<!--QuoteBegin-BathroomMonkey+Aug 26 2004, 01:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Aug 26 2004, 01:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for helping me prove my points nicely EEK, you gave me plenty of songs which have become dated (through the use of non-universal themes and using names) vs. songs which can relate to their time as well as future times, which exactly is what Alice likes, as opposed to the crap that the "Rock against Bush" crap isn't about. The songs which are basically ad hominem become dated real fast, lost popularity, and eventually will find themselves irrlevant. Treason, by Alice's own terms, are about abusing the medium of Rock (or, more broadly, music) to suit a shallow agenda or cause. These songs with shallow agendas show, because once they are dated they lose popularity, and with reason: No one wants to listen to old crap.
Versus the old crap which actually remains relevant to today: Classics.
So all Alice is doing is proclaiming the obvious: The "Rock against Bush" tour is trash, or at least will be, as he's seen in his extensive music career. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Forlorn, I believe you're a little bit confused here.
'Rock against Bush' is a cd compilation launched by modern punk rock groups on the Fat Wreck Chords label. Read all about it <a href='http://www.fatwreck.com/junk/rab.html' target='_blank'>here.</a>
This features 17 unreleased songs, which may or may not be specifically about Bush-- I wouldn't know, because it's completely irrelevant to the article you posted, so I didn't pursue that lead any further.
The concert Alice Cooper <b>is</b> whining about is the <a href='http://www.moveonpac.org/vfc/' target='_blank'>'Vote For Change'</a> tour.
As it says (from the article you posted): <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[Cooper] was disgusted when he learned of plans by Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, R.E.M. and other bands to hold a series of concerts aimed at unseating U.S. President George W. Bush.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And lo and behold, artists on <i>this</i> bill (as opposed to <i>that</i> compilation, which doesn't hold a single artist in common) are: Pearl Jam <b>Bruce Springsteen</b> <b>R.E.M.</b> Dave Matthews Band Jurassic 5 Dixie Chicks Death Cab for Cutie James Taylor Ben Harper My Morning Jacket Jackson Browne Bonnie Raitt John Fogerty Keb' Mo' Bright Eyes <b>John Mellencamp</b> Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds
(Emphasis mine, for the article's sake)
As far as I know, the artists are going to be playing their standard, original fare-- I haven't heard any specifically composed 'I hate George Bush' songs, though if you'd like to correct me, just post a link or mp3. Do you want me to do the math, and tell you how many songs these people can string together without one mention of George W. Bush in their lyrics? Remember, if they don't, they pass the Alice Cooper test, where you're <b>allowed</b> to be political <i>outside of the actual music you play</i>. If you play a song that isn't about Bush, and then <i>when it's over</i> say, "I like John Kerry!", you're playing by the Cooper rules!
I mean, heck, if Alice Cooper is allowed to use his celebrity--not his music-- to support Bush, why can't these people do the same for Kerry? Again, as long as it's not <i>in</i> his music, Cooper seems to have no problem using the fame said tunes have allowed him as his own little soapbox.
And much as I liked Alice Cooper growing up (he once hosted the Muppet Show, after all), the reverence you show his musical experience is a bit much . . . if you want to talk about lack of relevance, the guy has become a novelty act. Influential to musicians who grew up in his heydey, yes, but his songs are hardly timeless themselves. Two of my friends-- who love him, by the way-- went to one of his recent concerts in Cape Cod at the Melody Tent as-- and I quote-- 'a joke'.
Here's a picture of the venue, by the way: <img src='http://www.melodytent.org/2004/sectiona.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Yes, it is <i>actually</i> a tent. My high school wrestling team had better digs.
And bear in mind, this is the same venue Huey Lewis and the News played at a year ago. I'm guessing Menudo will be there this fall. You'd think a guy who knows the secret to crafting utterly timeless music would be able to fill more seats, even in his old age. Must be a anomaly.
