Mars & Venus
Hawkeye
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How are men and women different? I mean it is perfectly obvious that we're different, but could you define it in a clear definition for everyone to agree on? I mean obviously the physical anatomy is different, but that isn't everything. There are emotional, logical, and other reasons as well.
Women will whisper like..
Leader of girl group: "Here she comes..." as this girl starts walking up and say "Oh my god! It's Tiffany! Hey Tiffany! How are you doing!? It's good to see you again, oh my god! How long has it been? 3 years?! What's up girl?"
Tiffany: "Oh great! How are you? I'm taking school here getting my degree in business."
Leader of girl group: "That's great! Well we really should get to class, you know. Don't want to be late." Big beaming smile.
Tiffany: "Oh okay. Well good to see you again!"
Leader of girl group: "You too!" and as she walks away, she whispers to her other friends "She's a ****! I hate her so much! Ugh!"
This is typical female behavior. Here is the equivical guy conversation.
Guy1: "Get out of my face man. I hate you!"
Guy2: "No problem, man. Pleasure to leave your company."
And that would be it. Guys are much more straightforward, blunt, and above all else, honest. Women are very indirect, subtle, and deceiving. But these aren't the only differences.
I guess I'm biased being a guy myself, but I just don't understand women in general. Did I miss the "Women 101" class or something?
Women will whisper like..
Leader of girl group: "Here she comes..." as this girl starts walking up and say "Oh my god! It's Tiffany! Hey Tiffany! How are you doing!? It's good to see you again, oh my god! How long has it been? 3 years?! What's up girl?"
Tiffany: "Oh great! How are you? I'm taking school here getting my degree in business."
Leader of girl group: "That's great! Well we really should get to class, you know. Don't want to be late." Big beaming smile.
Tiffany: "Oh okay. Well good to see you again!"
Leader of girl group: "You too!" and as she walks away, she whispers to her other friends "She's a ****! I hate her so much! Ugh!"
This is typical female behavior. Here is the equivical guy conversation.
Guy1: "Get out of my face man. I hate you!"
Guy2: "No problem, man. Pleasure to leave your company."
And that would be it. Guys are much more straightforward, blunt, and above all else, honest. Women are very indirect, subtle, and deceiving. But these aren't the only differences.
I guess I'm biased being a guy myself, but I just don't understand women in general. Did I miss the "Women 101" class or something?
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It's not that hard to "understand women", really, as long as you understand people.
There are differences between the genders but in that particular case I think you're missing the nail and hammering the wood =s
<b>edit:</b> actually now that I read it again that first thing with the girls sounds like something out of a silly movie or teen girl squad while I guarantee that 'guy 2' would probably be more likely to say "yeah? well **** you too!!!" and then they'd stay there and argue for a while until one storms out or a fight breaks out XD
Seriously.
There are differences between the genders but in that particular case I think you're missing the nail and hammering the wood =s
<b>edit:</b> actually now that I read it again that first thing with the girls sounds like something out of a silly movie or teen girl squad while I guarantee that 'guy 2' would probably be more likely to say "yeah? well **** you too!!!" and then they'd stay there and argue for a while until one storms out or a fight breaks out XD <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I mean granted. I'm talking about the general case. There are exceptions to the rule. But most women I know keep secrets and grudges to themselves. They tell me about the things they know, and I wonder how they can keep track of everything.
I can quite happily find decietful men, blunt women, total perverts of either gender, innocents of either gender, the helpful, the selfish, the kind, the concieted...
I can't pretend to know for sure but I generally find trying to generalise over such things as sex or a great number of other factors tends to be a very very silly approach to people. They're simply too diverse for it to ever truely work beyond very simple things like 'all people breathe except for dead ones' XD
I like to think of myself as a little bit travelled having been several places in the world and meeting people from various cultures. One of the strangest friendships I made abroad was the one in belgium with a boy who didn't speak english. We couldn't communicate at all through words because of the language barrier but with funny little charades and demonstrations we got along pretty well. He showed me how to fish with a bunch of simple instruments (he used a bottle for his reel and oysters for bait) and other fun stuff ^^
Course I don't know how far you've travelled or how many people you've acquainted with so perhaps you have an equally broad spectrum of experiences with people? For some reason, however, your viewpoint makes me doubtful =o
There probably are psychological and social differences between the sexes and though I won't entertain the silly idea I know what they are I'll still quite happily point out the things I'm pretty darn dubious of.
Well, to contribute something to the thread...
Apparently there are some structural and processing differences across the genders. Womens brains fire more neurons whilst talking and men are generally better at spatial tasks (map reading, rotating objects mentally etc, though "Better" usually equates to a few seconds faster on average).
It is possible however to males to be born with "Female" brains and vice versa.
Also, your examples are flawed. I've met girls that would never shy away from a fight if they really hated a person (namely, my sister) and I've known guys that would rather lose face and avoid conflicts (me) though I'm partial to the occasional tussle if I'm on a short fuse.
There are some slight differences between the genders but it's not as bad as your making it out to be. At the very worst you've been encountering too many stereotypes in your daily routine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Men and women are different, and not just physically. It isn't PC to point out that the average man and average woman think differently, but I look down upon PC as a general rule.
NEX > PC.
