What If Nvidia Went Out Of Buisness?
Har_Har_the_Pirate
Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">hmmmmmm</div> what do you guys think would happen to the video card market if Nvidia went out of buisness? I saw an article in i belive the wall street journal about Nvidia's financial trouble a while back. (could have been new york times, in which case i belive the findings could be nill)
but what would happen to the video card advancements? do you think we would see any great technical strides like we did between fx and 6800 and 9800 and x800? or do you think that we would go into a slow technical advance similar to when Nvidia was king?
I was just wondering, i believe it would suck if the went out of buisness because lack of competition scares me.... cough cough,..microsoft cough etc cough
but what would happen to the video card advancements? do you think we would see any great technical strides like we did between fx and 6800 and 9800 and x800? or do you think that we would go into a slow technical advance similar to when Nvidia was king?
I was just wondering, i believe it would suck if the went out of buisness because lack of competition scares me.... cough cough,..microsoft cough etc cough
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hmmmm, never seen anything on em really (heard of em, but still not much) but that got me thinking are they the next big vid card company
3dfx-nvidia-ati-?xgi?
I prefer to talk about buisness eventualities when they are acctaully probable, after all Nvidea still sells more cards than ATI, and there last super card beat out ATI's
That being said, I think the biggest knowticable change would be a drop in the technology jumps between card series, and a major jump in the price of ATI cards.
Wow, I've never heard of this company before... That card sounds impressive... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I blame it on the fact theyre a newer company
<img src='http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/xgi-volari/games/ut_antalus_1024.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
They sounded so promising too... Oh well XGI, keep on plugging <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
its the 5200 fx thats so bad..
So is this it?
The closes thing to a competitor to ATi and nVidia.
This card was supposed to go up against the Radeon 9800 XT and GeForce FX 5950 Ultra.
Unfortunatly it failed horribly.
The closes thing to a competitor to ATi and nVidia.
This card was supposed to go up against the Radeon 9800 XT and GeForce FX 5950 Ultra.
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yeah, 3 screens is nice though <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> , imagine if they actually get it when you can see on ur sides in 3d games ala flight simulator hooked up witht the parahelia <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So is this it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That and every ATI price range equivialent smacked its FX compeditor...
Remember, competition is good for us consumers.
nVidia does this with EVERY card. Why? For the same reason Pentiums are more popular then AMDs, and for the same reason people are still buying Alienware.
<b>Because people are stupid.</b>
AMDs offer more power, but people buy Pentiums because they see a bigger number on it, and are too damned stupid to do research and compare the two. AMDs are more powerful then Pentiums. But since lusers just look at one number and think 'bigger = better'. This number has, unfortunately, become standardized for beta tests and such, so my AMD 2800, which easilly beats out a Pentium 2.8 GHz, only clocks at 2.0-something GHz. That's nearly 1000 Hz cycles I'm 'losing out' on because I didn't buy a Pentium.
Likewise nVidia cards will sacrafice processing power to boost frame rates. They take a variety of shortcuts - rounding numbers to short decimals, chopping and simplifying lighting algorithms... all of this will reducing processing power - and graphical quality - just to boost frames. Since nVidia <b>knows</b> people are utter morons, it knows they will only look at a review that says 'FRAME RATE COMPARISONS'. Again, people are stupid and think frames are everything. They're not. I've compared two shots in Doom 3 with an nVidia card and an ATi card. The frame rates were higher on the nVidia card... but it was full of graphical artifacts, corruption, and lower quality.
Alienware. Alienware computers are garbage. They're retail parts at 250% MSRP stuffed in and "Custom Tweaked". You know what custom tweaks are? They go into the bios, they'll up your clock speed a bit, increase voltage, and set your card to AGP 8x. In other words, they've done very little you can't do yourself in about 20 minutes. Support? Who the hell needs support. If I need computer support with HARDWARE, then I know either 1) I have no idea what the hell I'm doing anymore, or 2) The hardware is trash. However, because they fill their site with buzzwords and hype, stick a massive price tag on it, people who know NOTHING about computers go out and buy these things because they think a big price tag means better quality (It doesn't - alienware doesn't manufacture ANYTHING except the custom designed cases. Everything is retail), and that it's somehow 'better' in a way.
PCs are a lot like cars. If I want to buy a piece of crap but make everyone think it's really really great, I buy a Honda Civic, or a Pentium/nVidia. If I want to actually get something done, I'll go buy a pickup truck with a hitch, or an AMD/ATi card. The pickup might be slower, but it sure as hell does a lot more work then the Civic.
Likewise nVidia cards will sacrafice processing power to boost frame rates. They take a variety of shortcuts - rounding numbers to short decimals, chopping and simplifying lighting algorithms... all of this will reducing processing power - and graphical quality - just to boost frames. Since nVidia <b>knows</b> people are utter morons, it knows they will only look at a review that says 'FRAME RATE COMPARISONS'. Again, people are stupid and think frames are everything. They're not. I've compared two shots in Doom 3 with an nVidia card and an ATi card. The frame rates were higher on the nVidia card... but it was full of graphical artifacts, corruption, and lower quality.
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i think we all remember you taking a pic of a g 4 ti 4200 and comparing it to the top of the line ATI while i agree with much of what you said you also are piling up crap in ur arguments
someone else stateds it, the screen was the exact one someone else posted in another thread, i searched for it but couldnt find it, and the 5200 was not made to compete with the 9800 IMHO because the 5200 was about 80 bucks and 9800 180, sure you could find a 5200 for 180 bucks but you can also find a 9800 for 300
5200 can't even compete with gf3's. and those are cheaper.
So is this it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That and every ATI price range equivialent smacked its FX compeditor... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The 5950 ultra (Highest geforce before the 6000 series) was 150 more than my radeon 9800 I believe and my 9800 performs only 1-3 fps less =)
And if you read EEK's entire post you would see why.
Oh and EEK is the greatest. Member. On these forums. Ever.
AMDs offer more power, but people buy Pentiums because they see a bigger number on it, and are too damned stupid to do research and compare the two. AMDs are more powerful then Pentiums. But since lusers just look at one number and think 'bigger = better'. This number has, unfortunately, become standardized for beta tests and such, so my AMD 2800, which easilly beats out a Pentium 2.8 GHz, only clocks at 2.0-something GHz. That's nearly 1000 Hz cycles I'm 'losing out' on because I didn't buy a Pentium. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I went with Pentium and an Intel motherboard in my latest PC purely because this was my first case build and there didn't seem to be many compatability problems. Plus I knew I was getting a Motherboard and Processer combo that would work. Plus the Intel motherboard monitor is very useful.
But thats just me....