[req]halo 2 Smg

TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">For LMG.</div> Think of it; if you're a Halo fan you know that Halo 2's SMG is almost exactly the same as the NS LMG. So, I humbly request someone somewhere to make the H2 SMG for NS as I have no modelling skills myself.

<img src='http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/Gallery/Renders/smg_front.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/Gallery/Renders/smg_back.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Comments

  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    ahh such i nice gun cept the bumpmapping looks poo and its got square bullets O.o
    wot where bungie thinking !
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    The bump-mapping is overdone in this render because it's an early one and they were showing off their new bump mapped models because apparently thats a big deal on consoles. Also, the bullets are square because they are caseless.
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited September 2004
    even when they are caseless, (like the little word on the weapon says) why the rounds are tilted 45 degrees in their profile so they need more space than stacked on their flat side? how does the ammo stay in that position without tilting itself to one side and jamming the magazine? it just looks to me that they are low poly and geting oversmoothed ingame to make them look round..
    i hate bumpmapping, everything looks like made of playdo...and i hate halo 2 for its crappy designs..the first one was more original with its weapon concepts,it was the thing that made halo unique,the original designs. now they are scifictioned versions of present weapons... on the sniperrifle, a almost exact replica of the mechem NTW-20.. they just replaced the scope with a more scifi one..i call that lack of inspiration, and clear focus to fast and cheap commercialisation without much effort..the weapondesigner of halo 2 should be beaten to death with a wet towel. you can clearly see a M$ product in it.. after M$ buyed bungee, halo went down the hill, and M$ started to roll the hype promo drum for all those console kiddos. ..... and there are no nanites in halo2 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CaptainPanakaCaptainPanaka Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4718Members
    It's so true about Halo and M$.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited September 2004
    they use the bumpmapping just to save time ,that could get wasted on actually modelling the details on the guns.. its so much faster drawing a bumpmap instead of modelling. the "omg they just bumpmap to save polygons" statement is totally bull... who needs saved polygons when you have a computer that cant handle bumpmaps? those damn bumpmaps are taking more graphics memory than actual modelled geometry, and it looks like crap...
    i mean...look at it without texture and bumpmap, how much is modelled on that gun? theres nothing really amazing on it.. it looks like a pathetic attempt of a 3ds beginner,who knows theres is something called bumpmapping, its teh photoshop modelling h4x

    its M$
  • Fox_OneFox_One Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12310Members
    Wow! Go, Sheena! <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    /me finishs Sheena Shrine..... YaYZ

    they did overdo the bumpmapping a little

    Like in HL2 all the modders are making SUPER high poly stuff ...when the models arnt really that high at all probly mostly bumpmapping
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    So I guess no one will make this weapon simply because they hate M$ for saving Bungie from bankrupty. I don't like the direction they were forced in either, but hey, Halo is still one of my favorite games ever (maybe even THE favorite) and I am eagerly anticipating Halo 2.

    This model in NS would ease the pain.
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Sep 5 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Sep 5 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So I guess no one will make this weapon simply because they hate M$ for saving Bungie from bankrupty. I don't like the direction they were forced in either, but hey, Halo is still one of my favorite games ever (maybe even THE favorite) and I am eagerly anticipating Halo 2.

    This model in NS would ease the pain. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    not the hate for microsoft..just the hate for cheaply done designs, and nearly no effort in modelling...

    and M$ havent saved Bungie from bankrupty...

    M$ gorges everything that is a monney machine
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I still think this SMG is a more realistic design than some (most) of the stuff I see in anime though. It's so simple!
  • RealmerRealmer Join Date: 2004-03-12 Member: 27296Members
    wrong topic to discuss m$ in... would anyone please make this simple concept please?
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Sheena, what in the HELL are you talking about?