However, there's an anti-concert for change in the works, so fret not. I can't find any info online yet (I heard about it on the radio) but I recall Ted Nugent, Charlie Daniels, and Toby Keith being the rumored headliners. I mean, I know meaningless, dated songs like 'Ohio' are a bit passé, so get ready to bask in some timeless, soul-shattering, life-changing classics like 'Cat Scratch Fever'!
Edit: Lest you think I'm being mean, here's a <a href='http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=crap' target='_blank'>peace offering</a>. Just so you can have a bit more variety next time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just assumed that the artists would play improv's of their existing songs with anti-bush stuff. Otherwise, their concert would be just like any other concert except it has... a title on it.
And why procraim your concert is anti-bush if you aren't going to show anything even remotely anti-bush... they'd just be hurting their sales because they are effectively turning off any pro-bush listeners they have. So I would assume that something about their songs WILL be different.
Go listen to any great music artists between their live versions and recorded ones, the live versions are almost ALWAYS different and improv'ed, Led Zeppelin comes to mind.
Dazed and Confused (recorded version) - 6:26 Dazed and Confused (live version) - 25:25
That's all improv right there, so yeah, I'm assuming there will be changes in both the how the instruments are played as well as how the lyrics are sung.
Of course, I could be wrong, and everything Alice said would be irrelevent and make no sense. But I really doubt they are just gonna play their normal versions of their songs a concert specifcially aimed with a political purpose. I <b>highly</b> doubt it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So your whole point is "I don't listen to these songs, therefore no one does"? Rock and Roll was INVENTED in the 60's by the Rolling Stones, now you're saying that Alice Cooper can 'set his own rules' for what rock and roll can be about? Sorry, a lot of these songs are old classics, and they have political agendas. You haven't actually proven ANYTHING besides "I don't like these songs". These are the songs that SHAPED rock, and you're saying it didn't? Who the **** is going to listen to Alice Cooper in 40 years? You? And that makes him right?
So you don't consider 'Respect' dated, despite the fact that it was a WOMEN'S LIB MOVEMENT? I specifically chose old songs that had a political agenda, and I can't see how you consider 'We didn't start the fire' dated, but not Respect, especially when one was written nearly two dozen years after the other...
You know, for 'dead songs', it's pretty surprising how almost everyone knows almost all of those I listed. War? Respect? We Didn't Start The Fire? Imagine? I'll go down my hall and find out how many people know those songs tomorrow, we'll see how 'dead' these songs are.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Haha EEK, what are you ranting about now?
Next, I don't consider 'Respect' dated because there are still <b>plenty</b> of women activists today.
And go back up to my post, and the ones I list as dated - Go ask people about THOSE songs, not the ones I said were not dated. See how many people know them.
Go ask them about these dated songs:
Midnight Oil's song
Buffalo and Crosby's songs
Contry Joe song
Go ask them about these songs specifically. The ones I said that weren't dated are classics. The ones that are dated - aren't.
And billy Joel's song... I was wrong about that song, it's not quite dated yet as we are still suffering from problems started in the 50's, but sooner or later it's gonna get dated. But because it lists an entire decade... it will probably stay a classic for a long time.
<!--QuoteBegin-Handman+Aug 26 2004, 02:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Handman @ Aug 26 2004, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you want me to do the math, and tell you how many songs these people can string together without one mention of George W. Bush in their lyrics? Remember, if they don't, they pass the Alice Cooper test, where you're allowed to be political outside of the actual music you play. If you play a song that isn't about Bush, and then when it's over say, "I like John Kerry!", you're playing by the Cooper rules! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually if you RTFA, Alice Cooper says "To me, that's treason. I call it treason against rock 'n' roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics". The article earlier explianed that Cooper was made about the concerts. In other words the musicians preaching the the public.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> mean, heck, if Alice Cooper is allowed to use his celebrity--not his music-- to support Bush, why can't these people do the same for Kerry? Again, as long as it's not in his music, Cooper seems to have no problem using the fame said tunes have allowed him as his own little soapbox. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When has Alice Cooper used his celebrity to promote Bush? Certianly not in this article. The author stated Coopers political leanings to discredit Cooper.
