Coming from behind
SoulSkorpion
Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
<div class="IPBDescription">How?</div>Disclaimer: I am not bitching. If this come across as bitching, sorry. I'd genuinely like to know how to do this <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->.
I've played a few hours of NS so far (about ten in two days <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> ) mostly as Kharaa. I realised pretty much from the start that they're not just reskinned marines, and that the fighting style is different. Fine, not a problem. I can see that in the early stages when the marines have only light armour it's relatively easy to kill them with skulks. I've also found that it's not impossible to take out heavy armour\gren launcher\hmg marines using a carapice, cloaking fade.
The problem is, how do you take out heavy armour, hmg marines using a skulk? Its seems to be an inherent flaw in the RTS genre that once one side starts falling behind in the resources and the other side gains a monopoly the losing side is royally screwed.
I know you don't go head-to-head. I realise you're meant to hit-and-run them, but how exactly do you hold off four marines wearing heavy armour carryinh heavy machineguns attacking your hive (with no offense chambers) with only a skulk?
I've played a few hours of NS so far (about ten in two days <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> ) mostly as Kharaa. I realised pretty much from the start that they're not just reskinned marines, and that the fighting style is different. Fine, not a problem. I can see that in the early stages when the marines have only light armour it's relatively easy to kill them with skulks. I've also found that it's not impossible to take out heavy armour\gren launcher\hmg marines using a carapice, cloaking fade.
The problem is, how do you take out heavy armour, hmg marines using a skulk? Its seems to be an inherent flaw in the RTS genre that once one side starts falling behind in the resources and the other side gains a monopoly the losing side is royally screwed.
I know you don't go head-to-head. I realise you're meant to hit-and-run them, but how exactly do you hold off four marines wearing heavy armour carryinh heavy machineguns attacking your hive (with no offense chambers) with only a skulk?
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I dunno exactly, but I think the only good tip I can give you is using defense chambers. Try to hit and run back to the chambers, so you can heal quickly, but I have to admit that its really hard to fight as a skulk against such powerful equipped marines.
For HMG marines, you're best off with a cloak-carapaced fade assault from behind with that nasty set of cutters.
Either way, if the guy's in heavy armor, you're best off attacking with a buddy; maybe a skulk to run around and confuse him, or a gorge to lead him into an ambush, or another fade to double the cutting speed.
If you see more than one marine in heavy armor, wet your flesh and kiss your hive goodbye, because you've let them keep too many resources.
You can also expect less turret farms since the turrets cost so damn much. Heavy Armor is also pretty expensive, so you'll start seeing more balanced fireteams.
Anyway, here's how to use the skulk. Do you see those little vents and crawlspaces scattered around the map. Those lead EVERYWHERE. If you see marines ahead, you can usually jump into a nearby vent and pop out of a vent not too far behind them. It also helps if you've parasited those marines so you know exactly when and where to pop out.
Once you get behind them, if they're going to attack a base, wait until they start the attack and engage the offensive chambers, then rush in behind and chomp away while they're distracted. If they're just moving along for another purpose, use hit and run where you pick the weakest troop in there kill him then run into another vent and pop out somewhere else to attack the next weakest. When you're down to that heavy armor, I'd really suggest that you do 2-3 bites, then run, more if they're not paying attention to you at all.
1. Get level 3 carapace (celerity is also suggested)
2. Wait in ambush on the ceiling
3. Jump down and run circles around them biting randomly.
You should never expect to take out a group of heavy marines alone. Bring a friend to magnify the carnage.
As for coming from behind, your team couldn't hold on to even footing, how logical is it to expect them to fight from a disadvantage?
The Kharaa are no fun to play. =( They always seem to be fighting a losing battle...
first i thought that the game was badly unbalanced but by playing more and more (about 8 hours a day <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo--> ) i have managed to create some tactics that help with the kharaa.
in the end when both teams know how to play as a team the sides are pretty balanced. of course the marines still have a little advance but thats nothing
edit: agree all that mio says...as alien you just need skill and will <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> or something
Cost of a Skulk: 0
Upgrades: 0 to 6
Total: 0 to 6 rps per skulk.
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Cost of a Marine: 0
Cost of Heavy Armor: 20 rps
Cost of Heavy Weapon: 20 to 30 rps
TOTAL: 40 to 50 resources.
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Basically, a Marine toting all that equipment has to kill AT LEAST 6 to 8 skulks before he has paid for himself.
This game is an RTS.
Would you expect a zergling to kill a siege tank in Starcraft? didn't think so.. . . .
My tactic is to hid above where marines would walk (and be sure its at least 2 skulks above the doorway) and they run by, wait 2~3 seconds (for backup lagging behind) and hit them and run...
oh yeah, this isnt doom. Strafe+hop
ok lets pick another rts....warcraft 3.
how do ne or ud or orcs or humans win a game you are losing bad? Its hard. Just like in this game. You can win, but good luck. How do the marines win when they are losing bad? I've played a game where the marines were fighting ownos's with only shotguns. They lost 5 seconds later.