    Sure, it is a relatively low poly thing, and the bump mapping isn't done well- but saying that is to save time is ****. Bump mapping takes so much longer than regular modelling its not even funny. You've gotta hand-paint the entire bump map, then you gotta texture that bump map(so if there is lets say some cloth, it will have all of those jutted lines, instead of just leaving the texture to do that), then you gotta debug it and remove and redo points in the bump map, and thats just for a first version! Bump mapping a single model- let alone a whole damned game of 'em with over 1,000 models(yes, Halo 2 has over 1,000 models)- takes a minimum of 15+ hours, unless you are gonna do it REALLY badly. And thats only for average looking bump maps. The high-quality bump maps usually take 20-25 hours to complete. And don't even get me started about normal mapping(which sadly, I don't think Halo 2 has).

    Get your facts straight <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Sep 6 2004, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 6 2004, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sheena, what in the HELL are you talking about?

    Sure, it is a relatively low poly thing, and the bump mapping isn't done well- but saying that is to save time is ****. Bump mapping takes so much longer than regular modelling its not even funny. You've gotta hand-paint the entire bump map, then you gotta texture that bump map(so if there is lets say some cloth, it will have all of those jutted lines, instead of just leaving the texture to do that), then you gotta debug it and remove and redo points in the bump map, and thats just for a first version! Bump mapping a single model- let alone a whole damned game of 'em with over 1,000 models(yes, Halo 2 has over 1,000 models)- takes a minimum of 15+ hours, unless you are gonna do it REALLY badly. And thats only for average looking bump maps. The high-quality bump maps usually take 20-25 hours to complete. And don't even get me started about normal mapping(which sadly, I don't think Halo 2 has).

    Get your facts straight <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    my facts?
    ive done bumpmappings in high res renders myself, and ive switched lately to displacement mapping, because bumps suck... i know how "hard" it is.. its not harder than texturing..i do my bumpmaps in the same process as texturing on a seperate layer,(theres even a photoshop plugin to the uv mapping tool, that refreshes the modified texture on its model 3d view, so you actually can see your changes in realtime) and split them after that. if you have to mess around 20 hours for a detailless texture that is not even 2400x2400 in resolution you definitly use the wrong texturing tools and uvmapper <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    so get your facts straight
  • KaineKaine Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1096Members, Constellation
    *points at sheena*

    i'm with her.
  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    edited September 2004
    Do not taint my sheena shrine !


    [ON topic] i dont like the front of it plus it would be pretty bare without the bumpmapping but its got a nice shape
  • CaptainPanakaCaptainPanaka Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4718Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MoreThanDead+Sep 8 2004, 12:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MoreThanDead @ Sep 8 2004, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this sheena person very annoying, she never does anything for us, shes just here to complain, <b>i mean i havent seen any releases of her models yet?</b>

    Go to the discussion forum if u wish to criticise the halo2 smg.
    And you're not encouraging ANYONE to actually model it, neither do you model it.

    <b>Instead of whining like a baby over a crappy bumpmapped model for a Halo2, try modeling it better instead.</b>

    And perhaps make that guy, and alot of us aswell happy.
    Instead of ruining the thread, please?

    I really like that gun, i'd love to see it NS.



    id give it a go, but im really not in the mood for modeling, and it would probably not end up good anyway hehe.

    I really hope someone decides to model this one.

    gooood night im sleepy <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    oh oh.... you didn't see her past work, did you? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-sheena yanai+Sep 3 2004, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Sep 3 2004, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the weapondesigner of halo 2 should be beaten to death with a wet towel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *me falls out of chair from laughing*

    n1 m8 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Instead of whining like a baby over a crappy bumpmapped model for a Halo2, try modeling it better instead.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Indeed. People, less whiny-whiny more worky-worky please. I want to see who can make a version of this gun that puts Bungie to shame.
  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    sorry... did you bash sheena? do you know how respected she is... "morethandead"? or did you not notice her postcount is into big numbers
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I don't care who models it.

    I don't really like this gun for aesthetics, but the compact design with the folding foregrip and collapsible stock look pretty cool to me. Also, the magazine on the final weapon is opaque.
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