I have never heard Cooper endorse any politician, nor do I recall any of his songs being political in nature. I have never been to a concert of his, so I cannot say if he is politcal at his shows. Can someone please explaine how making these comments makes him a hypocrit? Or are you just slinging mud because his views do not agree with yours? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> From the Freeper forums, of all places: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Alice is absolutely Conservative. He's now hosting a nightly classic rock show called "Nights with Alice Coooper" from 7 til midnight that is syndicated on a dozen or so stations. He's really pretty funny and mixes conservative humor into the show. For example, he loves making fun of how fat Michael Moore is, comes up with interesting punishments for him, and makes sarcastic jokes about Clinton. Catch him if you can, it's now quite like Sean Hannity spinning Foreigner records, but close... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's also toured quite a bit with Ted Nugent, who is one of the most politically outspoken musicians in this country (also slated to do a pro-Bush tour to offset the anti-Bush tour).
Personally, I really don't care what his views are-- he's more than welcome to them. But if he can stand the 'Nug, I'd think he could stand anything.
Besides, who is Alice Cooper to say that a musician should be, and what rock should be?
He listened to rock for a reason, he wrote rock for a reason. <b>His</b> reasons. We're all entitled to do the same.
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This concert will probably be just like ANYOTHER Benefit concert, aka a bunch of famous people play their famous songs with periodic talking aobut sometihng or other. The funds will probably go to Anti bush campaigns.
need I remind you about stuff Like Band-Aid? A concert that is designed to raise awarnes (simply by having the title, and lots of big name people) and $$ for, I THINK, disaster victimes (don't remember what band aid is for atm)
They do this with comedians also.
I doubt that they will mix in 'bush is teh sux' with their songs. And for the difference between the 6 min and the 25 min? Well, generaly thats nonlyrical changes, instead it is instrumental.
And if this Nights with cooper thing is real, then he is a compleate hipocryt (instead of the idiot I was taking him for).
Alot of political inspired music is very good (U2, sunday, bloody sunday any one?). And some of it sucks balls (personaly I hate RAtM)
<!--QuoteBegin-coil+Aug 25 2004, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Aug 25 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What amuses me about this is that the music industry is so inseparably part of The Man that claiming it's still anti-establishment is like calling yourself a vegetarian between bites of a Big Mac. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That is the definition of limosine liberal IIRC. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I don't know if there is an equivalent term for conservatives but there should be.
I don't care what party/faction/group you belong to. If you make more than $500k/year and 80% of that isn't being used to help people out, then you DON'T/CAN'T feel my pain.
(However I don't believe that you should have to give 80%. That is your money, you earned it.)
Though I'd like to expound on it more, I'm at work and a little behind so I'll just say this: Sure, an artist can 'improvise' their lyrics (though I agree that 99.9% of the time, the improvisation is instrumental) but that wouldn't be nearly as effective or powerful as, say, John Fogerty singing something like 'Fortunate Son' as it was written.
what? since when is music not allowed to be political? let me ask - should art not be political? how about writing?
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"Rock should never be in bed with politics." That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard since "Dude, where's my car?"
Music is an art form just like any else. If he suggests that rock should not be involved with politics, or current issues, then he is an idiot and a terrible musician.
What are non-political songs about? "I like carrots?" No, music is always about something, be it losing a girlfriend, or my interesting life. That's thought and emotion on one subject; why not thought and emotion about a different subject, politics?
Obviously he's never heard of books like... umm, 1984, or Catch-22; or any visual art with political meaning (too many to name). It comes down to this: <b>music is a form of expression, just like speech.</b> If you can speak against Bush, you can definitely make music against Bush.
The problem I have with most "musical artists" is that they are less informed than most of us are. They go out and make great speeches, write influential songs, and they simply don't know what they are talking about. Just like in Vietnam, the protest songs of today have little to no actual substance to them.
