Focus Fade?

SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
making one again...

Should I get focus for fade or not in co_

This has lately been one of my bigget things...

With focus i usually get better score, but loose the power for real killing

Without you have trouble killing rines in groups and also those hmg lvl3 because you have to do blink/swipe quite a many times....


All says that real pro-fade goes without focus?

And also what to do with the overleft point then? silence?
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members Posts: 2,254
    yes take focus its there for a reason. and that is to kill marines more effeciently. u dont need to swipe many times, swipe once and retreat. continue until marines=dead.
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  • MorphsMorphs Join Date: 2004-07-05 Member: 29733Members Posts: 18
    As a fade I like focus. At start/midgame non-focus will do but later on you simply want to land hits and if you can land 2 in one swipe that's better. Besides, running around swiping between those HMG's is too risky.

    Since beta 5 I'm a fan of redemption. Carapace and redemption make an interesting combination on the fade. You don't have to worry about your escape. Just make sure that you don't receive too much damage at a time in a fight so redemption will do its work. This will prevent the marines from getting upgrades while wasting their ammo, this works quite depressing as well.

    With this combination, do _not_ use regeneration as regeneration will actually make redemption less useful. This is because regen will heal your health while in a fight, so you're losing armor but little health. Before your health drops below 40% you have no more armor so your health will drop too fast for redemption to work.

    You can spend the point from regen on meta for instance, so you can heal faster once you're pulled back to the hive. This also allows for healing when you're lightly damaged. SoF would be another option for better hunting.

    That leaves one final point to spend. Personally I use it on Celerity to further enhance the fades speed (thus increasing redemption chance). Silence can work too in combination with SoF to attack the rines from behind.

    So I'd suggest you try the following fade build (in no particular order):
    3 points for fade
    Carapace
    Redemption
    Focus
    Celerity
    Metabolize / Scent of Fear

    Try this build. Get focus around level 6 and swipe away smile-fix.gif
  • crisanocrisano Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31152Members Posts: 366
    edited September 2004
    Personally as a fade I never get redemption because it ruins my hit-run momentum that I develop when I run into a squad of marines. What I usually do is just blink in, swipe on average two times, and blink out to regen back the hp I have. Even without regen at first, I still blink out just so the marine will finish wasting his clip and start reloading. The more often you blink around, the less of a chance you will get hit which also means the less of a chance you'll die. I prefer focus as a fade later on because by that time, marines will have level 2-3 weapons and atleast level 1 armor plus resupply so I prefer to blink in, hit a marine once to kill off his armor, then blink out. Repeat but this time 1 focus swipe will kill a 100hp/0ap marine.

    Order of upgrades:
    (3) Fade
    (1) Regen
    (1) Metab
    (2) Focus *
    (1) Carapace *
    (1) Cel or SoF, depending on how many ninja JP/SG marines there are.

    * The order of these two upgrades depends on how fast I'm leveling up compared to marines.
  • DantemssDantemss Join Date: 2003-12-13 Member: 24305Members Posts: 304
    Focus fades can kill any non-ha marine in 2 hits. Very useful against JPs.
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  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members Posts: 2,246
    For anything short of an onos, I'd recommend getting either focus or the hive 3 ability (even both!). You need one of the two to deal with jp effectively, and since acid rockets don't cut it, you want focus.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
    forget focus, get third hice skill and go Acid rocket spamming, sure your scoreboard won't be all that amazing, but it really bugs the marines and isn't half bad at killing them if your a good shot
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  • BuggyBuggy Join Date: 2003-11-08 Member: 22400Members, Constellation Posts: 972
    Combat is kind of pointless without focus...

    Which is saying a lot because it's such a wank abilitiy as well.

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  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation Posts: 2,192
    Pros of focus:

    1. Higher damage.
    2. One hit kills.

    Cons of focus:

    1. Requires better timing or lots of running.
    2. Forces you to focus on targets instead of generally causing damage.

    There are probably more, but these are the ones of importance for this thread. Basically, if you don't have to get focus then don't. Overall I believe you still score the same amount of damage over time with focus's delay. Focus becomes useful when marine tech gets high enough to challenge your lifeform and there are jetpacks to deal with.
  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members Posts: 502
    You pretty much have to get focus cus as soon as skilled JP'rs come along (and yes they will have resuply) killing them without focus is just too difficult.

    As far I light armour and HA and prefer not to have focus especially if you catch em alone you can inflict more damage quickly, plus you can get some other upgrades to play around with.

    But sorry, for skilled Jp'r u need focus.

    fade
    cara
    cele
    regen
    focus
    adren

    it doesnt really matter what order, for example if there are few or no sgs when I fade I would take cele first but it all depends on the situation.
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver Posts: 4,381 Advanced user
    I always use focus as fade.

