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HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
Here are the rules:

1. You CANNOT put down a puzzle or riddle of your own unless you are the one to correctly answer the latest puzzle or riddle first.

2. Follow rule #1.

I'll start. This is a good one for all you math sharpies out there. (Extra points if you can figure out a formula that will solve this for you without having exhausted all possibilities.)

How many different tetrahedrons can be produced by coloring each face a solid color and using n different colors? (Two tetrahedrons are the same if they can be turned and placed side by side so that corresponding sides match in color.)

How many cubes with n colors?

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  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
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    How many different tetrahedrons can be produced by coloring each face a solid color and using n different colors? (Two tetrahedrons are the same if they can be turned and placed side by side so that corresponding sides match in color.)

    How many cubes with n colors? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    12 possibilities (the question is a bit vague so it may or may not be right depending on interpretation)

    edit: I took a really weird interpretation on this one so answers may vary.


    Riddle:

    Top to bottom. What is the next row?

    1
    11
    21
    1211
    111221
    312211
    13112221

    Answer:
    it is in my profile listed as my website.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    edited September 2004
    Wasn't the right answer. The answer will vary based on the number of colors. N will be in the answer somewhere. Try again.

    My mistake if the question is a little vague. Supposing you have n colors, how many different variations of tetrahedrons can you have such that you cannot take another tetrahedron and rotate it to look like it. Assuming repeating colors is possible. In others painting one tetrahedron half yellow and half blue will yield 1 unique tetrahedron. Paint another one half blue and then half blue rotated around will be the same one, thus it is not unique and isn't counted. Make sense?

    *EDIT * I hope I explained this better */EDIT*
  • 0blique0blique Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16477Members
    edited September 2004
    Since in a tetrahedron, all sides are touching all the others, the only things that matters is the number of colours, not their order. I'm not sure about a formula for this, so I'll have to take cases:

    Case 1: All colours are different

    You can choose C(n,4) colours. (which is n!/((n-4)!(4)!)).

    Case 2: 3 different colours are chosen (1 repeating colour).

    You can choose C(n,3) colours. The last colour can be any one of the 3, so you have a total of 3C(n,3)

    Case 2: 2 different colours are chosen: 2 sub possibilities:

    Subcase i: 1 colour is used for the other faces

    In this case, you have 2C(n,2), since there are different colours you can use.

    Subcase ii: 2 colours are used for the other faces

    In this case, there is only C(n,2) possibilities, since you have no choice as to which colours you use.

    The total for this case is then 3C(n,2).

    Case 3: Only 1 colour is picked

    In this case, you have C(n,1) or just n possibilities.

    So the sum is C(n,4) + 3C(n,3) + 3C(n,2) + C(n,1).

    I'm guessing, though that this can be written a little differently, since it looks like a binomial expansion.

    I'm guessing it will look a little like:

    s
    Sigma [C(s-1,j-1)][C(n,j)]
    j=1

    where s is the number of sides.

    This should give the right sum for 4 sides. For more than that, it probably won't work unless you have every side toughing each other. So you'll need to have an s-1 dimensional solid.

    I'm not sure about the cube yet, but I think I have a rough idea of how it works. If it comes to me, I'll be to post it.

    EDIT: fixed some spelling.
    2nd EDIT: Since it seems that you can have mirror images of the tetrahedron (which will yield identically coloured tetrahedrons but will not match in orientation), it appears my answer is wrong.
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