Real punk used to mean something, supposedly pure political freedom, but the anarchist messages throughout the music simply translated to "I'm angry, ignorant, and can only play two power chords on my guitar."
In my opinion, this is record companies KNOWING that the artists spouting out angry anti-Bush rhetoric will sell more albums. The RIAA gives to both sides, as is with all companies, and they don't care all that much if it is Kerry or Bush elected. If some ignorant 15-21 year old kid listens to the new Green Day song (some poorly produced song bashing the "Redneck Agenda") and decides that he's going to support "the cause" and buy that CD, the record company just makes more money.
I think that may be part of Cooper's point. Music in America is mostly fake. The artists on this tour are mostly mainstream artists with lyrics so thin that they rip like paper, so they're hopping onto the tour to make them look like they mean something, when it is all just a fad to begin with. Yep, being political is a fad. It's boring, it's plain, and it's unoriginal, at best. Even the more classic artist tour hints of this quick and easy way to boost record sales.
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Versus the old crap which actually remains relevant to today: Classics.
So all Alice is doing is proclaiming the obvious: The "Rock against Bush" tour is trash, or at least will be, as he's seen in his extensive music career. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Forlorn, I believe you're a little bit confused here.
'Rock against Bush' is a cd compilation launched by modern punk rock groups on the Fat Wreck Chords label. Read all about it <a href='http://www.fatwreck.com/junk/rab.html' target='_blank'>here.</a>
This features 17 unreleased songs, which may or may not be specifically about Bush-- I wouldn't know, because it's completely irrelevant to the article you posted, so I didn't pursue that lead any further.
The concert Alice Cooper <b>is</b> whining about is the <a href='http://www.moveonpac.org/vfc/' target='_blank'>'Vote For Change'</a> tour.
As it says (from the article you posted):
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[Cooper] was disgusted when he learned of plans by Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, R.E.M. and other bands to hold a series of concerts aimed at unseating U.S. President George W. Bush.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And lo and behold, artists on <i>this</i> bill (as opposed to <i>that</i> compilation, which doesn't hold a single artist in common) are:
Pearl Jam
<b>Bruce Springsteen</b>
<b>R.E.M.</b>
Dave Matthews Band
Jurassic 5
Dixie Chicks
Death Cab for Cutie
James Taylor
Ben Harper
My Morning Jacket
Jackson Browne
Bonnie Raitt
John Fogerty
Keb' Mo'
Bright Eyes
<b>John Mellencamp</b>
Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds
(Emphasis mine, for the article's sake)
As far as I know, the artists are going to be playing their standard, original fare-- I haven't heard any specifically composed 'I hate George Bush' songs, though if you'd like to correct me, just post a link or mp3. Do you want me to do the math, and tell you how many songs these people can string together without one mention of George W. Bush in their lyrics? Remember, if they don't, they pass the Alice Cooper test, where you're <b>allowed</b> to be political <i>outside of the actual music you play</i>. If you play a song that isn't about Bush, and then <i>when it's over</i> say, "I like John Kerry!", you're playing by the Cooper rules!
I mean, heck, if Alice Cooper is allowed to use his celebrity--not his music-- to support Bush, why can't these people do the same for Kerry? Again, as long as it's not <i>in</i> his music, Cooper seems to have no problem using the fame said tunes have allowed him as his own little soapbox.
And much as I liked Alice Cooper growing up (he once hosted the Muppet Show, after all), the reverence you show his musical experience is a bit much . . . if you want to talk about lack of relevance, the guy has become a novelty act. Influential to musicians who grew up in his heydey, yes, but his songs are hardly timeless themselves. Two of my friends-- who love him, by the way-- went to one of his recent concerts in Cape Cod at the Melody Tent as-- and I quote-- 'a joke'.
Here's a picture of the venue, by the way:
<img src='http://www.melodytent.org/2004/sectiona.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Yes, it is <i>actually</i> a tent. My high school wrestling team had better digs.
