Christopher Reeve Dead
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<div class="IPBDescription">RIP Superman :(</div> <a href='http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/9888251.htm?1c' target='_blank'>http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/enter.../9888251.htm?1c</a>
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Super edit: I <b>could</b> see the Miami Herald article, and now I can't. Fourth article added
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<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/11/obit.reeve.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/...e.ap/index.html</a>
<a href='http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6223386/' target='_blank'>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6223386/</a>
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Super edit: I <b>could</b> see the Miami Herald article, and now I can't. Fourth article added
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This is a sad loss. Good thing stem cells have been outlawed.
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This is a sad loss. Good thing stem cells have been outlawed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He will be truely missed. He was a role model to people that had suffered accidents that handicapped them severly. He was making some progress, with being able to move a few spots on his body on his own. And thank god a research that could cure so many nervous system illnesses has been outlawed, we don't want crippled people being able to walk again, do we?
Hate it when that happens.
he died as the real superman
rest in peace chris
SALUTE!
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<a href='http://www.chp.ca/arc-CHP-Communique/CHPCOMM_Aug20_2001.htm' target='_blank'>you will not be missed by me sir</a>
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Scientists have been doing adult stem cell research for a decade, while experiments with embryonic cells only started in 1998. The most progress -- and the most promising treatments so far -- have come from using adult stem cells, not those from embryos, say Drs. Arnold Glueck and Robert Chihak.
(Michael Arnold Glueck, M.D., of Newport Beach, Calif., writes on medical, legal, disability and mental health reform. Robert J. Cihak, M.D., of Aberdeen, Wash., is president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Both are Harvard trained diagnostic radiologists who write numerous commentaries and articles for newspapers, newsletters, magazines and journals nationally and internationally.)
At this time, they add, any hopes for possible cures from embryonic stem cells are still science fiction. Indeed, some experiments with fetal tissue implanted in the brains of Parkinson's Disease sufferers turned horribly wrong. According to reports earlier this year, the stem cells began to develop into hair and bone -- inside patients brains! Those patients were worse off than they were before the treatment !
Yet most of the media clamor about stem-cell research -- including heart-tugging interviews with Superman actor Christopher Reeves -- paints opponents of embryonic stem cell research as heartless monsters who want to deny Superman a chance to walk again.
Why the blatant bias?
There is reason to believe that a ban on embryonic stem-cell research(or as in the USA, a limitation to 60 lines of stem-cells) would actually be good news for actor Reeves and other para- and quadriplegics: such a limitation on the use of cells from embryos will actually spur further research on the most promising field: adult stem cells. Such cells have been recovered from bone marrow, and even from fat. At McGill University in Montréal, researchers have been able to recover stem cells from skin. Stem cells from the patient's own fat or skin have two enormous advantages over embryonic stem cells:
1 - the patient s immune system will not reject them;
2 - it s not necessary to destroy a human being to get them.
In addition, umbilical cord blood offers a resource that has not been fully researched. So why the bias in favour of embryonic stem cell research?
The media bias in favour of embryonic stem cell research is actually attributable to a pro-abortion mentality, determined to oppose any thought or action that might lead to recognition of the humanity and personhood of the pre-born child.
Reeves is being exploited by pro-abortion fanatics who want to label the embryo as a legitimate target for search-and-destroy missions, organ harvesting, or anything else that sane people find repugnant when applied to human beings.
What does the media find so offensive about embryos? They're the most helpless members of the human family; pro-abortion ideologues don't want that fact recognized, because it could one day limit their right to kill inconvenient babies.
Now, let' s get back to legitimate research.
By RON GRAY
CHP National Leader
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<a href='http://http://www.detnews.com/2002/editorial/0204/28/a17-476161.htm' target='_blank'>Still none</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Adult stem cell research holds more scientific promise for cures
Should embryonic cloning research be banned?
By James Kelly / Special to The Detroit News
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"For the last seven years, I have not been able to eat, wash, go to the bathroom or get dressed by myself. Some people are able to accept living with a severe disability. I am not one of them."
