions.
So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your grammar and spelling are HORRENDOUS. Therefore, I consider you beneath me.
You should not be confident and proud of yourself. Hide your existence from the world.
That is all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quoted for posterity.
but you're going to kepp on about how they shouldn't have confidence in themselves because you dont like them, so whatever
That's what the discussion forum is about. I'm sick of whiny nitpicking; hit him where it matters, or don't hit him at all.
And you can bet I'll be back in here later tonight to post my thoughts on this misguided young man's opinions. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, there isn't much to discuss or be constructive about, really.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dukem+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dukem)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So this is the question - should poorly equipt people (in any respect) be confidence and proud of themselves or should they try and hide their existence from the world.
I personally believe hiding themselves is common sense and that deficient people are just fooling themselves...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This line of thought would be fair enough if being "poorly equipt" by one person's standards is shameful or bad, and that ugly/stupid people have no right to happiness. However, none of that is true.
I shouldn't even need to type this out. :/
I'm not sure that there is actually that much to discuss or deconstruct. What he's essentially saying is that some people are better than others and that society should reflect this hierarchy. There's very little evidence that this point of view reflects reality. Either you agree or disagree.
If you can find more, feel free to disseminate.