And bear in mind, this is the same venue Huey Lewis and the News played at a year ago. I'm guessing Menudo will be there this fall. You'd think a guy who knows the secret to crafting utterly timeless music would be able to fill more seats, even in his old age. Must be a anomaly.
However, there's an anti-concert for change in the works, so fret not. I can't find any info online yet (I heard about it on the radio) but I recall Ted Nugent, Charlie Daniels, and Toby Keith being the rumored headliners. I mean, I know meaningless, dated songs like 'Ohio' are a bit passé, so get ready to bask in some timeless, soul-shattering, life-changing classics like 'Cat Scratch Fever'!
Edit: Lest you think I'm being mean, here's a <a href='http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=crap' target='_blank'>peace offering</a>. Just so you can have a bit more variety next time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just assumed that the artists would play improv's of their existing songs with anti-bush stuff. Otherwise, their concert would be just like any other concert except it has... a title on it.
And why procraim your concert is anti-bush if you aren't going to show anything even remotely anti-bush... they'd just be hurting their sales because they are effectively turning off any pro-bush listeners they have. So I would assume that something about their songs WILL be different.
Go listen to any great music artists between their live versions and recorded ones, the live versions are almost ALWAYS different and improv'ed, Led Zeppelin comes to mind.
Dazed and Confused (recorded version) - 6:26
Dazed and Confused (live version) - 25:25
That's all improv right there, so yeah, I'm assuming there will be changes in both the how the instruments are played as well as how the lyrics are sung.
Of course, I could be wrong, and everything Alice said would be irrelevent and make no sense. But I really doubt they are just gonna play their normal versions of their songs a concert specifcially aimed with a political purpose. I <b>highly</b> doubt it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So your whole point is "I don't listen to these songs, therefore no one does"? Rock and Roll was INVENTED in the 60's by the Rolling Stones, now you're saying that Alice Cooper can 'set his own rules' for what rock and roll can be about? Sorry, a lot of these songs are old classics, and they have political agendas. You haven't actually proven ANYTHING besides "I don't like these songs". These are the songs that SHAPED rock, and you're saying it didn't? Who the **** is going to listen to Alice Cooper in 40 years? You? And that makes him right?
So you don't consider 'Respect' dated, despite the fact that it was a WOMEN'S LIB MOVEMENT? I specifically chose old songs that had a political agenda, and I can't see how you consider 'We didn't start the fire' dated, but not Respect, especially when one was written nearly two dozen years after the other...
You know, for 'dead songs', it's pretty surprising how almost everyone knows almost all of those I listed. War? Respect? We Didn't Start The Fire? Imagine? I'll go down my hall and find out how many people know those songs tomorrow, we'll see how 'dead' these songs are.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Haha EEK, what are you ranting about now?
Next, I don't consider 'Respect' dated because there are still <b>plenty</b> of women activists today.
And go back up to my post, and the ones I list as dated - Go ask people about THOSE songs, not the ones I said were not dated. See how many people know them.
Go ask them about these dated songs:
Midnight Oil's song
Buffalo and Crosby's songs
Contry Joe song
Go ask them about these songs specifically. The ones I said that weren't dated are classics. The ones that are dated - aren't.
And billy Joel's song... I was wrong about that song, it's not quite dated yet as we are still suffering from problems started in the 50's, but sooner or later it's gonna get dated. But because it lists an entire decade... it will probably stay a classic for a long time.
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Actually if you RTFA, Alice Cooper says "To me, that's treason. I call it treason against rock 'n' roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics". The article earlier explianed that Cooper was made about the concerts. In other words the musicians preaching the the public.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> mean, heck, if Alice Cooper is allowed to use his celebrity--not his music-- to support Bush, why can't these people do the same for Kerry? Again, as long as it's not in his music, Cooper seems to have no problem using the fame said tunes have allowed him as his own little soapbox.
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When has Alice Cooper used his celebrity to promote Bush? Certianly not in this article. The author stated Coopers political leanings to discredit Cooper.