If you read books like Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, you will understand that these differences do exist, and learn how to deal with them in a positive and enlightening manner.
I mean there are some things that a guy simply will NOT say (unless he is joking). Things like:
"Does this dress/suit make me look fat?"
"Well if you don't know, I certainly won't tell you!"
"Would you like to go to the bathroom with me?"
Why do you think that is? Give it to me that there are SOME diferences between men and women that aren't physical.
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Some people in my school are not like the sterotypical girl at all, in one case, i actually, honestly thought this person was a guy. I didn't find out until 2 months later <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[EDIT:] Hawkeye, isn't a stereotype just taking the average guy and average woman?
Dude, you oughta submit that to the NE Journal of Science or something. That theory could very well win you a nobel. All you need to do is right a paper on the subject with a catchy title like "On the subject of the implosive nature of the female genitalia." CWAG you're a genius!
1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.
3. The definition being used in this topic here and now.
So, if your definition is correct including the context it's being used in, Americans are all fat stupid dependent of fast foods and all support bush?
Or, Do all Australians say "Mate", "Bloody Ripper", crush beer cans on their heads ride kangaroos everywhere they go and live in a desert while wrestling crocodiles in swamps and yelling "CRIKEY!"?
There is no typical female behaviour just as there is no typical male behaviour. If there were psychologists would have nailed them a long time ago and you would simply not have the problems you have now.
I'm against political correctness myself but stereoyping is usually a bad thing unless used in the context of a joke.
Or, Do all Australians say "Mate", "Bloody Ripper", crush beer cans on their heads ride kangaroos everywhere they go and live in a desert while wrestling crocodiles in swamps and yelling "CRIKEY!"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This one would be pretty cool if it were true. I think only Steve Irwin falls under this category; my Australian stereotype:
People lounging in air conditioned flats, or in non air conditioned bars drinking beer. Then they'll come outside and drive down the road and hit a Kangaroo if they live anywhere buy Sydney.
I believe the Mars and Venus thing comes up do to something like the following: Mars is blood red (and named after a god of War), so it's associated with the agressiveness of men. Venus is the brightest object (aside from the moon and sun) in the sky, and is a non-threatning color, which I suppose can be beautiful or something.
Whoever invented that retarded planetary phrase should be shot though. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
On the average, women are less agressive then men. They're much less likely to just break into a punching match. Generally combat features much less punching and grabbing and more clawing and lightly bundled fist/slap hits. In my experience they tend to shy away from math based science fields (although, some of the girls in Physics class were pretty decent <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). On a linguistic class selection they tend to take French, Spanish and then German (and based on college, I'd say Russian goes before Spanish). Which is kind of strange, but makes a little sense. Generally they communicate in more descriptive language and are more willing to conceal facts based on emotion.
On the average, men tend to be agressive and tend to 'party' more (probably understand what I mean...more 'rowdy'). Fighting is common at lower maturity levels and generally builds into much more sophisticated methods for dealing with problems (depends a lot on education). Fighting consists (usually) of punching and grabbing [and in larger fights, kicking and throwing). Based on my obeservations of language class selections, they tend to order in German, Spanish, French. Generally conversations are shorter and more to the point (not necessarily much shorter though), and concealing or hiding information is generally based on logic (as in, I'll get in trouble if I tell the person).
That's not to say that gender is the only influence in these cases. Intellectual level seems to have a huge impact in how people act. Older, less educated people tend to have more bigotry and agressiveness, while people who apply themselves tend to be less violent and more understanding.
There's also enviroment and experiences. Along with countless other factors. Remember that the 2 above large paragraphs are only observations based on high school (and if you comment on "those are so stereotypical!" then I'm going to quote this sentence and make you read the Discussion forum rules...).
We all know there's going to be exceptions to any specific information linked to a gender. There are guys who are only agressive when confronted and shy otherwise; girls who are talkative until they feel vulnerable, guys who like talking and don't like violence, etc.
Since the 60's gender roles have diminished greatly and equality has seemed to speed the youth to more similarity. If you went back to the 50's you'd never mistake a girl for a guy or a guy for a girl (...yea, vice versa works, but it sounds stupid <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). Even then you'd have bully-like women and sensitive guys though, so it's just a changing trend, as far as I think.
Maybe it'll become all cyclic where we'll begin to switch gender roles every few centuries or something...meh, I speculate to much.
[edit: more spelling and grammar mistakes than a drunk 2 year old]
Is a stereotype still a stereotype if it is true? I mean okay, it is wrong to generalize and create differences which dont' really exist, but I mean if you're describing your average cube as having 6 sides and right angles, and your average sphere to being entirely round with no corners, is that a stereotype by definition?
I mean granted, men and women overlap in many many things. So much so that they are almost the same. However, there ARE differences other than physical. Does that make it wrong to stereotype? It's gotten such a negative connotation, but I mean if the difference is there, is it still a stereotyp?
That aside, we're also different because we're trained to act, think, dress, etc. differently from guys since youth. ^^ I wouldn't say it's all genetic, it's societal too. But like Gem said - it's a broad spectrum, and there are always exceptions. I guess you could go with the 'stereotypes exist because they have at least a grain of truth' school of thought, but that still doesn't make it accurate or true 100% or all the time - not even close.
UltimaGecko, Gem - great posts from both of you. Cheers. ^^