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  • wallerwaller Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28281Members
  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Members
    COMMing is hard <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    the pressure AHHH...
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Aug 31 2004, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Aug 31 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Today and tomarrow?

    <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I want to make time. I really do.

    I'll do my homework early? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'll be available for you later today if you'd like.

    Just drop by #nslearn on gamesuge and PM me.
  • Pepe_MuffassaPepe_Muffassa Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12401Members
    I would love to learn bunny hopping, but I have a problem.

    I don't like scripts at all. I won't use tripple jump scripts, and binding jump to the mouse wheel seems cumbersome.

    Is it possible to learn to bunnyhop while using my usual key configuration? (jump is mouse 2) or do I "need" a script to help me do this?
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    the script/mwheelbind is just to help your timing. no one can possibly get every single jump on time with the spacebar. well, i cant, at least. but then i have 20 fps :x
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    The thing about scripts is that people think they increase skill. Its not true. If you suck, no config can save you.

    I recommend reading this article <a href='http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm</a>

    for your belief against scripts. This article changed the way I looked at competitive games and helped me become the player I am today.
  • BergerBerger Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8945Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pepe_Muffassa+Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would love to learn bunny hopping, but I have a problem.

    I don't like scripts at all. I won't use tripple jump scripts, and binding jump to the mouse wheel seems cumbersome.

    Is it possible to learn to bunnyhop while using my usual key configuration? (jump is mouse 2) or do I "need" a script to help me do this? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Due to the HL engine physics, it is practically impossible to bunnyhop effectively without using the mwheel or a timng script. I know there was one player in Exigent who people said could do it without either ( Nadagast?), but it is extremely difficult to do, even if you have excellent ping and 100 fps. I would also definitely recommend reading that article FW posted, it's very well written and he has some very good ideas.
  • Pepe_MuffassaPepe_Muffassa Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12401Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Berger+Sep 1 2004, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Berger @ Sep 1 2004, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pepe_Muffassa+Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would love to learn bunny hopping, but I have a problem.

    I don't like scripts at all.  I won't use tripple jump scripts, and binding jump to the mouse wheel seems cumbersome.

    Is it possible to learn to bunnyhop while using my usual key configuration? (jump is mouse 2) or do I "need" a script to help me do this? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Due to the HL engine physics, it is practically impossible to bunnyhop effectively without using the mwheel or a timng script. I know there was one player in Exigent who people said could do it without either ( Nadagast?), but it is extremely difficult to do, even if you have excellent ping and 100 fps. I would also definitely recommend reading that article FW posted, it's very well written and he has some very good ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OK - I read the article, and here are my thoughts.

    I was never a big Street Fighter player, but I tried to draw analogies between SF and NS as much as I could so as to see if my "position" of being anti-script is legitimate, or if I, in an attempt to "play to win" must make a tripple jump script and use it on a regular basis in order to play with the pros.

    Here is my conclusion. Scripts are not bad. heck, even WASD is a script. What is bad is this: using a script to enable a person to do a move that is otherwise near impossible. Now, I'm not debating that there isn't an element of skill involved in bunny hopping. There is. However, if the script for jump as determined in the "setup" of the game is 1 jump, and in order to bunny hop a person needs 3 perfect jumps, then said bunny hopper should become skillful enough to time those three jumps together.

    Now, I know that because of this view I will probably be labled a scrub, but I will liken it to marvel v. capcom. They touched on a move that you can do with Iceman, which involved stopping a special move, slowing down with another move, and starting the special again to get more "hits" on the opponent. I liken bunny hopping to "scripting" all of that into only needing to press 1 punch button with some joystick movements.

    The other argument is that "everyone can script if they want to"... YES, they can. But why should I as a player of the game have to use a timing script in order to loose my scrub status? Why should I have to rely on a script to help me with my timing because it is "practically impossible" to do it without?

    So there it is, I am not a scripter. Do I condemn those that are? - no. But every time you bunny hop, realize it is not you doing it, it is a script.
  • SoberanaSoberana Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17695Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Berger+Sep 1 2004, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Berger @ Sep 1 2004, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pepe_Muffassa+Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would love to learn bunny hopping, but I have a problem.