Thus spoke actor Christopher Reeve at a recent Senate hearing. I couldn't agree more. I also have a cervical spinal cord injury and share some of Reeve's symptoms. I also want to find a cure for spinal cord injuries, as do many of the 300,000 Americans who have this condition.
Unfortunately, my agreement ends there. Reeve claims embryonic stem cells taken from cloned human embryos are needed to cure spinal cord injuries and other illnesses. He made misleading claims to support this contention:
* "In my own case, I require remyelination of nerves (their recoating with insulation). ... At the moment, only embryonic stem cells have the potential to do that, and experiments are being done now in larger animals demonstrating that."
But the research clearly shows otherwise. For example, Japanese researchers have recoated rats' spinal cords using adult bone marrow stem cells. Neural stem cells (from adults) have been successfully used to recoat tissue in the central nervous system in animal models in France, England, Japan, and at the University of Wisconsin. Adult cells found in the nose have been widely reported to cause nervous system recoating upon transplantation.
After years of successful animal tests, researchers and doctors at Yale are already treating two human patients suffering multiple sclerosis by using coating cells taken from their own peripheral nerves.
* "Efforts to repair central nervous system disorders may need to recapitulate the process of fetal development. And that can only be accomplished by human (embryonic stem) cells."
The first statement may be correct -- although many studies using adult stem cells, or no stem cells, have led to functional improvements after spinal cord injuries in both animals and humans. But Dr. Maureen Condic's peer-reviewed work at the University of Utah has shown that adult neurons can be induced into an embryonic regenerative state without using embryonic or fetal tissue. And Dr. Anton Usala, a noted diabetes researcher, has shown in a human pilot study that certain adult tissues will regenerate using an embryonic process without embryonic or fetal tissue when exposed to an artificial embryonic-like extracellular scaffolding.
* "Why do we need therapeutic cloning? As a layman, several important reasons come to mind: One, implantation of human embryonic stem cells is not safe unless they contain the patient's own DNA. ... So without the ability to use my own DNA, without that somatic cell transfer, I'm out of luck."
Several well-designed studies have clearly shown that our bodies contain easily accessible adult stem cells capable of maturing into virtually every crucial cell type, including neurons and a vital central nervous system cell type. And when taken from the patient, these cells all contain the patient's DNA.
So exactly what do we need cloning and embryonic stem cells for?
America's disabled and the public are being flagrantly misled concerning the immediate and long-range therapeutic potential of cloning. I have no doubt that Reeve wants to get out of his wheelchair as badly as I want to walk away from mine, but regarding this issue he is sadly misinformed.
The tragedy is that valuable public and private research funds may end up being diverted to basic embryonic stem cell and cloning research with little clinical potential, to the detriment of proven and further developed avenues that could help both of us during our lifetimes. If that happens, Reeve will have more to answer for than the destruction of some embryos.
Yes
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Why? Why? Why? Why?
I was waiting for the day he can walk again. At only 52, what a sad day.
While this is fascinating material for educated arguments, I'd suggest actually moving any possible discussion of it to its own thread, probably in the discussion forum. This thread is basically to say 'aww, Christopher Reeve is dead, that's sad.'
On that note:
Aww, Christopher Reeve is dead. That's sad. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but now eminem can't crack jokes like "roll up on you like christopher reeve's"
nothing good comes from that yayo
but back to Christopher Reeves
nothing good comes from that yayo
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It's spelled llelo actually, yayo is just a dumb misspelling by rap artists.
Anyway, that freakin sucks... there goes another advocate for stem cells. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
christopher reeve was a sort of hero of mine, so much perciverance, determination, spirit. he truly was a great man. *sigh* such is life, the good are forced to suffer while the evil flourish. (not naming any names *cough* Comprox *cough* )
i suppose the superman curse lives on? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
( you know i wub you Comprox )
*salute*
fare thee well
...Flayra? *GASP*
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...Flayra? *GASP*
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Might not be natural causes to that'un either. Some crazed fan/stalker/forlorn might come and try to have his babies while he is asleep. Then he's done for.