I have never heard Cooper endorse any politician, nor do I recall any of his songs being political in nature. I have never been to a concert of his, so I cannot say if he is politcal at his shows. Can someone please explaine how making these comments makes him a hypocrit? Or are you just slinging mud because his views do not agree with yours? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
From the Freeper forums, of all places:
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Alice is absolutely Conservative. He's now hosting a nightly classic rock show called "Nights with Alice Coooper" from 7 til midnight that is syndicated on a dozen or so stations. He's really pretty funny and mixes conservative humor into the show. For example, he loves making fun of how fat Michael Moore is, comes up with interesting punishments for him, and makes sarcastic jokes about Clinton. Catch him if you can, it's now quite like Sean Hannity spinning Foreigner records, but close...
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He's also toured quite a bit with Ted Nugent, who is one of the most politically outspoken musicians in this country (also slated to do a pro-Bush tour to offset the anti-Bush tour).
Personally, I really don't care what his views are-- he's more than welcome to them. But if he can stand the 'Nug, I'd think he could stand anything.
Besides, who is Alice Cooper to say that a musician should be, and what rock should be?
He listened to rock for a reason, he wrote rock for a reason. <b>His</b> reasons. We're all entitled to do the same.
need I remind you about stuff Like Band-Aid? A concert that is designed to raise awarnes (simply by having the title, and lots of big name people) and $$ for, I THINK, disaster victimes (don't remember what band aid is for atm)
They do this with comedians also.
I doubt that they will mix in 'bush is teh sux' with their songs. And for the difference between the 6 min and the 25 min? Well, generaly thats nonlyrical changes, instead it is instrumental.
And if this Nights with cooper thing is real, then he is a compleate hipocryt (instead of the idiot I was taking him for).
Alot of political inspired music is very good (U2, sunday, bloody sunday any one?).
And some of it sucks balls (personaly I hate RAtM)
That is the definition of limosine liberal IIRC. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't know if there is an equivalent term for conservatives but there should be.
I don't care what party/faction/group you belong to. If you make more than $500k/year and 80% of that isn't being used to help people out, then you DON'T/CAN'T feel my pain.
(However I don't believe that you should have to give 80%. That is your money, you earned it.)
Timeless.
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"Rock should never be in bed with politics." That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard since "Dude, where's my car?"
Music is an art form just like any else. If he suggests that rock should not be involved with politics, or current issues, then he is an idiot and a terrible musician.
What are non-political songs about? "I like carrots?" No, music is always about something, be it losing a girlfriend, or my interesting life. That's thought and emotion on one subject; why not thought and emotion about a different subject, politics?
Obviously he's never heard of books like... umm, 1984, or Catch-22; or any visual art with political meaning (too many to name). It comes down to this: <b>music is a form of expression, just like speech.</b> If you can speak against Bush, you can definitely make music against Bush.
btw, the quality of the music is not the issue.
Real punk used to mean something, supposedly pure political freedom, but the anarchist messages throughout the music simply translated to "I'm angry, ignorant, and can only play two power chords on my guitar."
In my opinion, this is record companies KNOWING that the artists spouting out angry anti-Bush rhetoric will sell more albums. The RIAA gives to both sides, as is with all companies, and they don't care all that much if it is Kerry or Bush elected. If some ignorant 15-21 year old kid listens to the new Green Day song (some poorly produced song bashing the "Redneck Agenda") and decides that he's going to support "the cause" and buy that CD, the record company just makes more money.
I think that may be part of Cooper's point. Music in America is mostly fake. The artists on this tour are mostly mainstream artists with lyrics so thin that they rip like paper, so they're hopping onto the tour to make them look like they mean something, when it is all just a fad to begin with. Yep, being political is a fad. It's boring, it's plain, and it's unoriginal, at best. Even the more classic artist tour hints of this quick and easy way to boost record sales.
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Rock and Roll was invented in the 1950's with the burst of Elvis onto the scene, taking black music and putting his own spin on it, not in the 1960's. The foundations of rock go back to Jazz/R & B.