    I don't like scripts at all.  I won't use tripple jump scripts, and binding jump to the mouse wheel seems cumbersome.

    Is it possible to learn to bunnyhop while using my usual key configuration? (jump is mouse 2) or do I "need" a script to help me do this? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Due to the HL engine physics, it is practically impossible to bunnyhop effectively without using the mwheel or a timng script. I know there was one player in Exigent who people said could do it without either ( Nadagast?), but it is extremely difficult to do, even if you have excellent ping and 100 fps. I would also definitely recommend reading that article FW posted, it's very well written and he has some very good ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hey berger I can bhop just fine, I use my ctrl key for +jump and spacebar for crouch.

    I gotta admit sometimes my timing is off and I can't start it. Its just a skill I gladly learned, and damn it took time.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pepe_Muffassa+Sep 2 2004, 05:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Sep 2 2004, 05:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Berger+Sep 1 2004, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Berger @ Sep 1 2004, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pepe_Muffassa+Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Sep 1 2004, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would love to learn bunny hopping, but I have a problem.

    I don't like scripts at all.  I won't use tripple jump scripts, and binding jump to the mouse wheel seems cumbersome.

    Is it possible to learn to bunnyhop while using my usual key configuration? (jump is mouse 2) or do I "need" a script to help me do this? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Due to the HL engine physics, it is practically impossible to bunnyhop effectively without using the mwheel or a timng script. I know there was one player in Exigent who people said could do it without either ( Nadagast?), but it is extremely difficult to do, even if you have excellent ping and 100 fps. I would also definitely recommend reading that article FW posted, it's very well written and he has some very good ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OK - I read the article, and here are my thoughts.

    I was never a big Street Fighter player, but I tried to draw analogies between SF and NS as much as I could so as to see if my "position" of being anti-script is legitimate, or if I, in an attempt to "play to win" must make a tripple jump script and use it on a regular basis in order to play with the pros.

    Here is my conclusion. Scripts are not bad. heck, even WASD is a script. What is bad is this: using a script to enable a person to do a move that is otherwise near impossible. Now, I'm not debating that there isn't an element of skill involved in bunny hopping. There is. However, if the script for jump as determined in the "setup" of the game is 1 jump, and in order to bunny hop a person needs 3 perfect jumps, then said bunny hopper should become skillful enough to time those three jumps together.

    Now, I know that because of this view I will probably be labled a scrub, but I will liken it to marvel v. capcom. They touched on a move that you can do with Iceman, which involved stopping a special move, slowing down with another move, and starting the special again to get more "hits" on the opponent. I liken bunny hopping to "scripting" all of that into only needing to press 1 punch button with some joystick movements.

    The other argument is that "everyone can script if they want to"... YES, they can. But why should I as a player of the game have to use a timing script in order to loose my scrub status? Why should I have to rely on a script to help me with my timing because it is "practically impossible" to do it without?

    So there it is, I am not a scripter. Do I condemn those that are? - no. But every time you bunny hop, realize it is not you doing it, it is a script. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The 3 jump script is defunct, and probably just plain not as good as its sister, the "Binding Jump to Mwheel"- really, their both just their so you can spam jump, thus ensuring(Hopefully) your chances of bhopping correctly. Oddly, a non-script is MUCH more effective at bunnyhopping than a script(at least for those new to it).

    BTW, even if you don't like these guys, but want help, just get it. I didn't like **** much before, but now I think he just plain rocks.(have known him quite a while...what, like 18 months? 21?)
  • WitherWither A Bugged Life Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11513Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Soberana+Sep 2 2004, 06:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Sep 2 2004, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey berger I can bhop just fine, I use my ctrl key for +jump and spacebar for crouch.

    I gotta admit sometimes my timing is off and I can't start it. Its just a skill I gladly learned, and damn it took time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hacks :>
  • RadagastRadagast Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17776Members, Constellation
    CaM/PLAY is the australian represent, and its a good thing he is too because he has been around for a long time and he can teach alot of new players a thing or too. GJ Cam <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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