    Why?
    You can do more dmg in one swipe, since you can't swipe that fast it means you will MOVE when not swiping which will keep you like.. alive.

    basicly put, more dmg a swipe, less swipes, more time to blink, more times to retry attacks = win win.

    non focus:
    gotta hit more for same dmg.
    gotta swipe more which takes time blink could use. (I aint that good that I can ALWAYS blink, swipe and still be in blink)
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  • Alien_ChutniAlien_Chutni Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31636Members Posts: 6
    I HATE FOCUS ON FADE- not coz its not effective but im just utter crap with it, but i find it gd with lerk lerk.gif and onos tiny.gif
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
    QUOTE (keep it *G*angsta @ Sep 16 2004, 04:48 AM)

    fade
    cara
    cele
    regen
    focus
    adren

    it I would take cele first but it all depends on the situation.


    Thats exactly what i take in bit different order. I also like meta more than adrn? (you tell me whats this thing that all those _really_good fades got adrn AND cele?...)

    Yes i have also came to conclusion that you just can`t do anything after 10minutes if you wont have focus. Jp`s are almost impossible due resupply/too good flight,hmg lvl3 just kills you and everyone over level7 is going to be quite hard.

    With focus you can just swipe and go mad for a second and swipe again usually killing everything.....

    So heres my fade, who has given me 50/40 5:

    fade naturally first
    cele, if no powerful sgs yet
    cara, cara/cele order depends on sgs
    Focus
    rege
    meta(why adrn instead of meta? tell me angsta??


    I usually have something like 5-7:1 with fade
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  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members Posts: 1,007
    Well I prefer to save for fade, then depending on how good of shots the rines are I'll either get carapace or save for focus, then get whichever I didn't, then go celerity, regen, motab.
    Smart thing of the moment:



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  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members Posts: 502
    Hmm, and I dont mean this as an insult but why do ppl get metabolize as fade in combat?

    If its cus you need leap for skulk to build up levels faster then fair enough. But a pure fade doesnt need meta.

    I prefer to attack then blink back to the hive to heal, I find it quicker. And also using meta means using a slot3 weapons which justs adds to difficulty, and I find having adren gives you that one or two extra blinks, or swipes at those annoying JP'rs. Bassically it jus makes is that much simpler and easier.

    by the way 50/40 is ok man

    Try
    100-6
    77-3
    56-0
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    (but we all know focus fade is easy)

    Ive actually been thinking about redemption instead of adrenalin now redemption is soo good, not that ive tried it yet but I think I will next time I play co
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
    Angsta thank you for saying it short. Now what you said is the point! with cele adrn ur in hive within 10s and with meta u sit around corner 20s...... THANK YOU
    Also with adrn everything is 3x easier......

    fade.gif

    referring to change your adrn to rede PLZ. you want them _really_ hate you.....
    Ye get it as lvl2 ugprd and you wont die _ever_ nerd-fix.gif

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  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members Posts: 1,007
    QUOTE (keep it *G*angsta @ Sep 18 2004, 12:51 AM)
    Hmm, and I dont mean this as an insult but why do ppl get metabolize as fade in combat?

    If its cus you need leap for skulk to build up levels faster then fair enough. But a pure fade doesnt need meta.

    I prefer to attack then blink back to the hive to heal, I find it quicker. And also using meta means using a slot3 weapons which justs adds to difficulty, and I find having adren gives you that one or two extra blinks, or swipes at those annoying JP'rs. Bassically it jus makes is that much simpler and easier.

    by the way 50/40 is ok man

    Try
    100-6
    77-3
    56-0
    nerd-fix.gif

    (but we all know focus fade is easy)

    Ive actually been thinking about redemption instead of adrenalin now redemption is soo good, not that ive tried it yet but I think I will next time I play co

    If you know what you're doing, matabolize is an amazing upgrade. Use of it mid-blink gives you more flight power, an addional 20hp, (which if timed right with regen can go straight into your armor), and keep you in the fight much longer than you'd think. Depending on the map, it's faster to matabolize and regen than it is to go back to the hive. Adren, in my opinion, is simply an upgrade to help fades that cannot manage their energy quite so well have a much easier time doing so. A "pure fade" as you call it can take meta and make it one of the most advantagious assets the fade has.
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  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members Posts: 502
    HEHE its different styles of play mate...


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  • Special_KSpecial_K Join Date: 2003-04-19 Member: 15637Members, Constellation Posts: 177
    Focus fade is boring. Its much more fun killing jps without focus and it forces your fading to improve.
  • Bob_hackrBob_hackr Join Date: 2004-09-20 Member: 31817Members Posts: 6
    I find that focus is nearly essential, I get drained far too quickly to do anything really effective in terms of damage or being able to blink in/out without running myself dry.
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